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Flavius Aetass posted:I'm the one who has made it a point not to allow excessive toxicity. Lmfao
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Flavius Aetass posted:I'm the one who has made it a point not to allow excessive toxicity. Smug passive aggressive contrarianism is all you bring to the forum m8
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Apr 26, 2021 23:01
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toxicity... drat thats hosed up, thank u flavass
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Apr 26, 2021 23:03
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you want excessive toxicity? i'll give you excessive toxicity! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHAHnZsveI
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Apr 26, 2021 23:04
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Brain Candy posted:to be less snippy it is completely correct to say that saying 'black lives matter', despite seemingly specific, is the universalist position and the supposedly universalist position of the 'all lives matter' is actually very narrow. if you focus on particular issues, those can drive solidarity the phenomenon you're describing is real but, i think, much more marginal than you're making it out to be. White Fragility is the equivalent of a che shirt; yeah, some grifter has found a way to make money off one of his epiphenomenal effects, but che was still good
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Apr 26, 2021 23:04
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Shimmy is still a great car song
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Apr 26, 2021 23:05
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I think the thing that confuses him is that sometimes the better mods do kind of laugh along and have fun while throwing trivial sixers around at resident rascals The odd factor out is that noone is laughing with you, flavious ateass. That's because, again, you are not liked. If you think that's a problem you can whine or probate your way out of, well, I guess that explains a lot
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Apr 26, 2021 23:05
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i don't think flavius describing his modding as being a reaction to "toxicity" really makes sense. he's clearly repressing two things: 1) use of slurs 2) hostility to the mods now, a bunch of people are doing this bizarre dance where in response to #1 they're like "see? see? this is why nobody likes you and you aren't allowed to socialize here". and in a vacuum #2 seems petty and wrongheaded. on the other hand if all the anti-mod hostility is coming from people who are furious that the use of slurs is being punished, why take it seriously?
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Apr 26, 2021 23:06
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Ferrinus posted:as has been pointed out, particularistic struggles relating to national liberation have historically worked out much better than abstract economism. the CPUSA was at its strongest in the 30s when black liberation was a core part of its platform rather than something that was assumed to be a second-order effect of establishing socialism. this is a second order effect even if it's a first order goal? if the the goal is universal emanicpation, of course it must see to the needs of particular persons and groups of those persons quote:right now prison abolition movement and the specific demand to defund the police is rapidly picking up steam this seems delusional tbh, an increase in awareness is useless without corresponding ability to wield power with regard to the awareness
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Apr 26, 2021 23:09
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some believe that people's behavior on the forums reflects what they think constitutes activism in larry's case, then, activism means angrily calling other posters names, especially the forbidden ableist slur which gets him probated every time, but he does it anyway and bears the scars of his sixer as a proud trophy
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Apr 26, 2021 23:11
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if it was sixxers i doubt anyone, including larry, would care
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Apr 26, 2021 23:13
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Raskolnikov38 posted:if it was sixxers i doubt anyone, including larry, would care i dunno, larry's sixer did blow up into a multipage derail with two followup sixers and a 24
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Apr 26, 2021 23:14
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Dustcat posted:some believe that people's behavior on the forums reflects what they think constitutes activism By this reading for the poster known as dustcat activism only ever manifests as consummate bootlicking in threads they never contribute to whenever people start making fun of mods.
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Apr 26, 2021 23:15
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Sharkopath posted:By this reading for the poster known as dustcat activism only ever manifests as consummate bootlicking in threads they never contribute to whenever people start making fun of mods. this is your only post itt
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Apr 26, 2021 23:16
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Flavius Aetass posted:this is your only post itt I have three previous posts in this thread so it makes me more qualified to post this: By this reading for the poster known as dustcat activism only ever manifests as consummate bootlicking in threads they never contribute to whenever people start making fun of mods.
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Apr 26, 2021 23:17
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Brain Candy posted:this is a second order effect even if it's a first order goal? if the the goal is universal emanicpation, of course it must see to the needs of particular persons and groups of those persons well it's easy - and, hell, probably formally correct - to assume that black liberation would be a second-order effect of the victory socialism, but unfortunately if you think that way then victory never comes. you need to take up the banner of particular struggles and wield communism as a hammer to win those struggles. defund as a widespread demand is only a year old but i see it driving a lot of action where i live and, of course, the uprising that popularized it was enormous
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Apr 26, 2021 23:17
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Sharkopath posted:By this reading for the poster known as dustcat activism only ever manifests as consummate bootlicking in threads they never contribute to whenever people start making fun of mods. consummate bootlicking does sound like something i should charge for
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Apr 26, 2021 23:17
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Flavius Aetass posted:this is your only post itt This thread has tons of people talking cool history and theory and ive learned a lot, but never from dustcat who exclusively posts about larry drama
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Apr 26, 2021 23:17
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cum posted:I have three previous posts in this thread so it makes me more qualified to post this: By this reading for the poster known as dustcat activism only ever manifests as consummate bootlicking in threads they never contribute to whenever people start making fun of mods. where do you people come from
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Apr 26, 2021 23:18
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Flavius Aetass posted:where do you people come from the rhizzone bitch
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Apr 26, 2021 23:18
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Flavius Aetass posted:this is your only post itt so?
