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Baronjutter posted:Also you stupid fucks keep voting with your wallets that current paradox policy is good. Actually I bought these 20,000 copies of Leviathan as a long-term investment
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Going to sell Johan's deleted apology as an NFT.
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V for Vegas posted:Going to sell Johan's deleted apology as an NFT. He apologized and then deleted it?
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Farecoal posted:He apologized and then deleted it? Pump it up! Do it! posted:Corpo-speak apology time: It was so obviously bullshit that even he couldn't keep it up.
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Let's start a thread in QCS to get Jeffrey to purchase a majority stake in Paradox with his bitcoin wealth. The board of directors will be: Chairman: A Buttery Pastry Vice chairman:Groogy Member: AAAAA! Real Muenster Member: Koramei Member: Baronjutter EU4 will never receive a broken patch ever again.
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To anyone who has seen Johan post before, that apology was very obviously not written by him. They probably realized it would be appear disingenuous to post a blatant PR-written apology through his personal forum account. I can't think of any other reason why they'd delete it.
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guidoanselmi posted:
Let's see, the news is just starting to trickle into the stock news about the terrible reception and lack of handling about it from Paradox. I would hope that there is some sort of official announcement today since what we have seen so far have only been the terrible apology by Johan which was removed - and some half-assed apologies on twitter and talk about what a swell guy Johan is by Fredrik Wester.
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It looks like OMX was only open for 4 hours today and is going to be closed for the weekend. Who knows where the stock will end up
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So I've spent a lot of time in the f1 thread so I can't tell if you are being serious. Did a patch for EU4 cause the company to implode?
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Grevlek posted:So I've spent a lot of time in the f1 thread so I can't tell if you are being serious.
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Grevlek posted:So I've spent a lot of time in the f1 thread so I can't tell if you are being serious. No, though it did make the community implode. Paradox published a patch and expansion for EU4 that was busted beyond belief, buggy even by Paradox standards. By even Old Paradox standards. That said, their stock will probably be fine in the immediate term. I wouldn't expect anything notable to happen on that front unless they release an earnings report that indicates that this cost them a lot of money somehow (something we can't say will even happen at this point). Even if everyone refunds the expansion and the sales go to poo poo, it's just an expansion for a years-old game. I doubt even that would move the needle much for investors.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:No, though it did make the community implode. CK3 is pretty well received, and the recent Stellaris DLC and patch are noticeably bug free (relatively). Even Imperator gets some grudging recognition as being no longer in a terrible state. Yes, EUIV just had a patch that made people compare it to SotS2, but as an investor, that wouldn't make me abandon the company, considering the state of the other IPs.
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Torrannor posted:CK3 is pretty well received, and the recent Stellaris DLC and patch are noticeably bug free (relatively). The Stellaris patch had a big population growth change that was pretty negatively received and is being walked back in a point patch. Not really a remarkable development but I wouldn't say it was a smooth release. It's not getting as much heat as Leviathan, but it's getting the usual Paradox DLC negative review bomb.
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Torrannor posted:CK3 is pretty well received, and the recent Stellaris DLC and patch are noticeably bug free (relatively). Even Imperator gets some grudging recognition as being no longer in a terrible state. Yes, EUIV just had a patch that made people compare it to SotS2, but as an investor, that wouldn't make me abandon the company, considering the state of the other IPs. Yeah, if I were an investor I would be much more concerned if this happened to CK3 instead. Not to downplay EU4 since it's still my favorite paradox game, but I think even if the absolute worst case happens and everyone drops EU4 for good, investors would probably just call for EU5 to happen sooner. (as a non-investor, i am calling for this too, though it seems paradox wants to teethe the new barcelona studio on EU4 for a while longer) Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Re: Unionization and Tintopdxjohan posted:Tinto has a CBA as well.
