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KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Absurd Alhazred posted:

He doesn't seem to think so:


Although this could, itself, be some kind of wacky maneuver. I'm starting to get flashbacks to the Women's Equality Party he set up for the explicit purpose of messing with WFP when he didn't like that they endorsed (then desperately backed out of endorsing because of that all important ballot line) Zephyr Teachout for governor in 2014.

Realize Cuomo has since kind of power over the legislature, even if the IDC is dead, I guess the only hope is that the AG is lookong to head hunt to propel her name in NY politics to get a shot at being governor. Instead of this just being theater for us top just clouds up why nothing will happen abd Cuomo will keep on winning reelection. Love how healthy the American political system is

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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Every single communication from these people and their various unions convinces me that they're overpaid.

https://twitter.com/NYCPDDEA/status/1386812200774508547

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

lmfao cool

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




wish it had been a katana

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Every single communication from these people and their various unions convinces me that they're overpaid.

https://twitter.com/NYCPDDEA/status/1386812200774508547

Why was he "attacked" right as they were filming? Why does the guy seem in no hurry to run away? Why does the detective appear to be having a heart attack after a light tap on the head from a plastic rod?

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

Gather the wind
Though the wind won't help you fly at all

...is he even in any way identifiable as an NYPD officer? Like he's just a fat old white dude in a Performance Fleece writing on a clipboard

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

betaraywil posted:

...is he even in any way identifiable as an NYPD officer? Like he's just a fat old white dude in a Performance Fleece writing on a clipboard

It says NYPD on the back in giant letters. You can see it when he turns.

edit:

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

Gather the wind
Though the wind won't help you fly at all

Hm. Guess his story checks out then. My bad everybody!

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

betaraywil posted:

Hm. Guess his story checks out then. My bad everybody!

Nah, video is still phony as hell.

But that isn’t why.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
All the NYPD officers with any kind of theatrical talent have been lured away by the various L&Os.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
y'all i'm doing the NY State citizen public health leader training that they partnered with Cornell to facilitate (I think I mentioned this in the Discord?) and let me know if you see anything here that they're missing lmao

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
mask wearing is not population wide

quarantine is not population wide

vaccination is not population wide

these people call themselves public health professionals and have so many more initials than I do after their names

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Every single communication from these people and their various unions convinces me that they're overpaid.

https://twitter.com/NYCPDDEA/status/1386812200774508547

overpaid, because they are.

https://twitter.com/syracusedotcom/status/1387160906795261955

quote:

The audit was sparked by a Syracuse.com | The Post-Standard investigation in September that reported on the practice of sending officers home to avoid work but paying them for those hours to be on call.

Police department officials refused to say how much the practice cost, so Syracuse.com estimated it and found that the policy cost taxpayers at least $225,000. The audit found the policy cost $293,423.

After the article, city lawmakers requested Auditor Nader Maroun to review the policy.

Maroun’s audit, released Monday, found:

• While officers were paid to be home on call, other officers were called in to fill overtime shifts.

• Auditors found it was not possible to efficiently find out how often officers were paid overtime to fill shifts. It would have cost 150 hours of police department employees’ time to figure out the cost because of the department’s “antiquated” time-keeping system.

• The policy of paying people to stay home was never put into writing and still hasn’t been written down.

• There is no evidence the mayor or the deputy mayor were consulted on the policy change.

• The Common Council, which was not told about the policy change, should have been informed before the policy was implemented.

• The police chief was remiss in not developing other socially distanced assignments for officers instead of sending them home.

• There is no evidence that the policy was any more effective in preventing the spread of covid than other available changes in the workplace.

• The police department needs to consult with the Onondaga County Health Department and/or other health experts on public health issues.

