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CFox posted:No need for gun ownership to be the thing that prevents someone from voting for more progressive policies. That someone sounds like a real piece of poo poo though
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CFox posted:I don't think you really care to have me naming personal acquaintances but obviously gun ownership isn't a purely left or right issue. https://socialistra.org/ yes people on both the right and left care about gun control (and even might want similar policies), but that's not the same as showing there's a group of voters fro whom gun control is the determinative issue and that their vote would change if democrats no longer pursued gun control policies
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Apr 26, 2021 15:42
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zoux posted:No one is worse at MAGA triangulation than Marco Rubio The greatest threat to the fabric of America is...opinions.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:43
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Didn’t Al Gore lose 2000 (Florida aside) because he couldn’t carry Tennessee in large part due to his gun control stance?
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Apr 26, 2021 15:44
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davecrazy posted:Didn’t Al Gore lose 2000 (Florida aside) because he couldn’t carry Tennessee in large part due to his gun control stance? That's what the DNC determined after their investigation of why Gore lost, but it's hard to put something as big as an election loss down to a single policy issue. Also, that logic partially depends on crossover or "undecided" voters, a category that doesn't exist now in the same way it was believed to exist at the end of the twentieth century.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:50
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Tennessee had also been swinging rightward like all the other deep south states as Dixiecrats left the Democratic party. By 2000, both Senators, all but 3 house reps, and the Governor were all Republicans. It wasn't really a Gore-specific or gun control exclusive problem.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:53
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One of my uncles is an apolitical rural moderate with a ton of outdoor hobbies including hunting and sport shooting, and I'm pretty sure the only reason he votes R is because of the gun control debate. I don't think these people are particularly common, since the greater urban/rural divide is usually much bigger than just guns.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:53
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They aren't as prominent as single issue abortion voters or anything, but I've seen people say on these very boards that they' don't vote D based on gun control. This was some years ago but I assume that those people still exist out there, and there sure seem to be a lot of people for whom gun stuff is the only thing they think about. https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1386666171903135747 Imagine the CEOs of America quaking as they fear meeting the same fate as toxic polluters under the Rubio-led Florida statehouse.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:54
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It's about whether they will or won't bother to show up to vote, not who they choose to vote for.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:54
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zoux posted:Imagine the CEOs of America quaking as they fear meeting the same fate as toxic polluters under the Rubio-led Florida statehouse. How many publications have to reject you before your op-ed ends up in the NY Post? 
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Apr 26, 2021 16:02
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Smeef posted:How many publications have to reject you before your op-ed ends up in the NY Post? Oh I'm sure they solicited it.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:02
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Skippy McPants posted:I don't think anyone is laying the blame at Grossman's feet, hell we're talking about Surviving Edged Weapons as well and that came out decades ago so this ain't a new problem. Grossman is just one exceptionally lovely rear end in a top hat who really needs to go. Grossman took that kinda of insane poo poo and elevated it to an art. He is responsible for the “sheepdog” bullshit. zoux posted:No one is worse at MAGA triangulation than Marco Rubio There is so many layers of bullshit. I just like that he hates corpos because they want expand their markets beyond chud boomers. Meanwhile Rubio and friends gut environmental protections and poo poo.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:04
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Grossman took that kinda of insane poo poo and elevated it to an art. He is responsible for the “sheepdog” bullshit. Younger members of the GOP are probably going to lash out more and more about stuff like this in the future as they figure out their generational peers loving hate them and corporations want to make the bigger group happy so they make money. Losing battle for him.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:07
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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1386685340522536961 And why do you think that might be congressman? https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1386686314821660673 Oh that's right. (Also lol at Erdogan thinking he can get us to reckon with our own misdeeds. Buddy, we have a whole media industry based around non-reckoning)
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Apr 26, 2021 16:08
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's about whether they will or won't bother to show up to vote, not who they choose to vote for. 100 percent this
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Apr 26, 2021 16:10
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The weirdest part about Grossman and On Killing to me, I've done martial arts for decades and I read On Killing in college and biased through my worldview I took it almost as an optimistic take on humanity in that we're all pretty averse to hurting others. I haven't looked at it in years but other than the closing chapter trying to link video games to violence it didn't seem that crazy at all. It was a shock years later to find out he seems to view the fact that humans don't like to hurt other humans as a negative rather than a positive. Which is all moot anyways since I think a lot of his underlying evidence and studies he relied on for his conclusion have been debunked or called into question Also watched Surviving Edged Weapons unironically which is where the 21 foot rule comes from which is also very dubious but has Dan Inosanto showing he could probably carve up cops left and right which is pretty fun.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:10
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1386685340522536961 Wait, that's Santorum, of the cum/lube/poop fame? And he's employed by CNN now? 