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Apr 26, 2021 23:18
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Flavius Aetass posted:where do you people come from From the thread that were reading.
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Apr 26, 2021 23:18
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I have no previous posts in this thread so it makes me exactly as qualified to post this: By this reading for the poster known as dustcat activism only ever manifests as consummate bootlicking in threads they never contribute to whenever people start making fun of mods.
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Apr 26, 2021 23:18
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Raskolnikov38 posted:if it was sixxers i doubt anyone, including larry, would care yes but then he would keep using slurs. it's like charging a corporation a couple mil for an oil spill. the point is to purge ableist language from what's supposed to be a social space, not to participate in a comedy bit
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Apr 26, 2021 23:18
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Flavius Aetass posted:this is your only post itt
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Apr 26, 2021 23:19
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Sharkopath posted:This thread has tons of people talking cool history and theory and ive learned a lot, but never from dustcat who exclusively posts about larry drama i'm sorry i just find it funny
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Apr 26, 2021 23:20
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How many people have to tell you that you're actively making things worse before you start to consider that maybe you're the problem? Would a poll help?
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Apr 26, 2021 23:22
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I'm in favor of the worst posters constantly getting themselves probed for an easily avoided word used derogatorily, it means less bad posts that skirt getting probed from em. Sorry your friend can't stop being poo poo and thinks the community standards and rules don't apply to him, I too once befriended a liberal.
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Apr 26, 2021 23:24
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flavass is an anti-communist op
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Apr 26, 2021 23:24
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your insistence on not engaging with the substance of my corbyn anecdote is pretty frustrating for the secont part: see my previous post for the last part: now we can have a conversation. this is good! there's a tangible point of disagreement. i think we could've started from there, after my initial definition of what i was talking about. in short: i believe that the theory has evolved from the foundational document, but that one can still see the assumptions they make in that document. i am not familiar with the combahee river collective beyond the manifesto, so i'm not going to commit to any particulars there, but the politics of the manifesto is still based on the same fundamenally experiental form of politics. this is not unreasonable from an avant-garde political and ideological collective, and it's in traditional feminist practice to do so. the issue is not that this sort of analysis is necessarily untrue and cannot produce fruitful results, it is that taken as a mass ideology it produces a number of unfortunate, but predictable consequences. it is not reasonable to expect that the CRC should anticipate entire minority identities being mobilised towards reactionary ends, for instance. they try to expand the scope of their experiental politics by taking on more dimensions of experience, which is a legitimately clever maneuver, but it still suffers from the fundamental problem of communication and subsequent objectification of others that you'll inevitably end up with. if you look at a lot of online discourse (such as what fisher's discussing in the vampire's castle - not going to vouch for all that's written in that text, since i haven't read it for years, but he's talking about something real), it's based on vigorously controlling certain types of behaviour, in particular language and affect. this only makes sense as a political activity from a basically behavioristic view of other people - i.e. you cannot really talk to people about stuff, you can only reward or punish. if you punish perceived transgressions vigilantly enough, eventually those transgressions will stop and you'll have fixed society. the only people you can meaningfully discuss anything with are the people with comparable experiential backgrounds, in practice people who already agree with you to some extent - anyone with a simliar experiential background who disagrees can be assumed to either be acting in bad faith or to be misinformed (to an extent, this is necessary; the candace owens of the world do genuinely exist). such behaviorism doesn't make sense to me unless you have a fairly solid philosophical underpinning to allow you to do this, and i argue that identitarianism (in its standpoint theory+translation problem form) is such an underpinning.
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Apr 26, 2021 23:26
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see, this sort of thing is why i say that modding itt is dire it turns what ought to be about ten posts into two pages and makes actually trying to discuss things unnecessarily difficult
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Apr 26, 2021 23:29
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V. Illych L. posted:see, this sort of thing is why i say that modding itt is dire I mean I also wish it wouldn't devolve into a meta argument and a bunch of gently caress yous and such every time I probe someone for using a slur but
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Apr 26, 2021 23:30
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drat if flavius is busy doubling down here, who’s going to finish changing all of the thread titles to freakin epic trmup misspellings??
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Apr 26, 2021 23:30
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a Loving Dog posted:why is it so difficult for you to just go away dude
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Apr 26, 2021 23:31
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yeah why doesnt larry just one of the other countless ableist slurs that arent against the rules. good thing the mods are here to protect us from seeing the Forbidden Insult
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Apr 26, 2021 23:31
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Flavius Aetass posted:I mean I also wish it wouldn't devolve into a meta argument and a bunch of gently caress yous and such every time I probe someone for using a slur but and yet you keep feeding it if you're going to do this aloof guardian of the rules bit, at least just be an aloof guardian of the rules or take it to qcs or something, stop making the thread about you
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Apr 26, 2021 23:31
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Flavius Aetass posted:I mean I also wish it wouldn't devolve into a meta argument and a bunch of gently caress yous and such every time I probe someone for using a slur but maybe you shouldn't have probed the people who didnt say a slur then?
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Apr 26, 2021 23:37
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wordfilter to "revisionist" imo
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Apr 26, 2021 23:39
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you want excessive toxicity? i'll give you excessive toxicity! still slaps
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Apr 26, 2021 23:39
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flavius what if larry had called posters "developmentally challenged", do you think that would be better or would it be worse.
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