RadiRoot has issued a correction as of 04:47 on Apr 28, 2021

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

oops stringer's a sexpest!

https://gothamist.com/news/former-campaign-intern-accuses-scott-stringer-sexual-harassment

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Sounds like he can't comptrol himself

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

quote:

Stringer pushed back on Kim’s characterization as an unpaid intern, saying instead that she was a “peer” on the campaign and that they had a consensual relationship. “We had an on-and-off relationship over a few months. I was 40, and she was 31,” Stringer said.

So, uh, the best case scenario for Stringer here is he was a 40 year old dude sleeping with his workplace subordinates? That's, uh, not optimistic...


Edit: uuummm waaaaaaaaaaat??


quote:

Asked if Kim was the only campaign volunteer with whom he had a relationship, Stringer said, “To the best of my knowledge.”

mrmcd has issued a correction as of 22:25 on Apr 28, 2021

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

mrmcd posted:

Edit: uuummm waaaaaaaaaaat??

oooooooooof

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.





mrmcd posted:

So, uh, the best case scenario for Stringer here is he was a 40 year old dude sleeping with his workplace subordinates? That's, uh, not optimistic...


Edit: uuummm waaaaaaaaaaat??

Where's that quote from?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/04/jean-kim-says-scott-stringer-repeatedly-groped-me.html

Leon Sumbitches has issued a correction as of 22:57 on Apr 28, 2021

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

hope morales can surge from this, shes the only one with a respectable platform and now people can't lean on stringer's "experience" to pretend he's a remotely left-leaning candidate. or he'll stay in the race, gently caress it, nobody has any public accountability to sexual assault so he probably won't drop out.

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).


https://gothamist.com/news/scott-stringer-denies-sexual-abuse-accusations-mayoral-rivals-call-him-withdraw-race

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

Gather the wind
Though the wind won't help you fly at all

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Sounds like he can't comptrol himself

See, this here's the difference between a quip and a bon mot

Ed. We did it!
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/nypd-robot-dog-backlash.html

quote:

In response to a subpoena from City Councilman Ben Kallos and Council Speaker Corey Johnson requesting records related to the device, police officials said that a contract worth roughly $94,000 to lease the robotic dog from its maker, Boston Dynamics, had been terminated on April 22. ... In an interview, Mr. Miller said the lease had been scheduled to end in August and that the police had planned to test the robotic dog’s capabilities until then.

So that's $100,000 for 6 months. Great toy dipshits.

Ed. of ed. Oh no, dumber than that: https://twitter.com/phara4assembly/status/1387723862398443522?s=20

betaraywil has issued a correction as of 15:38 on Apr 29, 2021

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Big ol' long read

https://twitter.com/RossBarkan/status/1387940522833100801

quote:

The best way to understand Andrew Yang, municipal Democrat, is to imagine Michael Bloomberg without billions of dollars—and with far more sympathy for the left wing of the Democratic Party. Yang’s top consultant is Bradley Tusk, Bloomberg’s former campaign manager. Tusk, a multimillionaire, waged war against the de Blasio administration, successfully forcing Uber’s entry into the five boroughs, allowing for-hire vehicles to clog city streets and decimate the yellow taxi industry, spurring a rash of suicides among immigrant drivers. Uber’s business model is borderline fraudulent, relying on endless venture capital cash to price rides at an artificially low rate, and perfectly encapsulates the Big Tech ethos that Tusk and his allies celebrate. (Let’s pause here to note that many Democrats cheered on Uber’s invasion of New York, including Scott Stringer.) Tusk is very open about his disdain for progressive Democrats and his wish to wrench the party in a more neoliberal direction. His firm, which also lobbies the city, has consulted for the PBA, the reactionary union representing NYPD officers, and his dislike of the teachers’ union has bled into Yang’s campaign. Tusk’s significant financial interests in casino gambling very well could have influenced Yang’s bizarre and unworkable idea to place a casino on Governor’s Island.

[...]Right now, Tusk is not a top 20 lobbying shop in New York City. Expect that to change if Yang wins, as real estate developers and other powerful interests seek out those lobbyists who have the ear of the new mayor. Given that Tusk’s employees also have close ties to Corey Johnson, the front-running candidate for city comptroller, the next eight years could be very lush for the firm.

