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Localization in any comedy setting is always going to be hugely difficult. I remember when there was a new Leisure Suit Larry in the... early 2000's I think? and the translators did a goddamn amazing job in carrying over the jokes and innuendoes into the other languages. In games there can be a problem where the translators are working off concatenated excel files so the context for a word or short phrase can be almost impossible to guess. Like, you might have a phrase "we need to get to the X" where "X" is a variable. An example I know happened was in an fps in a war setting where the spanish translator translated "pillbox" as "pillera", which is literally a box you keep pills in. This is why you have localization testers!
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Apr 26, 2021 17:50
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Katt posted:Does Japan have a version of weebs that obsess over the correctly nuanced translation of Family Guy and Rick & Morty? and they were drat right
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Apr 26, 2021 17:54
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DACK FAYDEN posted:the only thing I have to contribute to this is that there was a small community of Japanese fans over on 2ch who were absolutely convinced that Fallout: New Vegas was the best fallout game Do they not have a Japanese release of Fallout 4?
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Apr 26, 2021 17:56
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Don’t worry. One day we’ll translate Brotherhood of Steel for them and they’ll know better
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Apr 26, 2021 18:03
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RoboRodent posted:Japanese and English are just such incredibly different languages that translation gets really complicated, even before you introduce things like dialects or puns or jokes about niche cultural concepts. It will never, ever translate perfectly. 
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Apr 26, 2021 18:17
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hahaha whoa
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Apr 26, 2021 18:26
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Makeup YouTube is serious business
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Push El Burrito posted:There is a pretty sizeable fanbase of King of the Hill followers there from what I understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JH4YIXfNeA Some differences in the Japanese dub: -Boomhauer speaks normal Japanese at a normal speed. -Hank's "BWAAAH!" is replaced by "EEEEH?"
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Apr 26, 2021 19:08
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Scratch Monkey posted:Makeup YouTube is serious business uh i'm more talking about the response from someone most famous for calling the police on Chris Hansen and a film crew doing a To Catch A Predator style sting on him it is basically the epitome of a glass house to not throw stones from
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Apr 26, 2021 19:10
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Rockman Reserve posted:uh i'm more talking about the response from someone most famous for calling the police on Chris Hansen and a film crew doing a To Catch A Predator style sting on him I don't know who either of those two people are.
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Apr 26, 2021 19:14
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IIRC didn't the localization handle it by saying there was just a huge japanese immigrant community in this alternate timeline Los Angeles and that's why there was stuff like remote villages of Japanese shinto shamans and extremely popular children's cartoons based around samurai etc etc? Now I'm imagining the writers putting in a case that happens in Los Angeles where you have to fly over to Los Angeles and there's a lot hinging on foreign legal nuance and a lot of extremely caricatured American culture and the localizers just being like 'so this happens in Texas...'
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Apr 26, 2021 19:18
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Texas is a caricature of America, so it'd work.
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Apr 26, 2021 19:20
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PetraCore posted:IIRC didn't the localization handle it by saying there was just a huge japanese immigrant community in this alternate timeline Los Angeles and that's why there was stuff like remote villages of Japanese shinto shamans and extremely popular children's cartoons based around samurai etc etc? They never really explained it until the 5th game which features a traditional japanese village with a couple hundred years of history and local folk myths and that's when they finally threw up their hands and gave the explanation about a bunch of Japanese immigrants during the gold rush. In the earlier games they just told you about these traditional shinto shamans that are in the villages of California and dared you to question it. Frankly I thought the later explanation was a sign of weakness on behalf of the translators.
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Apr 26, 2021 19:25
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Pththya-lyi posted:-Boomhauer speaks normal Japanese at a normal speed. I imagine there are a lot of arguments about this change in particular.
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Apr 26, 2021 19:44
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Dang ol' desu ne, man
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Apr 26, 2021 19:45
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Apr 26, 2021 19:49
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Mak0rz posted:I imagine there are a lot of arguments about this change in particular. I would flip the gently caress out about this if like I grew up in Japan watching dubs of King of the Hill and then finally learned enough English I could follow it with the original dialog.
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Apr 26, 2021 19:52
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America still exports a lot of culture. In the not-idiot tweet thread about localizing anime posted recently, they point out a scene where a fantasy/comedy anime references the Skyrim “arrow to the knee” quote. People got mad about it, but Skyrim is one of the best-selling games ever, so it’s not much weirder than an anime referencing a Hollywood movie. I’m going to be a possible IOSM by being the first to admit I’ve read the Nagatoro manga the started this discussion. There’s one thing in it that struck me way more than “sus.” At a couple points, the nerdy protagonist’s fellow nerds call him a “normalfag” for starting to hang out with the girls, which was way harsher language than had been used in the rest of the manga. Are they supposed to be the kind of people who reference -chan poo poo in real life? Was it supposed to be jarring? I couldn’t say whether it was the translator putting their own spin on that or not. It might be a minor contributing factor to him preferring to hang out with a girl who teases him constantly. Big social media sites being based in America means that conspiracy stuff also gets exported, so conspiracy theory groups in other countries have a weirdly American bent. Donald Trump is a heroic figure and COVID was made to take him down specifically, and they’re concerned about the depredations of BLM and Antifa, stopping the steal, etc.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:01
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christmas boots posted:One example of localization that weirdos have complained about whenever it happens even though it's imo such an obvious and clear-cut example of localization working is translating the word "kintama" to "family jewels". The former literally translates to "gold balls" and it's slang for testicles. And just like that I learned of a new joke in One Punch Man.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:05
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It's definitely "wokeness" and not any other possible contributing factor that made people not be super interested in watching the Oscars this year. https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1386741947830767618?s=20
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Apr 26, 2021 20:13
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christmas boots posted:One example of localization that weirdos have complained about whenever it happens even though it's imo such an obvious and clear-cut example of localization working is translating the word "kintama" to "family jewels". The former literally translates to "gold balls" and it's slang for testicles. I love that, that's a really excellent example of good localization. One thing that's really tough to translate are wordplay puns. They're really common in Japanese humor, and almost impossible to translate, so when someone pulls it off I'm always super impressed. Translators really don't get enough credit, especially when they did a great job and then some lovely editor or network comes in and decides to "fix" it for them and completely ruins it. Skwirl posted:It's definitely "wokeness" and not any other possible contributing factor that made people not be super interested in watching the Oscars this year. God he needs to just shut up already.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:22
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Dr Christmas posted:America still exports a lot of culture. In the not-idiot tweet thread about localizing anime posted recently, they point out a scene where a fantasy/comedy anime references the Skyrim “arrow to the knee” quote. People got mad about it, but Skyrim is one of the best-selling games ever, so it’s not much weirder than an anime referencing a Hollywood movie. "Normalfag" used to be a common translation for "riajuu", which is japanese -chan slang from 2ch, though I don't really know how harsh it is or how widely used outside of the internet. Translators realized that calling everyone a fag isn't so cool anymore so it gets translated to "normie" more often nowadays.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:24
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Metal Gear Revengeance has some really solid localization. You need to take a DOOMP! wh- what?
