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Ardennes posted:Eh what is the left anyway? the side with my big nut
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deny one two state department genocide accusations and they send in the cops, wtf!
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Apr 28, 2021 06:05
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i freaking love denying genocide
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Apr 28, 2021 06:21
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sometimes I make up new genocides just so I can deny them
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Crusty Nutsack posted:but regardless, I think your bigger issue is what seems like favoritism by mods? I mean it's impossible to say that we don't all have posters we like or dislike, but that's because we were part of the community before we became mods. we also get frustrated when we have to keep addressing the same issues from the same posters over and over. I think larry fits into that category, tbh. he knows not to say "retard" here, he's been probated a billion times for it, and he still does it. it's frustratingly confounding tbh. ramping people when they continue to do something against the rules is normal everywhere else, but why does everyone hate it so much here? there's no point ramping this kind of minor rule infraction
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Apr 28, 2021 07:14
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Homeless Friend posted:iirc mclaine stepped down during/after big 2019 christmas drama, dropped off face of the earth. SJY stepped down like 3 days before any of that happened like loving nostradamus but still post on and off. still comes back when big poo poo goes down i.e. 1/6 lightening knight quit being a d&d mod to become a cspam mod, then quit and went to dickeye's libertarian forum, then became a cspam mod again but no one liked him anymore so he stopped posting and now he isn't a mod anymore, lol
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exmarx posted:lightening knight quit being a d&d mod to become a cspam mod, then quit and went to dickeye's libertarian forum, then became a cspam mod again but no one liked him anymore so he stopped posting and now he isn't a mod anymore, lol to think there would come a day when we would pine for LK lmfao
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exmarx posted:dickeye's libertarian forum lol
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Apr 28, 2021 07:23
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Just make rask IK of the thread, he cares enough about it and has good takes on it. I don’t care if he or any involved modmins don’t want this, just make it happen. Don’t argue with me.
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exmarx posted:dickeye's libertarian forum hmm.
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gradenko is one of the few good posters left so i look forward to his suppression of my posting enemies
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Apr 28, 2021 08:28
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Varinn posted:we had this exact fuckin thing last time squizzle accidentally used the comparison and its just as stupid this time. for a lot longer than he was known as being a rapist, taintrunner was infamous for just dragging around a bunch of mush brained idiots who'd go RUNNIN TAINTS or whatever. then they all pretended they hated him all along. way more people associate him with that than what he did as jeevesmeister, considering the proof connecting them was never actually made public (for good reason, also this isnt me doubting it lol). it actually wasn’t stupid because squizzle and retard flavius brought up taintrunner specifically to accuse me of being a rapist. people like you who love to suck mod dick just denied it though. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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yeah that’s what I figured lol. you suck as much as them btw
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how’s communism these days
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Varinn posted:okay go gently caress yourself 
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^yeah thanks for digging up the post where i defend ald against the comparison?? critical support^a Loving Dog posted:yeah that’s what I figured lol. you suck as much as them btw  fart simpson posted:how’s communism these days we're making a lot of progress. any day now studio mujahideen fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Apr 28, 2021 08:38
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The Rules are not some immutable and idealised thing that must be obeyed. legal positivism is bad enough when it comes to actual law and justice, it has absolutely no place in moderating the communism thread on an internet forum lol the whole point of moderation is to make the forums better. if your intervention as a mod will not make the thread, nor the forum, better and you can reasonably predict this, you should not make that intervention. in this case, probating larry for saying "retard" and then defending that decision in the same thread turns the thread from being a communism thread into the "moderating decisions" thread, which is making the thread worse because when i click it i want to read and argue about communism, not about modding discussions. this is bad modding, even if the rule is reasonable, because it assumes that enforcing The Rules is a good onto itself and that The Rules are a pertinent topic of discussion since they're implicit in every thread. moderation is supposed to make the forum better and funnier; when it does not accomplish this and rather makes it worse and more tedious, it is bad moderation.
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exmarx posted:there's no point ramping this kind of minor rule infraction there is if you actually want people to stop doing it V. Illych L. posted:The Rules are not some immutable and idealised thing that must be obeyed. legal positivism is bad enough when it comes to actual law and justice, it has absolutely no place in moderating the communism thread on an internet forum lol here's the thing, though. casual use of slurs in the communism thread of all places also makes the forums worse. even if all of the offender's backup dancers show up and make an enormous show of crying and moaning and tearing at their clothes because he can't use slurs for upwards of a week, that is still better than the alternative of the normalization of ableism. it is of course worse than those people just calming down and being adults about it, but sometimes you have to choose between bad options Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Apr 28, 2021 08:55
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i dont like to say the word and will not, and generally think people shouldn't, but there comes a point where the tail has to wag the dog or w/e. at some point a rule becomes ungovernable if there isnt popular support for it. its a bummer if most of cspam disagrees but its probably worth looking into figuring out if the (relatively disparate) cspam posting populace thinks it should still be a rule or not
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Apr 28, 2021 08:58
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Varinn posted:i dont like to say the word and will not, and generally think people shouldn't, but there comes a point where the tail has to wag the dog or w/e. at some point a rule becomes ungovernable if there isnt popular support for it. its a bummer if most of cspam disagrees but its probably worth looking into figuring out if the (relatively disparate) cspam posting populace thinks it should still be a rule or not if it's a rule, then punish everyone and not just larry imo
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Apr 28, 2021 09:03
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Cspam users unable to stop calling their peers retards. Unfortunately, we may never be able to understand why...
