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Sankis
Mar 8, 2004

But I remember the fella who told me. Big lad. Arms as thick as oak trees, a stunning collection of scars, nice eye patch. A REAL therapist he was. Er wait. Maybe it was rapist?


We say that now but it's just a matter of time before it happens to be Lin or jimmy buffet

Jean truly was excellent,though.

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Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Lin and Jimmy teamed up to trick them into doing the red carpet episode.

So maybe we could get lucky again and get another S-rank episode from their involvement.

Xander B Coolridge
Sep 2, 2011
I maintain that Griffin is the funniest brother

But jesus christ it was nice to have an episode of mbmbam without 1/3 of the brothers consistently making GBS threads all over every bit that wasn't his

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

Yup, and I really appreciated Travis' extremely light mocking of Griffin in ep 420 about how he'll finally need to come up with a bit of his own with Yahoo! answers going away.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

This shit's about to go off.
Yahoo answers was his bit, and it was the most successful one the show has had

Roach Warehouse
Nov 1, 2010


I guess it’s time to bring back Monthly Observances.

inferis
Dec 30, 2003

his only bit is ibs now

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Yahoo is good but its not Riddle Me Piss

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

forums poster

Riddle me piss happens at the right cadence these days

VaultAggie
Nov 18, 2010

Best out of 71?
Tapping back into TAZ now that Grads done, what is that quiet zone game they mentioned in TTAZZ?

Android Blues
Nov 22, 2008

VaultAggie posted:

Tapping back into TAZ now that Grads done, what is that quiet zone game they mentioned in TTAZZ?

It's a game by Avery Alder, creator of Monsterhearts, where the players do collaborative world-building around the idea that they're describing a community (or a world) that's rebuilding after a major disaster.

Can find it here. Haven't played it myself but I've played a lot of her other work and she's a great designer.

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010

The Quiet Year rules. I've played it about 4 times, and it's just a fun way to pass an afternoon with some buds creatively.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





It sounds like they really want to get back to goofy goofs instead of the epic story from the get and I'm about it. Letting a story emerge organically like Balance did.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Did they seriously not credit Avery Alder for The Quiet Year?

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar

George H.W. oval office posted:

It sounds like they really want to get back to goofy goofs instead of the epic story from the get and I'm about it. Letting a story emerge organically like Balance did.

I desperately want them to play Magic Kitties Save the Day.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


DoctorWhat posted:

Did they seriously not credit Avery Alder for The Quiet Year?

They did not. Which is awful, cause Quiet Year is amazing.

I...don’t know if they learned their lesson from this last campaign. They need to get the gently caress away from D&D.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
They won't

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!
The Quiet Year is real fun and I wish my friends would play it with me more. :smith:

change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

Pollyanna posted:

They did not. Which is awful, cause Quiet Year is amazing.

I...don’t know if they learned their lesson from this last campaign. They need to get the gently caress away from D&D.

https://twitter.com/TheZoneCast/status/1387803050493059077

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
How many snarky and lovely tweets and emails do you think they get per mistake?

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

More than they probably deserve.

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010

people spend a lot of energy trying to poo poo on the people who mean well lol

a good chunk is obviously people trying to make a thing better but now they've just attracted a lot of folks who really don't honestly give a poo poo about anything but can smell 'acceptable targets' a mile away

like yo, they're gonna mention avery. obviously and if they didn't it still wouldn't have harmed her work, it just wouldn't have been quite what the creator deserved barring some insane world they didn't get to it y'know? It's good to! Absolutely, and I think if you're making a product off of this you're obliged to but still.

It's almost a shame Friends At The Table is so good because it's very easy to compare any other work to it and compile a list of sins. We know what good roleplaying podcasts CAN be in terms of doing things the right way it's just a shame this is the mechanism people think is the way to get it.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Shinjobi posted:

How many snarky and lovely tweets and emails do you think they get per mistake?

Even tiny podcasts will have plenty of people act like that over tiny, inconsequential mistakes (and god help you if you make a tiny factual mistake while cracking a throwaway joke) so I can only imagine that it's impossible to count for a big name podcast.

Soup du Jour
Sep 8, 2011

I always knew I'd die with a headache.

I am gobsmacked at the amount of “do better. how dare you credit this person in a previously recorded podcast that hasn’t been released and not in the one I’m currently listening to. this is monstrous.” reactions

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Twitter: the public apology platform.

Twitter: the hateposting capitol of the world.

This is a problem and keeps the Mcelroys trapped in fandom hell.

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

It is wild listening to TTAZZ while having dropped graduation before Mission Imp Hospital. They're discussing things that sound like fake events for a joke because I never listened to that episode. Having listened to so many bits where they bullshit something as being real when the joke is that it isn't and would be ridiculous, hearing things like "a lot of influence came from the death of the firbolg's father is loving wild

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

It did? I don’t remember it really coming back up again after it happened.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

WE MUST RETURN TO THE DANCE! THE NIGHT IS OURS!

thecluckmeme posted:

It is wild listening to TTAZZ while having dropped graduation before Mission Imp Hospital. They're discussing things that sound like fake events for a joke because I never listened to that episode. Having listened to so many bits where they bullshit something as being real when the joke is that it isn't and would be ridiculous, hearing things like "a lot of influence came from the death of the firbolg's father is loving wild

That's exactly where I dropped out and probably quite a few. And yea this is the first TTAZZ I've listened to since and I appreciate how open Travis is accepting a lot of it didn't work but man I cant imagine how difficult it is to run a campaign when not only are you fairly new to it, but you have to contend with assholes on social media as well as the pressure of trying to match the quality of a previous thing that was universally loved.

