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AnoHito posted:And even if Imperator is in a pretty good state now, it's already bled off basically all interest, which doesn't bode well for DLC sales. Hell, last I checked the numbers, Vicky 2 had more players. Speaking off, while clad in pr speak, it appears to be getting dumped https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/update-of-the-organization-at-pds.1471119/ Eu4 isn’t mentioned either but I assume its safe since it has its own studio
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Davincie posted:Speaking off, while clad in pr speak, it appears to be getting dumped Does that mean they're changing leads on ck3 and hoi4, or am I misreading?
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Apr 30, 2021 16:20
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Hoi4 gets the Gold team, that means Paradox has rightfully recognized that it's much more important than Green or Red, right?
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Big pdxcon announcement will be that this is all happening because V3 is close to release. It takes up 73 gigs and and CK3 tech allows unique portraits for each labourer, soldier, and capiatlist in your nation
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Apr 30, 2021 16:28
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Apr 30, 2021 16:30
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When is Vicky 3 never coming out?
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Dramicus posted:Hoi4 gets the Gold team, that means Paradox has rightfully recognized that it's much more important than Green or Red, right? PDS Gold was originally "Yellow" IIRC
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Apr 30, 2021 17:40
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boy the Vicky games sure do a have a hardcore fan base and a decent demand for a sequel. oh well better leave this money on the table
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Apr 30, 2021 17:59
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I wound up listening to the EU3 soundtrack again (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umFnrwGy2dw&t=352s) and oh man does this ever slap. Andreas Waldetoft is such a boss.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:boy the Vicky games sure do a have a hardcore fan base and a decent demand for a sequel. oh well better leave this money on the table Look, it will never work. After all, large swaths of otherwise interested players refuse to touch the series. They said something about it being outdated and lacking recent QoL features.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:boy the Vicky games sure do a have a hardcore fan base and a decent demand for a sequel. oh well better leave this money on the table
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really queer Christmas posted:Does that mean they're changing leads on ck3 and hoi4, or am I misreading? A Buttery Pastry posted:Let's start a thread in QCS to get Jeffrey to purchase a majority stake in Paradox with his bitcoin wealth.
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LordMune posted:PDS Gold was originally "Yellow" IIRC I hope that "Green", "Yellow", and "Red" aren't a reference to a traffic light and the amount of priority the games have.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:You are misreading. The people mentioned are heads of those *sudios*, not of the games. Podcat clarifies farther down that thread that was linked about it. Ah ok. I figured it was a case of "these people are running the business side not developing the games" but wasn't sure.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:boy the Vicky games sure do a have a hardcore fan base and a decent demand for a sequel. oh well better leave this money on the table Victoria 2 had 2.200 peak number of players on Steam. CK3 had almost 100.000 peak and almost 13.000 are playing it right now. EU4 had a peak of 48.000 and 20.000 poor souls are playing it right now. From 500.000 to 1.000.000 people own Victoria 2, most probably long after release on a discount. People say they want it, sure. A lot of people would even buy it. But from what I see it, Victoria 2 is great because a lot of parts of it are atrocious, and not many people are going to put up with this stuff. Victoria 2 trade and populace systems work because they're based on mysterious forces beyond your comprehension. Is there logic behind them? Here, see the needs and promotion paths of those Bavarian Artisans in Ulm, it all seems trustworthy. Look at the graph of cement prices. It all seems right so it probably works. There are also things like The Grand Influence Table. All of this is impossible in a modern Paradox game. It's like those guys who made Dwarf Fortress made accessible fun citybuilders but oldschool fans want them to make Dwarf Fortress 2. Which part of their fandom should they try to satisfy? And why would they try?
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:I wouldn't be surprised if they took a stab at Based on studying all the available evidence  , I think there's actually a pretty drat good chance that the game that's going to be revealed in 3 weeks is Vicky 3. We know it's a GSG, we know that none of the other existing main franchises is going to get a game this year, so the only options are basically one set in a historical period that is not yet covered (lol when), or the fantasy one we know they are making, and that one was still hiring recently for concept art roles, which probably means it's not coming out very soon.If they do come out swinging with a bronze age GSG, I'll honestly be kinda happy even without VicIII, because that's a criminally undercovered period.
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Tuna-Fish posted:If they do come out swinging with a bronze age GSG, I'll honestly be kinda happy even without VicIII, because that's a criminally undercovered period. really queer Christmas posted:Ah ok. I figured it was a case of "these people are running the business side not developing the games" but wasn't sure.
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ilitarist posted:Victoria 2 had 2.200 peak number of players on Steam. CK3 had almost 100.000 peak and almost 13.000 are playing it right now. EU4 had a peak of 48.000 and 20.000 poor souls are playing it right now. From 500.000 to 1.000.000 people own Victoria 2, most probably long after release on a discount. People want victoria 3 because it will get the accessibility and qol stuff the newer games have. I don't think anyone is demanding influence carry forward in the same way to a third game. Do you think people are actually just demanding a remake?
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yikes! posted:People want victoria 3 because it will get the accessibility and qol stuff the newer games have. I don't think anyone is demanding influence carry forward in the same way to a third game. Do you think people are actually just demanding a remake?
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The original Crusader Kings didn't exactly set the world on fire either, people would play Vicky 3 if they added some of the qol features from newer games
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My main problem with both Vicky games is that most of the important mechanisms are obscure and hard to interact with. POPs, the economy, and politics are all super detailed but nothing really interesting emerges from them. Of course, a new direction for the series would be great.
