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Ok sure I’ll concede that, but it only proves my point that you won’t only be catching 95% of cases with a 14 day quarantine. The numbers don’t pass a sniff test, given we routinely get 20 cases a day and yet it doesn’t leak through. The only counter argument I could make to the above is that the Swiss cheese scenario of an ultra-long incubation case then becoming a super spreader is so unlikely that it means every leak so far has fizzled out, but that seems quite unlikely in comparison to it just being long enough that a test on day 11 or 12 or whatever catches them.
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"you should respond the same way if you saw a kid being abused in a walmart" having been to a walmart in the last six months, that response would be pretending it isn't happening
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I look forward to putting my life on hold perpetually because of 50% of the population deciding a vaccine for the common cold isn't needed. Love when people grill you with the moral ground when they should be putting effort on people who aren’t vaccinated.
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boar guy posted:you're making an unfair moral judgement, not a practical, reality-based one. these games are going to happen. im doing what i can to help mitigate the risk of it. staying at home at this point- after being vaccinated, and following all the guidance- is just being holier than thou. you can't walk around seething mad all the time because people are gonna do what they're gonna do. it ain't up to you
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Rabid Snake posted:Love when people grill you with the moral ground when they should be putting effort on people who aren’t vaccinated. Those people should be forced into quarantine camps, not reasoned with.
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John_A_Tallon posted:Those people should be forced into quarantine camps, not reasoned with. yeah lets move the poor with bad access to transportation and no time off of work to camps
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Nam Taf posted:Ok sure I’ll concede that, but it only proves my point that you won’t only be catching 95% of cases with a 14 day quarantine. The numbers don’t pass a sniff test, given we routinely get 20 cases a day and yet it doesn’t leak through. There's been several cases in Australia where people finished their 14 day quarantine and popped positive a few days afterwards. Stick that in your sniff test and see how it smells. 
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I thought none of the vaccines made you immune to the virus. They just make it likely you wont have complications that land you in hospital ? Which means you keep wearing your mask because even if you are asymptomatic you could still have it and be spreading ?
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Qmass posted:I thought none of the vaccines made you immune to the virus. They just make it likely you wont have complications that land you in hospital ? Which means you keep wearing your mask because even if you are asymptomatic you could still have it and be spreading ? The latest studies seem to confirm the original mRNA trials, that something like 90-95% of vaccinated people can't even contract the virus, therefore can't spread it.
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Qmass posted:I thought none of the vaccines made you immune to the virus. They just make it likely you wont have complications that land you in hospital ? Which means you keep wearing your mask because even if you are asymptomatic you could still have it and be spreading ? People are doing a Fauci “masks don’t help unless you have a doctorate” thing when they say stuff like this because they think it’ll encourage better behavior while we work to reduce infections worldwide. 5-10% of vaccinated people may still get infected and pass the virus along. I don’t think they’re anywhere remotely near being considered “part of the problem”. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Apr 27, 2021 |
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:I better start carrying a thing of pepper spray around. Just lol if you don't have a pepper spray on your keys, with a lighter duct taped to it in this Borderlands 2 world we live in
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dwarf74 posted:Just remember this easy rule of thumb - Exactly what I am doing is the proper degree of caution everyone should take. More than what I am doing is paranoid nonsense. Less than what I am doing is monstrous irresponsibility. There is an additional level to covid high-horsing though, this weird quasi-religious conviction certain people have that social distancing, mask wearing, and hygiene aren't sensible precautions to take against a pretty nasty disease but are sacraments, and improper observation of these sacraments will cause us all to be doomed by the Judgement Of Coronayahweh. Some are sad about this, but many seem outright *joyful* about it. I get definite doomsday cult vibes from some posts ITT, although there are pockets of other sites that make this place seem like Belarus. I don't know how much of this is because they're just scared and stressed out after almost a year and a half of this, how much is because they're lovely people, and how much is because this is the first time that they've been able to claim the moral high ground for never leaving their goonholes, but like a lot of cult members it's just impossible to actually engage them in discussion because of that armour of self-righteousness they've built around themselves.
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If you think this thread is bad check out the CSPAM one. Like holy poo poo lol. It’s probably for the best that the regulars there will never reintegrate with society.
