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Flavius Aetass posted:I'd be happy to listen to your suggestions, but so far reflexively defending the most toxic posters whenever they get probated for acting like an rear end in a top hat isn't very convincing. its not something that can "solved" via probes. just give larry 24 hours to confirm its against the rules and move on
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Flavius Aetass posted:I don't know but for real I'm not going to be persuaded to just let one thread be special and use slurs and abuse people because... ??? Has it occurred to you it isn't about Larry but maybe whatever grievance leads him to push against a specific boundary he knows will antagonize you? A grievance that is maybe shared by everyone else cheering him on? Can't speak for everyone else, but I don't like your arbitrary and antagonistic style of moderation. This has nothing to do with someone else's choice of insult.
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V. Illych L. posted:i'm silvio berlusconi ama does your mouth still hurt from when the guy threw a statuette of the milan cathedral at your face?
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Flavius Aetass posted:I don't know but for real I'm not going to be persuaded to just let one thread be special and use slurs and abuse people because... ??? because nobody wants you to probate larry??
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Spergin Morlock posted:does your mouth still hurt from when the guy threw a statuette of the milan cathedral at your face? yes, but its ok it turned out to be one of my kinks indigi posted:post you're dick 
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V. Illych L. posted:yes, but its ok it turned out to be one of my kinks dudes rock
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brotha from anatha posted:because nobody wants you to probate larry?? what is this av
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how difficult is it to grasp that your moderation is neither desired or required by anyone who ever witnessed any of your participation in this thread, which has composed of "lol, gently caress you" and "im going to probate larry becasue he used a bad wrd". nobody wants you here, and i would be infinately more popular as a thread ik. gently caress you and go away (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Mr. Lobe posted:Has it occurred to you it isn't about Larry but maybe whatever grievance leads him to push against a specific boundary he knows will antagonize you? A grievance that is maybe shared by everyone else cheering him on? The only reason he has a grievance against me is because I keep probating him for saying that. He's been probated by a lot of mods and IKs for saying that, including Rask. I really don't think I need to answer for why such a toxic and aggressive person wouldn't like me, the guy who enforces rules.
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indigi posted:what is this av fresh outta fyad
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brotha from anatha posted:how difficult is it to grasp that your moderation is neither desired or required by anyone who ever witnessed any of your participation in this thread, which has composed of "lol, gently caress you" and "im going to probate larry becasue he used a bad wrd". nobody wants you here, and i would be infinately more popular as a thread ik. lol
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V. Illych L. posted:please show your work here, i legitimately do not follow. the difference in how George Floyd and Barack Obama experience "blackness" is analogous to the difference in how a cashier at Walmart and Tom Brady experience "proletarianness"
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theres been exceptions to the forum rules for decades that you can sometimes get away with breaking the rules if its funny. this forum has never been about mechanical adherence to rules, and is full of arbitrary “fun” probations, playing favorites, and all kinds of behind-the-scenes fuckery. in this specific case its clear that larry is only doing this to antagonize you, most people think its funny because it antagonizes you, and if you werent what larry was accusing you of being youd stop taking the bait
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THS posted:theres been exceptions to the forum rules for decades that you can sometimes get away with breaking the rules if its funny. this forum has never been about mechanical adherence to rules, and is full of arbitrary “fun” probations, playing favorites, and all kinds of behind-the-scenes fuckery. in this specific case its clear that larry is only doing this to antagonize you, most people think its funny because it antagonizes you, and if you werent what larry was accusing you of being youd stop taking the bait Larry is never funny, he's just an rear end in a top hat.
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Flavius Aetass posted:The only reason he has a grievance against me is because I keep probating him for saying that. notice how it's not the other mods people end up complaining about as much?
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brotha from anatha posted:how difficult is it to grasp that your moderation is neither desired or required by anyone who ever witnessed any of your participation in this thread, which has composed of "lol, gently caress you" and "im going to probate larry becasue he used a bad wrd". nobody wants you here, and i would be infinately more popular as a thread ik. This is why we don't like you. Probations like these. Don't pretend like you don't know why everyone closes ranks against you now.
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Flavius Aetass posted:I mean, if the problem is that you don't like me probing Larry et al for calling people retards I can really only say you can gently caress off too and continue to do it. You didn't say it. I just don't like you. User loses posting privileges for 6 hours.