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Yang is often presented, on the left, as a revanchist neoliberal, the kind of Democrat who will open New York’s hen house to Bloombergian wolves. On one hand, this is understandable, because it is undeniable Bloomberg veterans will have much more of an opportunity to influence this City Hall than they did under de Blasio.

But the activist left, in their fatalism, do miss a crucial point. Yang is not Bloomberg because Yang does not possess world-historical wealth. Yang is a Manhattan renter who sends a son to public school and may have made a few million bucks a while ago. Bloomberg could buy and sell what Yang is worth—and the rest of us—billions and billions of times over. [...]

Bloomberg altered the political gravity of New York like few men in history. With his billions, he bought the silence of untold numbers of activists, advocacy groups, cultural organizations, and special interests that got noisy again once de Blasio became mayor.

quote:

Here we come to Yang. To hear the broad left, on Twitter at least, bemoan Yang is to wonder whether the apocalypse is really upon us. Yang is fundamentally a moderate, “normie” Democrat with some intriguing left impulses. He is against defunding the police, but you won’t get a defund mayor as long as the middle class Black and Latino voters of Brooklyn and Queens don’t want one. Dianne Morales probably isn’t winning the race and if you really think Stringer or Wiley, facing down this electorate, will enact deep NYPD cuts at a time gun violence is spiking, I’ve got a Governor’s Island casino to sell you. Yang’s flirtation with cracking down on street vendors, as concerning as it is, will probably be negated by the City Council’s expansion of licenses, which Yang says he supports. There will probably be no lasting reforms of the NYPD—it will remain the highly-militarized citadel that it is—which will be of great disappointment to the left.[...]

A Yang mayoralty, like a Stringer or Wiley mayoralty, would probably come to resemble what we saw under de Blasio: deference to police leadership, a few very high profile and controversial police incidents, and an incremental approach to reform that manages to anger progressives and moderates alike.

quote:

Education, for leftists and various reformers, presents more reasons to oppose Yang. He does not support eliminating the SHSAT, the standardized test used for New York’s specialized high schools.[...]

But let’s talk about what’s really going on here. Currently, there is no chance the SHSAT is eliminated for the “big three”—Brooklyn Tech, Stuyvesant, and the Bronx High School of Science—because that requires approval from the state legislature. Democrats don’t want to go anywhere near the issue. John Liu, the state senator who chairs the city education committee, is against striking the test, and his colleagues have his back. Many of the mayoral candidates would get nowhere on this. Yang won’t even try.[...]

[...]Most city neighborhoods, with a few exceptions, are integrated enough to produce schools that would not be exclusively one or two races. A zoned Astoria school, Flatbush school, or Bay Ridge/Sunset Park school could easily mix kids together. Yang won’t do this. And it’s not a fight the more cautious Stringer or Wiley would be expected to take on. Morales stands apart, but Morales is still polling in the single-digits.

quote:

Whatever you think of Yang’s ideas—from the admirable, like a public bank and cash transfer proposal modeled on a successful program in Stockton, California, to the misguided, including a tax break for working in-person—the reality of his City Hall is that it would have to play by the existing rules of politics. As Matt Thomas pointed out, Yang is guaranteed to welcome some sleazy and dubious local business tycoons into the fold who pitch him destructive ideas. But unlike Bloomberg, the left can easily organize against all of that. Yang will be a conventional Democrat, like de Blasio, and he will not have an endless reserve of money to draw from. He will not be able to bludgeon anyone. It’s possible, even, that he farms out the day-to-day governance of City Hall to one of his mayoral rivals, like Kathryn Garcia, who led Sanitation and NYCHA for de Blasio.

quote:

The City Council, come 2022, is guaranteed to be the most left-wing in New York history. As many as six DSA members may sit in the chamber, along with many Democrats who agree with DSA on a vast majority of issues and will want to mimic their politics to avoid a primary challenge. With the outer borough Democratic machines severely weakened, the next speaker will be repeatedly challenged from the left—if he or she doesn’t just end up being one of their own. The state legislature, for perhaps the first time in modern history, will operate to the left of the sitting mayor. Democrats hold supermajorities in both chambers.