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well let's all take a good look at the numbers of dead shall we??? Over reacting cultmember shut in goons or actual virulent pandemic
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There is an additional level to covid high-horsing though, this weird quasi-religious conviction certain people have that social distancing, mask wearing, and hygiene aren't sensible precautions to take against a pretty nasty disease but are sacraments, and improper observation of these sacraments will cause us all to be doomed by the Judgement Of Coronayahweh. Some are sad about this, but many seem outright *joyful* about it. I get definite doomsday cult vibes from some posts ITT, although there are pockets of other sites that make this place seem like Belarus. I think Covid19 is scary and dangerous, and it is completely appropriate to treat it as scary and dangerous. We've also all been traumatized in various ways over this pandemic. And finally there's a lot of folks who were already suffering from anxiety, depression, or both, and this pandemic kicked all of that into overdrive (understandably). That all can get your senses of perspective pretty warped. There's also part of it where - if you're naturally introverted or anxious - this pandemic has sanctioned (hell, sanctified) stuff that you're prone to do anyways, like stay at home and be extremely careful. So it may be tough letting go of that sense of heroism if people around you are starting to open up. poo poo's complicated. And it's further complicated by how the pandemic isn't over yet, but people (particularly the vaccinated) are starting to explore being part of the outside world again. I dunno, I am just spitballing and trying to keep a sense of perspective. There's a lot of well-meaning people working their way through this trauma right now, I think.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There is an additional level to covid high-horsing though, this weird quasi-religious conviction certain people have that social distancing, mask wearing, and hygiene aren't sensible precautions to take against a pretty nasty disease but are sacraments, and improper observation of these sacraments will cause us all to be doomed by the Judgement Of Coronayahweh. Some are sad about this, but many seem outright *joyful* about it. I get definite doomsday cult vibes from some posts ITT, although there are pockets of other sites that make this place seem like Belarus. I agree that some posters seem weirdly fanatical about LOCKDOWN CAN NEVER END, WE WILL NEVER BE SAFE but I do give Fluffy Bunnies a pass because she does some kind of funeral work and I'd be loving exhausted by over a year of burying people too. Healthcare and frontline workers can get a pass as well because this should also be a place for them to vent and not just for people to whine about having to wear a mask after they're vaxxed.
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Sjs00 posted:well let's all take a good look at the numbers of dead shall we??? Over reacting cultmember shut in goons or actual virulent pandemic It's possible for the pandemic to be real and dangerous, and also that two fully vaccinated people being indoors together unmasked will not lead to them mutating a new vaccine-beating variant of the virus and killing us all. gohuskies fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Apr 27, 2021 |
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-27/vaccinated-americans-can-go-unmasked-outdoors-cdc-saysquote:Fully-vaccinated Americans can be unmasked when exercising, dining and socializing outdoors in small groups, federal health officials said, and can gather indoors with other fully vaccinated people and family members without masks or social distancing. "Hey guys, we can go outside without a chin-diaper if we get a 5G nano-injection that makes you sterile and gay!" -Actual quote from a FB post I saw earlier today.
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gohuskies posted:It's possible for the pandemic to be real and dangerous, and also that two fully vaccinated people being indoors together unmasked will not lead to them mutating a new vaccine-beating variant of the virus and killing us all. These two statements are so wildly incongruous, the second one might actually be scientifically inaccurate, and I'll stop posting now
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smoobles posted:The latest studies seem to confirm the original mRNA trials, that something like 90-95% of vaccinated people can't even contract the virus, therefore can't spread it. link? i’m very interested in knowing more on this
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withak posted:If you go to the grocery store without an N95 mask then we will all die. Where I live it's literally illegal to go to the grocery store without a N95 mask, or to play soccer. So at least I can say my government has won the goon holier than thou contest on my behalf.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:link? i’m very interested in knowing more on this Here's a link: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/if-youre-vaccinated-can-you-transmit-covid-19-what-we-know Basically there are only 10% as many infections in vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated controls. Also, those who do get infected shed less virus if they're vaccinated.
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Sjs00 posted:These two statements are so wildly incongruous, the second one might actually be scientifically inaccurate, and I'll stop posting now I'm not saying hang out at Denny's or ignore all caution, but two fully vaccinated people interacting is where we're at now.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Soccer goon is going to have to keep wearing a mask, LOL i'm fine with it
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dwarf74 posted:Just remember this easy rule of thumb - Exactly what I am doing is the proper degree of caution everyone should take. More than what I am doing is paranoid nonsense. Less than what I am doing is monstrous irresponsibility. Have you ever noticed that anybody taking less precautions than you is an idiot, and anyone taking more precautions than you is a maniac?
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After all that noise you made yesterday you're just going to ignore the new CDC recommendations anyway LMAO Okay dude, you do you
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I'm grateful for this informative thread. Good morning my fellow goons.  I continue to marvel at our good fortune at highly effective vaccines being produced so quickly. I long for Canadians and others wait to shorten.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:After all that noise you made yesterday you're just going to ignore the new CDC recommendations anyway LMAO what? i said i was going to continue to wear a mask? the gently caress are you talking about man calm down and r->c->p
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