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Cease to Hope posted:The Stellaris patch had a big population growth change that was pretty negatively received and is being walked back in a point patch. Not really a remarkable development but I wouldn't say it was a smooth release. It's not getting as much heat as Leviathan, but it's getting the usual Paradox DLC negative review bomb. come on. it's not being walked back and representing it that way is kind of disingenuous. did you think that just because they released the patch with the numbers tuned a particular way that they were completely committed to those numbers? the underlying system is not changing at all. and frankly all of the rest of the patch & DLC changes are objectively good, which is not really the norm for stellaris. it's one of the best major releases they've had for that game. the "usual" negative review bomb doesn't even register to pdox by now i'm sure. it's generally very random which DLCs get hit by it and it's rare for the rating to stay bad for very long. leviathan on the other hand will still be poorly rated at the heat death of the universe
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Cease to Hope posted:The Stellaris patch had a big population growth change that was pretty negatively received and is being walked back in a point patch. Not really a remarkable development but I wouldn't say it was a smooth release. It's not getting as much heat as Leviathan, but it's getting the usual Paradox DLC negative review bomb. The people that were upset over the growth change are still morons, but no matter how badly received the growth changes were, you could undo the part that really irked players with a single line change, and mods to do just that were out within a day. Apart from that, even the espionage system that was seen with a lot of skepticism mostly gets a stamp of "it's actually not terrible". And the overall economic changes are great. That's no comparison to rulers suddenly having stat scores in the millions, the game crashing if you visit a specific interface while the map is over Indonesia, or EUIV basically making your safe file unplayable (as in, it can't be played since there are suddenly no nations anymore) while also erasing your autosaves (as happened to a big EU streamer live on twitch!). People are not clamoring to get refunds for Nemesis, in contrast to EUIV Leviathan. Edit: And as the poster above me said, the pop growth changes are not walked back, since the general system remains roughly the same, just the relatively hard soft cap on total empire population was made not quite so hard. Torrannor fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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I imagine there's a gigagillion people still chugging along with CK/HOI/Stellaris who have no idea Leviathan happened and never willA Buttery Pastry posted:Let's start a thread in QCS to get Jeffrey to purchase a majority stake in Paradox with his bitcoin wealth. submitting my resume for coder: 1. edited HoI unit names in notepad in 2006
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I imagine there's a gigagillion people still chugging along with CK/HOI/Stellaris who have no idea Leviathan happened and never will
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guidoanselmi posted:
It's like Mass Effect 3's ending though. You don't see all of the negative effects of a bad release until the next release, which tanks because everyone remembers what a shitshow the last thing they bought from you ended up being.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:is the paradox user base really demanding constant and steady releases of content over intermittent but polished releases though Edgar Allen Ho posted:both is the vibe i get tbh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGsHq-mZI8U
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Gort posted:It's like Mass Effect 3's ending though. You don't see all of the negative effects of a bad release until the next release, which tanks because everyone remembers what a shitshow the last thing they bought from you ended up being. if paradox has any competition, maybe, but this is the game people sink two thousand hours on for eight years because what else is there
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I imagine there's a gigagillion people still chugging along with CK/HOI/Stellaris who have no idea Leviathan happened and never will That would be me. I haven't touched EU4 in several years. I just noticed the steam reviews at 9% and came here to see what was up.
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Gamerofthegame posted:if paradox has any competition, maybe, but this is the game people sink two thousand hours on for eight years because what else is there I'm a huge Paradox gamer but I don't buy every DLC. I have hundreds of hours in Stellaris and I don't have Lithoids or Necroids 'cause neither of them really spoke to me. Likewise with Hearts of Iron 4 and Battle For The Bosporus. There's also the, "buy at launch or buy on sale a year later" effect to consider
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I'm quite happy that I sold off my shares in the company yesterday that I have had since the IPO, since loving up one of their flagship IPs and then not even communicating is not what I would expect from a company of Paradox's size and I think the stock will drop more than the 6 % it has decreased this week. I thought originally that I would buy back in but unless they take some more drastic measures to ensure quality going forward I think I will stay out.