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Otana posted:I love that, that's a really excellent example of good localization. My favorite is the evil "Jashinka Empire" from https://powerrangers.fandom.com/wiki/Kagaku_Sentai_Dynaman, who use genetic engineering to evolve themselves above humans quote:The Jashinka Empire (ジャシンカ帝国) (Combination of the Japanese words for "evil" (邪心 Jashin), and "evolution" (進化 Shinka)) rises from the depths of the Earth to conquer the world. Translation: Evilution. I mean it just doesn't get more serendipitous than that
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I swear “X award show is being killed by wokeness/PC Culture” has been the line for the past decade as ratings decline like all cable stuff.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:28
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Skwirl posted:It's definitely "wokeness" and not any other possible contributing factor that made people not be super interested in watching the Oscars this year. Even the people I know who do actually watch and like the Oscars were like "I don't remember any of these movies. Are any of these real movies?" during the show this year.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:33
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Grunch Worldflower posted:Even the people I know who do actually watch and like the Oscars were like "I don't remember any of these movies. Are any of these real movies?" during the show this year. I'm mostly sure I hadn't heard of the movie that won best picture (Nomadland) before yesterday. Which isn't a criticism of the film, because, you know I had other things on my mind for the last year.
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On the one hand I don't think it is "wokeness" that's doing it. On the other hand I am glad it is happening, and doubly so that it appears to be annoying noted potato gender enthusiast, piers morgan. So really I don't see any downside.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:43
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I've heard of most of them but only saw about half. I dunno, I thought they were all pretty good. Anthony Hopkins killed it in The Father. Honestly though the foreign films were way better than anything we made.
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OwlFancier posted:On the one hand I don't think it is "wokeness" that's doing it. I'm mostly annoyed he made me think positive things about the Oscars.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:45
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Nobody sane would sit down in a movie theater during the pandemic anyways, so it makes sense that people have seen way fewer new releases
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Nobody sane would sit down in a movie theater during the pandemic anyways, so it makes sense that people have seen way fewer new releases They've been available to stream for a while, but Nomadland was available with just a Hulu subscription whereas the others you had to rent specifically I think.
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Pinocchio was also trending on Twitter during Oscar night after getting nominations for costume design and cinematography. The hashtag was populated exclusively by people who had just that second learned of the film’s existence. I’m not calling them idiots, I didn’t know about it either, it was just funny. Dr Christmas has a new favorite as of 20:57 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 20:54
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Data Graham posted:My favorite is the evil "Jashinka Empire" from https://powerrangers.fandom.com/wiki/Kagaku_Sentai_Dynaman, who use genetic engineering to evolve themselves above humans That really is the perfect localization - it's an almost word perfect translation AND it's an almost entirely accurate feel-translation. It's a thing I've realized over and over and over again over a long time in localization - humor is not universal, styles are culturally different and a pun in one language is just stupid in another. You can't just word for word translate a joke and expect it to land. You have to really translate it, and that requires extraordinary skill.
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christmas boots posted:They've been available to stream for a while, but Nomadland was available with just a Hulu subscription whereas the others you had to rent specifically I think. Nomadland is Hulu, Mank and Trial of the Chicago 7 were Netflix, Sound of Metal is Amazon Prime, Judas and the Black Messiah was on HBO Max for a month as part of the new simultaneous rollouts Warner Bros. are doing. The rest you had to pay full theater ticket price just to rent.
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Wait, what? Holy poo poo this is like a few months ago when I learned about NBC's Horny Grinch like a month after it happened. E: in regards to Pinocchio. I'm less thrown off by the reveal that Netflix was showing some of these movies
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This has to be a bit, right? https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/1386739614669365255?s=20
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Skwirl posted:It's definitely "wokeness" and not any other possible contributing factor that made people not be super interested in watching the Oscars this year. The UK is in a really obvious 'secret' culture war at the moment. He's certainly been 'called up' to do his bit. It's going to get so much worse as as the effects of brexit gently caress everything beyond fixing
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Data Graham posted:My favorite is the evil "Jashinka Empire" from https://powerrangers.fandom.com/wiki/Kagaku_Sentai_Dynaman, who use genetic engineering to evolve themselves above humans See also: the goon who localised the Gen IV Pokémon games translating “mori no yōkan” to “Old Chateau”/“Old Gateau”. Shame he couldn’t do anything about the RAGECANDYBAR though.
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