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Apr 26, 2021 16:15
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait, that's Santorum, of the cum/lube/poop fame? And he's employed by CNN now? For some time now. https://twitter.com/RepDougCollins/status/1386681974178394113 Wow, I'd be really happy about this if I wasn't positive he's going to be replaced by someone somehow logarithmically worse than he is.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:16
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait, that's Santorum, of the cum/lube/poop fame? And he's employed by CNN now? CNN loves hiring hard-right wing GOP'ers that have no other future.
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Cru Jones posted:The weirdest part about Grossman and On Killing to me, I've done martial arts for decades and I read On Killing in college and biased through my worldview I took it almost as an optimistic take on humanity in that we're all pretty averse to hurting others. Yeah, when I read grossman in high school, I assumed he was was some vet who saw way too much poo poo in Vietnam, so he was super aggressive against media violence. Guess I was super loving wrong. He just hates it because he think Doom is a rival to his bullshit. Now he thinks video games teach isis and cartels. Thom12255 posted:Younger members of the GOP are probably going to lash out more and more about stuff like this in the future as they figure out their generational peers loving hate them and corporations want to make the bigger group happy so they make money. Losing battle for him.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:18
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1386685340522536961 this is flatly historically incorrect, but also there's been nearly 250 years of cultural change since the american revolution relative to the time, from the point of first contact of english (ignoring other europeans kicking around) and north americans, to the time of the revolution, was a century and a half of varied conflict and cooperation. as europeans go, the english were relatively standoffish and culturally isolated, and even then there was a lot of cultural mixing, especially on the frontier jeez, even the historically weird and caricatured account of the first Thanksgiving was about how a european-style harvest feast had to be backstopped by local north american indians who couldn't just let the starving europeans die off from their own ignorance
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Apr 26, 2021 16:20
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1386685340522536961 Jokes on Erdogan because I was taught about the trail of tears in elementary and middle school so Im pretty sure we already recognized the native american genocide
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Apr 26, 2021 16:24
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OctaMurk posted:Jokes on Erdogan because I was taught about the trail of tears in elementary and middle school so Im pretty sure we already recognized the native american genocide Same to some extent.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:26
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zoux posted:They aren't as prominent as single issue abortion voters or anything, but I've seen people say on these very boards that they' don't vote D based on gun control. This was some years ago but I assume that those people still exist out there, and there sure seem to be a lot of people for whom gun stuff is the only thing they think about. Regardless of how many people there are who would vote D if not for guns, there are absolutely more people who would not vote at all if guns weren't a partisan issue. And it was a really proven strategy of the right to do the: 1. Get a politically unengaged gun owner involved with "gun hobbyists." Hanging out at the range, NRA hunting magazine, you name it. 2. Get them upset about some law/proposal clearly written by someone with no knowledge of how guns/gun crime works, and which will have personal impact on their life. Yes, even if it's just how convenient their hobby is. 3. Convince them to turn out to vote against whoever supported that. 4. Start working in how those liberals are doing a lot of stuff like that, you know, it's not JUST guns... 5. Continue to engage their hobbies and interests increasingly interspersing far right, white nationalist talking points. A lot of this is only possible because it's been such a Democratic thing to, not talk about gun laws specifically, but to specifically focus on the most dumbass proposals designed purely to speak to liberal fears rather than actually reduce violence, and which were written by people who don't know how guns or gun crime work but are armed with "common sense" and a working knowledge of action thrillers. There was also no serious push to recognize or reach out to such voters that I can think of. Unfortunately a lot of the damage is done. The right time to speak to the issue would have been 20 years ago a whole lot of non-voters and inconstant voters got hooked on that gateway drug. So now I grant a lot of people who started as single-issue on guns are just wrapped more tightly into the right. And like most single-issue voters they were always idiot. Doesn't change what a massive self-own it's been though.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:27
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Has the treatment of Native Americans been officially recognised by the US as genocide in a legal sense? What would it actually mean if it were?
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Agents are GO! posted:This video is also worth a watch:  I had no idea that Grossman was a born again Christian loon, which in hindsight seems loving obvious, but to combine prosperity gospel with cops shooting civilians as "GOD WARRIORS", that...that is a special kind of loving twisted evil poo poo. ...bravo to him for outdoing the Biblical Satan in corruption I guess 
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Apr 26, 2021 16:29
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Same to some extent. If you went to a school that wasn't terrible you probably became aware that we treated the natives very poorly but "genocide" is a big symbolic word and mental leap that most people don't make
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Apr 26, 2021 16:31
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Since it's pretty clear that 30-40 percent of U.S. adults are idiot babies lashing out at everything, is there some financial incentive that could plausibly be applied to getting covid vaccination? Like you miss out on a thousand dollar tax break or 200 dollar stimulus if you don't get jabbed?