Anyway this podcast has made me respect Travis a lot more. I wasn't a fan of his run but I think there were a lot of good ideas there that maybe just didn't fit the format well or needed a more experienced DM and he graciously accepts that.

I also appreciate Griffin saying they need to get back to a more organic, less long form big picture narrative focused podcast where they're just having fun playing DnD, that's where they shine.

Hustle Hound
Oct 21, 2012

all is known

Just Chamber posted:

I also appreciate Griffin saying they need to get back to a more organic, less long form big picture narrative focused podcast where they're just having fun playing DnD, that's where they shine.

i didn't listen to the episode but i heard actually he said they were only doing DnD 5e from now until the end of time because, and i quote "us mcelroys never learn any lessons about anything." i also heard they're cancelling the run of the balance graphic novels to start adapting graduation as soon as possible

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010

im glad my roleplaying isn't a product for consumption of the public, I'll tell you that much

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k

Hustle Hound posted:

i didn't listen to the episode but i heard actually he said they were only doing DnD 5e from now until the end of time because, and i quote "us mcelroys never learn any lessons about anything." i also heard they're cancelling the run of the balance graphic novels to start adapting graduation as soon as possible

:hmmyes:

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

WE MUST RETURN TO THE DANCE! THE NIGHT IS OURS!

From reddit

quote:


I really wanted them to discuss their depictions of colonialism, inclusion, and attempts at diversity on TTAZZ. They didn't. I really hope they hire a diversity consultant next year like on Dimension 20, FATT, NADDPOD, or countless other successful RPG podcasts.
Graduation
I wasn't personally hurt by Travis's exploration of diverse characters... at first.

No need to go into more detail there, because what I really wanted was some discussion of it from the cast. I didn't get it at all. It makes me worry that they learned nothing from it.

I really hope they hire a consultant or lean on their many connections for next season instead of just doing what "seems right"!


Now I didn't listen to most of Graduation but is this really warrented? Was there anything there that calls for this or is it just a case of Reddit being Reddit?

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010

an enterprise of their size could do with consultation. a lot of stuff is just improv and that's cool, but you got planned characters of representation you don't have a good grasp on? why NOT consult someone who knows their poo poo on it.

is it warranted? well I'm not aggrieved so it doesn't really matter what I think.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
250% reddit being reddit liking the brothers but wishing they were somehow different people at the same time

Empty Sandwich
Apr 22, 2008

goatse mugs
a friend of mine spent some time in a monastery. (he was fleeing criminal charges, but eventually returned and got sentenced to house arrest, except at the monastery. monastery arrest.)

at the time, the monks kept egg chickens. said chickens were free-range and treated well and fed good food. nonetheless, PETA protested the operation so loudly and constantly that the monks shut down all egg production, leaving their former customers to buy grocery-store eggs from the giant corporate egg farmers who treat their chickens like poo poo.

anyway, that's what I think about Twitter.

Empty Sandwich
Apr 22, 2008

goatse mugs

Hustle Hound posted:

i didn't listen to the episode but i heard actually he said they were only doing DnD 5e from now until the end of time because, and i quote "us mcelroys never learn any lessons about anything." i also heard they're cancelling the run of the balance graphic novels to start adapting graduation as soon as possible

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


People suck and social media is not an exception.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

WE MUST RETURN TO THE DANCE! THE NIGHT IS OURS!

Apparently there's beef with the firbolg because he's apparently influenced by native Americans? I never really got that at all. Doesn't that sort of cover any creature at one with nature so all druids etc would need a native consultant? Also there was a disabled character and that was handled poorly?

Definetly feels like a lovely situation if you're trying to have a lot of diverse characters in your fictional podcast.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

Hold that pose.
I've gotta get something.
I bet the boys could probably afford to have a guest or 2 on for every arc if they're really concerned about diversity and representation. They all have connections enough at this point that they could probably find someone pretty easily each rotation.

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Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

WE MUST RETURN TO THE DANCE! THE NIGHT IS OURS!

^ well diversity in guests is different altogether.

Apparently the beef with the wheelchair character was that they awkwardly banged their wheelchair into something.

And also according to someone in that thread (who is pro consultant) just having someone happen to be disabled isn't good enough and that unless the disability serves a purpose then they say don't include them at all. Like so does the fact they're diverse need to always be a plot point and constantly pointed out and built on? Shouldn't we be at a point where actually the fact that someone is black or disabled etc is just casually mentioned as part of a brief descriptor and the story moves on as normal and it's handled that way?

Don't get me wrong I see the need for consultants when you DO want to make the person's diversity a key part of your show or go into their heritage and explore the culture etc.

Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Apr 29, 2021

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