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Jazerus posted:come on. it's not being walked back and representing it that way is kind of disingenuous. did you think that just because they released the patch with the numbers tuned a particular way that they were completely committed to those numbers? the underlying system is not changing at all. and frankly all of the rest of the patch & DLC changes are objectively good, which is not really the norm for stellaris. it's one of the best major releases they've had for that game. I think the 3.0 patch is fine and people are overreacting but the fact is that it had a fairly significant negative response. That's not a good release in the sense that it's not positive press or public goodwill, even if I am enjoying Stellaris right now.
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Yeah if you think investors are blasé about a launch this horrible then idk what to say. I can guarantee that, especially for a business as focussed on DLC sales as Paradox is, loving up your reputation with two sequential poo poo launches, both of which had a year of dev time, is something that gets you yelled at.
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The Steam DLC reviews just seem like another part of pissing away all their goodwill. It's stupid nerd rage to react that way but I think the unhappiness with Pdox is real.
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Sampatrick posted:Yeah if you think investors are blasé about a launch this horrible then idk what to say. I can guarantee that, especially for a business as focussed on DLC sales as Paradox is, loving up your reputation with two sequential poo poo launches, both of which had a year of dev time, is something that gets you yelled at. Which two sequential poo poo launches are we talking about here?
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Torrannor posted:Which two sequential poo poo launches are we talking about here? Emperor wasn't as bad of a launch as Leviathan, but it was also absolutely riddled with bugs and nonfunctional features when it released.
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Sampatrick posted:Emperor wasn't as bad of a launch as Leviathan, but it was also absolutely riddled with bugs and nonfunctional features when it released. Ah, Emperor was the EUIV DLC before Leviathan? That also went badly? Yeah okay, that's definitely very worrying. I guess they do plan to go to EUV sometimes soonish? Of course the transition to CK3 was helped a lot by Holy Fury being one of the best DLCs CK2 ever had, everybody went with a lot of goodwill to the new game. The dev diaries also made people happy, I remember how excited we were when they were released. I don't know when they plan to come out with the fifth Europa Universalis game, but doing it on the back of one bad release and one catastrophic one won't be helpful at all.
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Torrannor posted:Ah, Emperor was the EUIV DLC before Leviathan? That also went badly? Yeah okay, that's definitely very worrying. Afaik, the communication from Paradox was that they were intending to release more DLC this year so development on EU5 probably hasn't even started yet. EU5 is also going to be the first game that Tinto has ever done and afaik a lot of the team is people from the community who don't have any experience actually developing a game as opposed to just modifying an existing one. I don't know who will end up lead developer but after Imperator, Emperor, and Leviathan I find it pretty unlikely Johan will end up in charge for EU5.
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They have also been pushing their new subscription service quite heavily with EUIV - I think these debacles mean that it will be on to a less than auspicious start. Furthermore, this was also the big launch of their new studio in Barcelona and supposed to build confidence in the Paradox Tinto brand that will handle the Europa Universalis IP going forward.
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Don't forget Stellaris mobile. And the disaster that is shaping up to be Vampire 2. Paradox has engaged in a fair bit of value destruction in its expansion efforts.
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Alchenar posted:Don't forget Stellaris mobile. And the disaster that is shaping up to be Vampire 2. Lmao I forgot about stellaris mobile
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Alchenar posted:Don't forget Stellaris mobile. And the disaster that is shaping up to be Vampire 2. The entirety of the White Wolf buyout has been disaster after disaster. It's not every day that an RPG book is so terrible that it causes an international incident.
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AnoHito posted:And even if Imperator is in a pretty good state now, it's already bled off basically all interest, which doesn't bode well for DLC sales. Hell, last I checked the numbers, Vicky 2 had more players. Pump it up! Do it! posted:They have also been pushing their new subscription service quite heavily with EUIV - I think these debacles mean that it will be on to a less than auspicious start. Furthermore, this was also the big launch of their new studio in Barcelona and supposed to build confidence in the Paradox Tinto brand that will handle the Europa Universalis IP going forward. 
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