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Apr 26, 2021 16:33
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Gort posted:Has the treatment of Native Americans been officially recognised by the US as genocide in a legal sense? What would it actually mean if it were? no, the fate of the native peoples of north america is too complicated to fit under the definition of 'genocide' as we use it. unquestionably murderous and a crime against humanity for sure, but the charges wouldn't stick fwiw obama did this in 2010 https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/14/text
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Apr 26, 2021 16:34
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Gort posted:Has the treatment of Native Americans been officially recognised by the US as genocide in a legal sense? What would it actually mean if it were? Nothing happens if Turkey legally recognizes it as a genocide. Many states in the U.S. have officially declared it a genocide, but the U.S. government has not. It has listed out specific crimes like rape, murder, forced relocation, etc. in official apologies in the 30's, 70's, and 2000's. But, it has never officially labelled it a genocide. There is no legal consequence if the U.S. government were to label it a genocide and even less than no legal ramifications for Turkey to do so. If the U.S. was committing genocide against the Native Americans today, then there are treaties that it is bound by that could have legal impact. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 16:35
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Guns nuts that are voting straight R because of guns already live in states where everything they want is legal. New York City being forced to legalize guns won't affect their voting in any way. As others have noted, NRA will keep harping that all guns will be taken away if a Democrat wins to scare these people. They are still going to vote against anything else that might benefit their life. This just shows how the system of government is broken if a city of 10 million is forced to have the same gun safety laws (against the will of people that live there) as some village in Alabama where your neighbors are a mile away.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:38
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1386685340522536961  Yeah we just took whole ideas for our government system from the Iroquois Confederacy; no biggie Rick What a loving buffoon Also yes Turkey do this. We should all loving acknowledge what was done on this continent to First Nation/ native Americans was a loving genocide
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https://mobile.twitter.com/HenryJGomez/status/1386307640087564291 It took six months but someone finally went to a
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Zwabu posted:Since it's pretty clear that 30-40 percent of U.S. adults are idiot babies lashing out at everything, is there some financial incentive that could plausibly be applied to getting covid vaccination? Like you miss out on a thousand dollar tax break or 200 dollar stimulus if you don't get jabbed? Dunkin' Donuts couldn't even give out free donuts for vaccination without outrage forcing them to offer it to anti-vaxxers too. Any effort like that would end up shot down in the 6-3 Supreme Court.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:45
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James Garfield posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/HenryJGomez/status/1386307640087564291 But what of the Noble Trump Voter?! Has the NY Times finally ended their fascist Safaris?
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haveblue posted:If you went to a school that wasn't terrible you probably became aware that we treated the natives very poorly but "genocide" is a big symbolic word and mental leap that most people don't make In my high school the teachers explicitly called it a genocide and pointed out how, officially, the US doesn't see it as one but it totally is one. And this was in a town in Massachusetts that always leaned Republican in presidential elections until 2020 (I think legal weed may have helped do that)
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Apr 26, 2021 16:46
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James Garfield posted:and some libertarian rear end in a top hat for Gabbard/Crenshaw 2024 I wonder how people come to these conclusions and how interviewers always seem to find them. The Venn diagram of people who are tuned in enough to be able to name Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw off the top of their head, but not realize that they disagree on 90% of issues has to be tiny. Not to mention what the draw is for a libertarian from Eerie, PA is to a Hawaiian politician that wants to ally with dictators to help them kill Muslims and a Texan who thinks we should be invading every dictatorship in the world (except for Saudi Arabia).
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Zeron posted:Dunkin' Donuts couldn't even give out free donuts for vaccination without outrage forcing them to offer it to anti-vaxxers too. Any effort like that would end up shot down in the 6-3 Supreme Court. That was Krispy Kreme. And they ended up "compromising" by adding a special deal for non-vaccinated people that was actually a better deal than the vaccination promotion (but, you could only claim it on Mondays instead of any day). Still insane that it happened.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That was Krispy Kreme. Weird that the people who think participation trophies are crap keep demanding they receive participation trophies (or donuts in this case) for not even "participating"
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The EU is proposing permitting vaccinated American tourists this summer, which is viewpoint discrimination so severe I expect for Hugh Hewitt to start building a cassus belli against the Spanish menace in the next few days.
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