In the Assembly and Senate, there are young, charismatic leftists with their own large social media followings and ability to command conventional press attention. They just steamrolled Cuomo in the state budget negotiations. Mayor Yang could meekly ask them to raise the charter cap and they’d tell him to scram. Yang might be against taxing the rich, but Democrats in Albany can do it without him. After decades of city progressives being caged in by laws that gave the state great power over city affairs, a new dynamic will emerge, with a lack of local control working in the left’s favor. If Yang lunges in any disturbing directions, there will be senators, assembly members, and city council members to check him. It’ll be their New York too.

quote:

Yang wasn’t an anti-labor presidential candidate, though Tusk and the Bloomberg acolytes who might populate City Hall would rather these unions weaken or disappear altogether. Labor knows better, though; they haven’t endorsed Yang, but they probably aren’t readying massive independent expenditures against him either. Why? He doesn’t have Bloomberg’s billions. Bloomberg could defy organized labor because his wealth insulated him from their pressure. Wealth is its own political machine.

Yang will be ordinary, another elected official trying to placate interest groups that can make his life extraordinarily difficult. He will have to bargain with Mike Mulgrew, Harry Nespoli, Henry Garrido, and all the rest. Labor, like the broader left, will be well-positioned to apply great pressure on a Yang City Hall. If Yang attempts to stiff them or curtail public spending in a significant way, there will be a united left-labor front against him, because he won’t be able to triangulate like Cuomo, pitting the interests of public and private sector unions against each other. And if local media coverage is any indication, there won’t be a groundswell of adoring press to buttress him. From day one, the fight will be pitched.

quote:

On Wednesday, as Stringer denied he sexually assaulted a former campaign volunteer, Yang released his affordable housing plan. For a leftist who dreams of a social democratic New York City that decommodifies housing and saps the strength of predatory landlords, Yang’s proposal left much to be desired. But in the context of what Democrats have pitched over the last 20 years, it had a lot to recommend. His goal of hitting 250,000 affordable housing units over eight years, if reached, would exceed what de Blasio accomplished. He wants to fight back against the ability of a single City Council member to kill a rezoning because it happens to occur in their district. He would legalize single-room occupancy units, which gave millions of poor New Yorkers an affordable way to live in Manhattan for decades, and accessory dwelling units. He would end mandatory parking minimums, which fed the car culture.

If Yang pursues citywide rezonings rather than the neighborhood-by-neighborhood piecemeal plans favored by de Blasio and Bloomberg, he could go much further, circumventing the opposition of those opposed to any kind of new construction. It is, all the way, a YIMBY plan, but if Yang is pursues upzonings in wealthier neighborhoods, there is nothing wrong with that. The problem with traditional rezonings has been how they price out poorer residents and spur on gentrification; upzoning areas with higher incomes, like SoHo, will help avoid those struggles. New York needs universal rent control and socialized housing. If a mayor won’t deliver on those goals, building more housing is the consolation prize.

quote:

Yang does not represent a break from the post-1970s status quo: all mayors, from Koch onward, have made it their primary mission to make New York attractive to wealthy investors, heavily relying on tax revenue from Wall Street and pursuing policies to benefit that engine of uneven growth, real estate. Police are well-funded, in part, to safeguard capital. This is what neoliberalism is and Yang will not be any kind of departure from that reality. But no one, outside of Morales, promises a return to the pre-Crisis social democratic city.

The threat of Yang, which should be taken seriously, is that he would begin to privatize certain segments of government, welcome outside philanthropy that could function as de facto quid pro quo, and potentially seek reductions to social services if his aides push him to do so. What’s important to understand, if Yang makes it to City Hall, is that none of this is a fait accompli.