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V. Illych L. posted:what i was talking about was the "all antisemitism is unacceptable, the other people are worse, only we can answer the issues of race" - i.e. "only socialism can deliver in the fight against antisemitism". purging the internal right wouldn't have worked precisely because several key spokespeople of the labour right happened to be fairly prominent jewish MPs. however, if we're not going to be able to discuss the example i could bring up examples from the french anti-police violence protest movement of the past couple of years if that's better for you my read, from across the pond, is that corbyn was never going to be able to win because of the forces arrayed against him (which includes those in his own party and imagined constituency), so i've never been inclined to quarterback it that hard. ultimately i'm more interested in what gets people into the movement rather than into the legislature quote:please show your work here, i legitimately do not follow. here's a big image, which i'll attempt to summarize:  the value of a commodity is equal to the average socially-necessary labor time required to produce it. however, this value is only validated and realized in the act of exchange. capitalists don't really know for sure what the market wants or what the value of their products are - they make their best guess and are rewarded or punished accordingly after the fact. it's entirely possible for too much of something to be produced, such that all examples of that thing simultaneously lose value (because some of the labor expended on them is de facto unnecessary). it's possible for existing commodities to lose value because a technical development has made their equivalents easier to produce, or to gain value because of disasters or shortages elsewhere. basically, collective, social validation is the basis of value itself - things are only socially real if we all treat them as socially real. blackness and manhood are constructs, but so is a hellfire missile quote:my point is precisely that contemporary left-identitarianism relies on and assumes this to a large extent, and not just a subset of liberal idealism. in fact, my point is that identity politics as i initially defined are essentially liberal idealism and therefore do not constitute a reasonable way forward for the left well, it doesn't. "left-identitarianism" is a tradition going back as least as far as the combahee river collective. if you read the CRC statement you won't find them claiming that no one can possibly understand them, but that a focus on their specific position will actually help the broader left movement Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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THS posted:theres been exceptions to the forum rules for decades that you can sometimes get away with breaking the rules if its funny. this forum has never been about mechanical adherence to rules, and is full of arbitrary “fun” probations, playing favorites, and all kinds of behind-the-scenes fuckery. in this specific case its clear that larry is only doing this to antagonize you, most people think its funny because it antagonizes you, and if you werent what larry was accusing you of being youd stop taking the bait well, conversely, it's pretty funny that larry can't stop being probated for using slurs. surely the probations themselves are all part of the game. live a little!
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brotha from anatha posted:how difficult is it to grasp that your moderation is neither desired or required by anyone who ever witnessed any of your participation in this thread, which has composed of "lol, gently caress you" and "im going to probate larry becasue he used a bad wrd". nobody wants you here, and i would be infinately more popular as a thread ik. jesus christ flavius you suck so much lol
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why is it so difficult for you to just go away dude
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Mr. Lobe posted:This is why we don't like you. Probations like these. Don't pretend like you don't know why everyone closes ranks against you now.
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Mr. Lobe posted:This is why we don't like you. Probations like these. Don't pretend like you don't know why everyone closes ranks against you now. a Loving Dog posted:why is it so difficult for you to just go away dude
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brotha from anatha posted:how difficult is it to grasp that your moderation is neither desired or required by anyone who ever witnessed any of your participation in this thread, which has composed of "lol, gently caress you" and "im going to probate larry becasue he used a bad wrd". nobody wants you here, and i would be infinately more popular as a thread ik. cowardly probe
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just only give sixxers no one takes complaints about sixxers seriously
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flavius is an occupying force in the holy see(spam)
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Yankee go home
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Ferrinus posted:well, it doesn't. "left-identitarianism" is a tradition going back as least as far as the combahee river collective. if you read the CRC statement you won't find them claiming that no one can possibly understand them, but that a focus on their specific position will actually help the broader left movement how is that working out exactly?
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indigi posted:the difference in how George Floyd and Barack Obama experience "blackness" is analogous to the difference in how a cashier at Walmart and Tom Brady experience "proletarianness" no its not blackness exists and is problematic on a purely superstructural level. it is what people experience it as; this is what constitutes blackness. this is why you laugh at people who insist on paper-bag tests, why you talk about "white-passing" black people etc. the experience of blackness as a reflection of varying social standards and mores, and how these respond to the individual in question. barack obama is unquestionably black, but that means something genuinely different in his case (so the statement "you are black and hence more likely to be gunned down by police" is a contingent statement, whereas the statement "you are a wage-earner and thus have conflicting interests with your employer" is not). there's a radical difference, because race is fundamentally superstructural and defined by culture, whereas the means of production are not note that this is all speaking about blackness as identity and social construct - if you start talking about biological race then it's a different can of worms, but i am not a race realist and am discounting that on the contrary, the proletarian has a technical definition independent of the experience of being or seeing proletarians. of course, there's an identity there as well, but it is also something that exists in a way where you can say to a proletarian "no, you are wrong about this fundamental part of being a proletarian" i would also note that top athletes and artists etc are a bit of a special category and i hesitate to call them properly proletarian in this sense since they're not simply selling their exchangable labour-power, but the point stands wrt a google software developer or whatever V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Flavius you suck dude. How do you not notice that all the bad behaviour from posters all have the common denominator of you being the one they call out?
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thatfatkid posted:Flavius you suck dude. How do you not notice that all the bad behaviour from posters all have the common denominator of you being the one they call out? I'm the one who has made it a point not to allow excessive toxicity.
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Flavius Aetass posted:I'm the one who has made it a point not to allow excessive toxicity. stop postiong cringe. STOP POSTING CRIMGE.
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Brain Candy posted:how is that working out exactly? as has been pointed out, particularistic struggles relating to national liberation have historically worked out much better than abstract economism. the CPUSA was at its strongest in the 30s when black liberation was a core part of its platform rather than something that was assumed to be a second-order effect of establishing socialism. right now prison abolition movement and the specific demand to defund the police is rapidly picking up steam
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to be less snippy it is completely correct to say that saying 'black lives matter', despite seemingly specific, is the universalist position and the supposedly universalist position of the 'all lives matter' is actually very narrow. if you focus on particular issues, those can drive solidarity this is completely at cross purpose with how intersectionality is expressed culturally, which seems to be a mechanism for middle aged white ladies to sell books
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Flavius Aetass posted:Larry is never funny, he's just an rear end in a top hat. he's an rear end in a top hat to you, which imo is funny.
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