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Apr 28, 2021 09:05
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Ferrinus posted:there is if you actually want people to stop doing it then probe and move on. managing the fallout is part of the modding process. rules which may be good in the abstract can be bad when enforced. i sincerely do not think that a poster calling people retards is worse in the long term than this nonsense.
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Apr 28, 2021 09:08
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I'm fine with the r word being a probatable offense, independent of my opinions on the moderation staff more broadly
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Apr 28, 2021 09:08
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Varinn posted:i dont like to say the word and will not, and generally think people shouldn't, but there comes a point where the tail has to wag the dog or w/e. at some point a rule becomes ungovernable if there isnt popular support for it. its a bummer if most of cspam disagrees but its probably worth looking into figuring out if the (relatively disparate) cspam posting populace thinks it should still be a rule or not that's entirely true, and some kind of sustained forumswide (or even just forumwide) revolt in favor of "retard" as a pejorative would basically force the mods to back down or else render the forum itself inoperable. (it's kind of like how no government ACTUALLY rules through fear alone or something, to gesture at the thread topic) however, i don't think this is actually happening and instead there's just a small whiny clique that mostly doesn't post here to start with but won't shut the gently caress up
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the point being, if a bunch of people are going to come in and complain about a decision and its propriety etc you should make absolutely sure that there's a real point in making the decision. this decision was bad, and it was very predictably bad because an unpopular mod did an unpopular thing and then turned the thread into "let's talk about modding for several pages" instead of what it's actually about. regardless of the merit of the rule being enforced, this is a bad outcome
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Apr 28, 2021 09:10
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V. Illych L. posted:then probe and move on. managing the fallout is part of the modding process. i'm sure you don't, but that is a political decision, not a practical one. funnily enough this actually does loop back around to the question of identity and organizing. who are we willing to throw under the bus? when we throw people under the bus, are we defying or reproducing bourgeois ideology?
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Homeless Friend posted:Cspam users unable to stop calling their peers retards. Unfortunately, we may never be able to understand why... read a post about a goon who admitted he always thought this is what "hard r" referred to and had to do some really tough reminiscing about old conversations lmao
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Ferrinus posted:i'm sure you don't, but that is a political decision, not a practical one. funnily enough this actually does loop back around to the question of identity and organizing. who are we willing to throw under the bus? when we throw people under the bus, are we defying or reproducing bourgeois ideology? you're the one defending the application of bourgeois legal theory to forums moderation of all things, not me
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oh hey theres a new button at the top of the website jefferys done it again 
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V. Illych L. posted:the point being, if a bunch of people are going to come in and complain about a decision and its propriety etc you should make absolutely sure that there's a real point in making the decision. this decision was bad, and it was very predictably bad because an unpopular mod did an unpopular thing and then turned the thread into "let's talk about modding for several pages" instead of what it's actually about. regardless of the merit of the rule being enforced, this is a bad outcome you've done a bit of sleight of hand here, where "a bunch of people (are going to) come in and complain" somehow becomes "a mod turned the thread into 'let's talk about modding for several pages'". surely the correct narrative is that a bunch of people came in to do that, instead of, say, posting in QCS, or just hanging out wherever on the forums they're normally to be found. is it even a bunch of people? are this mod or this decision actually unpopular, as opposed to unpopular with a tiny clique? i feel like there's maybe five or six guys (and then one or two guys who hate those five or six guys) who barely-to-never post here who just happen to have filled up a bunch of pages by posting prolifically. and, frankly, who cares? it's just some pages in a thread, this poo poo costs nothing and goes by quickly V. Illych L. posted:you're the one defending the application of bourgeois legal theory to forums moderation of all things, not me i have expressly rejected the idea that the mods apply their punishments according to some exacting legalistic standard (while this is what precisely what lamb scam and others call for as "consistency", and attempt to probe the boundaries of immediately in response to any probation being handed out) and instead expect volunteer mods to act loosely and with discretion in the spirit of the community that they themselves are part of Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Apr 28, 2021 09:23
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my position on 'the r word' is that i'm not gonna use it, but it's a bad look when a mod probes someone for making fun of them
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Personally I'm of the opinion that it's only a matter of time before someone says with a straight face that larry saying retard is not only him personally doing ableism but somehow also making it acceptable to wider society and when that happens they should be probated so harshly it forces them to go outside and actually do something useful for people instead of just like joining the DSA and arguing about the rules online or whatever they're currently doing instead
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Apr 28, 2021 09:39
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i freakin love reading about communism in the communism thread
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Slanderer posted:go gently caress yourself You're being very aggressive, calm down, just chill Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Apr 28, 2021 09:55
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Mr. Lobe posted:I'm fine with the r word being a probatable offense, independent of my opinions on the moderation staff more broadly
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Apr 28, 2021 10:41
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lmao people in the communism thread defending saying slurs, real solidarity you got there
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quote:You are kept apart that you may be separately fleeced of your earnings. You are made to hate each other because upon that hatred is rested the keystone of the arch of financial despotism which enslaves you both. You are deceived and blinded that you may not see how this antagonism perpetuates a monetary system which beggars both.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:lmao people in the communism thread defending saying slurs, real solidarity you got there Yeah we're defending a fellow poster against the mods
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