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Tuna-Fish posted:If they do come out swinging with a bronze age GSG, I'll honestly be kinda happy even without VicIII, because that's a criminally undercovered period. I loved Tyranny for being a fantasy game set in a bronze age setting, and I would love a GSG in a bronze age setting as well. Meanwhile, I have no interest in the Victoria time period.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:My main problem with both Vicky games is that most of the important mechanisms are obscure and hard to interact with. POPs, the economy, and politics are all super detailed but nothing really interesting emerges from them. Of course, a new direction for the series would be great. The biggest problem with Vicky is that if you play optimally then your country will remain stable and uninteresting because everyone remains happy with the status quo. But if you play it realistically by, say, going full hyper-capitalist-gently caress-the-poor or ultra-religious racist slave-owners then you can have the actual revolutions and mass unrest that makes the period interesting. Rynoto fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Torrannor posted:I loved Tyranny for being a fantasy game set in a bronze age setting, and I would love a GSG in a bronze age setting as well. A fantasy GSG set in Tyranny’s world has been a personal dream game of mine since Tyranny launched. It’s such a cool setting.
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Gaius Marius posted:The original Crusader Kings didn't exactly set the world on fire either, people would play Vicky 3 if they added some of the qol features from newer games Original CK was done awfully by a russian studio and Paradox had to yoink it and finish it themselves iirc. I think all of the games have some jank that have carried over that I'd be sad to see go though. Hell I'd probably pay five bucks for EU4 but it's pasted onto the hideous EU board game map. Paradox consider this you could make dozens of krona. If we get a new era for god's sake make it migration age. RTW BI but GSG and it lasts long enough for the arab conquests. Let me settle the slavs in Britain.
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Anno posted:A fantasy GSG set in Tyranny’s world has been a personal dream game of mine since Tyranny launched. It’s such a cool setting. It is strange that they don't have a fantasy GSG. Creative Assembly have reaped nothing but success with branching out from purely historical games. In fact, the success of their fantasy IP title smashed all expectations, though some of that is certainly down to the fantasy IP being Warhammer. If they went the fantasy route, they certainly would be able to avert Stellaris' problem of galaxies feeling generic. I would love a Tyranny GSG, too. Or perhaps Pillars of Eternity (different publisher, most likely will never happen), or Wheel of Time. Several settings come to mind, I really hope we get something like this in the coming years. Warhammer's success can't be lost on the devs, and neither should they overlook how popular the Elder Scrolls or Warhammer mods were for CK2, for example.
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Torrannor posted:Warhammer's success can't be lost on the devs, and neither should they overlook how popular the Elder Scrolls or Warhammer mods were for CK2, for example.
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CKIII but with Conan the Barbarian.
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Dramicus posted:I hope that "Green", "Yellow", and "Red" aren't a reference to a traffic light and the amount of priority the games have. I'm 100 percent certain it's referencing the fighter wings from Star Wars. and yellow is gold, so gold leader, standing by Grevlek fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Weird to see them giving up on imperator at all, considering Johan tripled down on it being his best release yet at the time.
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Grevlek posted:I'm 100 percent certain it's referencing the fighter wings from Star Wars. and yellow is gold, so gold leader, standing by Well, if that's the case then it's fine. Gold leader was the coolest after all.
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Torrannor posted:It is strange that they don't have a fantasy GSG. Creative Assembly have reaped nothing but success with branching out from purely historical games. In fact, the success of their fantasy IP title smashed all expectations, though some of that is certainly down to the fantasy IP being Warhammer. I do feel like a fantasy game is the most likely announcement, or if not this time definitely the next one. They actually own the Tyranny IP, so there’s theoretically a chance of it happening, but I assume it’ll be another house-made world. They’ve done a good job with that side of Stellaris though, and obviously value it a lot if you listen to their podcast.
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Anno posted:I do feel like a fantasy game is the most likely announcement, or if not this time definitely the next one. They actually own the Tyranny IP, so there’s theoretically a chance of it happening, but I assume it’ll be another house-made world. They’ve done a good job with that side of Stellaris though, and obviously value it a lot if you listen to their podcast. If they invent their own setting (which there are good financial reasons for), they must make predetermined starts like the historical games, instead of the randomly generated galaxy of Stellaris. I think they can be proud of what they did for Stellaris so far, but the fact that it's difficult to really identify with any species/empires in the games has always been a big stumbling block, one that can easily be avoided in a hypothetical future fantasy GSG. An Age of Wonders grand strategy game would also be cool, they are the current AoW publisher iirc, so there wouldn't be a rights problem, either (I think). Although they might not want to pit one form of AoW strategy game against another form of AoW strategy game.
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I’d love it if they found an in-between. I get people want set factions/starts, but also the expiration phase of Stellaris is my favorite part of any PDX game to play. Idk if there’s a good way to have both, though.
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ilitarist posted:Victoria 2 had 2.200 peak number of players on Steam. CK3 had almost 100.000 peak and almost 13.000 are playing it right now. EU4 had a peak of 48.000 and 20.000 poor souls are playing it right now. From 500.000 to 1.000.000 people own Victoria 2, most probably long after release on a discount. Victoria II peak: 2,276 players EU4 peak: 47,844 players Calculated Vicky III peak: 83,828 players Not making Vicky III is simply bad business. Anno posted:I’d love it if they found an in-between. I get people want set factions/starts, but also the expiration phase of Stellaris is my favorite part of any PDX game to play. Idk if there’s a good way to have both, though.
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The real reason paradox should make Vicky 3 is that they'll earn bank on a factory designer dlc
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VostokProgram posted:The real reason paradox should make Vicky 3 is that they'll earn bank on a factory designer dlc Don't even get me started on how much I would like a game set from 1830-1930 with a train designer.
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VostokProgram posted:The real reason paradox should make Vicky 3 is that they'll earn bank on a factory designer dlc
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