This has got to be the longest article that takes the prospect of a Yang mayorship seriously and analyzes what might actually happen. I didn't even embed most of the links in the article.

tl;dr - "Tusk would probably be the new BerlinRosen", Yang is more of a normie Democrat than people think, he will be constrained by a leftist City Council, labor unions can probably pressure him, he's much poorer than Bloomberg and won't be able to buy his way through like Bloomy did, his housing plan is promising, the sober truth is that most of the other candidates except for Morales are little better than Yang on a lot of these issues.

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

But also he's annoying as gently caress.

99 CENTS AMIGO
Jul 22, 2007
I think it’s a pretty good (and fatalistic) analysis. Yang is a dilettante moron and will get steamrolled by most everyone, but he’ll have enough control of the administrative state to stymie reform that we’ve run out of time to implement.

but also lmao look who the president is so “steamrolled by people to his left but it’s not enough” is probably the best we’ll get AND an improvement

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

Maximo Roboto posted:

Big ol' long read

https://twitter.com/RossBarkan/status/1387940522833100801










This has got to be the longest article that takes the prospect of a Yang mayorship seriously and analyzes what might actually happen. I didn't even embed most of the links in the article.

tl;dr - "Tusk would probably be the new BerlinRosen", Yang is more of a normie Democrat than people think, he will be constrained by a leftist City Council, labor unions can probably pressure him, he's much poorer than Bloomberg and won't be able to buy his way through like Bloomy did, his housing plan is promising, the sober truth is that most of the other candidates except for Morales are little better than Yang on a lot of these issues.

This is a much long-winded version of the optimistic leftist case for Yang that I flirted with at the beginning of primary season before settling on deciding he sucks too much for me to be optimistic. But the shorter version of said optimistic case is: In the absence of a strong mayors office that can actually accomplish something anyway, we have little to lose by rolling the dice on someone who, at the minimum, is generally willing to gently caress around and find out with an interesting idea.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

is it compelling enough to rank Yang 5, if just to keep Adams out?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
https://twitter.com/alexkotch/status/1387780885764771845

garrrrrbage

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)


sounds pretty bad for addicts, giving them enough cash to buy more drugs but then getting rid of the homeless services so they have nowhere safe to go after they've spent their UBI

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




with 2000 dollars they can rent a room at the plaza for a weekend so problem solved forever

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china
the homeless can pool their resources and have hotel parties every weekend

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Fleetwood posted:

the homeless can pool their resources and have hotel parties every weekend

Get a AirBnB using a fake account that claims it's a rich family visiting from France!

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

Gather the wind
Though the wind won't help you fly at all


"Private philanthropy" is the laugh-line right

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Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
hmmm *looks at New York real estate* I know where we can resolve inefficiencies!


Social programs!

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

lol

https://twitter.com/danarubinstein/status/1387962891433877511

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


a guy leafleting for ray mcguire stopped me in my hall. i had to leave, but said i couldn't remember who ray mcguire was at that moment, and I was told he is "the black candidate" and "lots of rappers support him"

i asked "wasn't he a cop?" and the campaign volunteer said "no, he was on wall street." I said i didn't think ray was my guy

great ground game, ray, in ocasio-cortez's district

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

new Barkan

https://twitter.com/RossBarkan/status/1389351820171087873

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
https://twitter.com/danarubinstein/status/1391851109417947144

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


so I’m voting for Diane morales right

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

yeah she's my #1, still trying to figure out if it's even worth putting Wiley 2nd or just leaving the one choice.

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Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

In Training posted:

yeah she's my #1, still trying to figure out if it's even worth putting Wiley 2nd or just leaving the one choice.

Not filling out your full ballot is dumb. Your 2-5 literally do not count unless and until it is mathematically impossible for your #1 to win. Even if #5 is “well, I guess I’d rather a moron than a cop” tiebreaker participation.

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