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Deified Data: Nov 3, 2015; Fun Shoe

Bay Area 415 (an ML China booster on YT) did a collab with SecondThought on hate crimes against Asians, which isn't a huge deal in and of itself until you realize SecondThought has over a million subs and is probably the biggest western YT channel to push back against the Western China narrative. It's been nuts watching this guy go from normie type "I loving love science" videos where he got most of his subs to Marxism-Leninism and Xinjiang discourse lol. More people are starting to feel comfortable pushing back against obvious BS and this dude has a huge platform.

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# ? May 23, 2024 12:38

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

^ yeah, i've been a little hopeful lately when i see the comments on a news article/report laugh at adrian zenz, even in sinophobic places like reddit political subs but every now and then i just see people who dug the gently caress in, even when you show them muslim majority countries have said nothing's going on.

also, sorry i keep posting these but it's just unbelievable to me:

quote:

My point is that the Australian government is good for calling out a nation-state for committing genocide against its people. Your point is that you like money in your bank account. One is legitimately relevant to the thread, the other is, I assume, fat stacks of blood money in your wallet.

# ? Apr 30, 2021 16:20

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

crepeface posted:

ven when you show them muslim majority countries have said nothing's going on

to me this is as worthless as the US/majority of the EU/etc saying there is something going on, I don�t care what states like Saudi Arabia or Qatar have to say about human rights

# ? Apr 30, 2021 16:35

Deified Data: Nov 3, 2015; Fun Shoe

Same, I feel no real need to go on the defensive when the claims and the people making them are so suspect. I understand why people use that defense but it feels a little more desperate than I think we are. For example my response if someone said "X and Y Muslim countries *do* support the West's claims about Xinjiang" would be the same as the Xinjiang truthers' response to that defense: Muslim solidarity isn't really a thing between nations and Muslim-majority countries are not necessarily experts on the human rights of other Muslims

# ? Apr 30, 2021 16:52

Ferrinus: Jun 19, 2003; i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Deified Data posted:

Bay Area 415 (an ML China booster on YT) did a collab with SecondThought on hate crimes against Asians, which isn't a huge deal in and of itself until you realize SecondThought has over a million subs and is probably the biggest western YT channel to push back against the Western China narrative. It's been nuts watching this guy go from normie type "I loving love science" videos where he got most of his subs to Marxism-Leninism and Xinjiang discourse lol. More people are starting to feel comfortable pushing back against obvious BS and this dude has a huge platform.

i loving love the immortal science

# ? Apr 30, 2021 16:53

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

that's fair.

when someone said they believed in the claims because china refuses to open up the region to outside observers, i got caught up in showing all the international diplomats (not just muslim, but i wanted to get that in there) that have already been.

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THS: Sep 15, 2017

that jacobin article with the USAID interview had a massive amount of pushback in the facebook comments... and a ton of people complaining about the tankie army appearing. but seeing a lot of people make fun of the USAID connections and giving jacobin poo poo was better than nothing. i know there�s no way to draw conclusions from internet comments, but i hope that pointing out how egregiously bad the propaganda is, is having some positive effect

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mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

crepeface posted:

it's very depressing. I'm trying to point out the systematic ways our consent is bring manufactured (among my real life friends as well in auspol) and what I get back is "well I know this guy"

need a d&d break.

make an auspol thread in cspam instead? gently caress d&d

# ? Apr 30, 2021 17:57

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

I visited a high school in Istanbul that has USAID-installed septic tanks/sewer filtration systems on its campus for some reason, signs and all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_College

quote:

Robert College is consistently ranked as the top private high school in Turkey.[5][6][7][8] The school has a long list of notable alumni, including entrepreneurs, politicians, journalists, artists, three Turkish Prime Ministers, four Bulgarian Prime Ministers,[3][9] multiple members of the Turkish cabinet, and one Nobel laureate, Orhan Pamuk.

Must be some good poo poo

e:

https://tr.usembassy.gov/usaids-office-american-schools-hospitals-abroad-announces-awards posted:

USAID�s Office of American Schools and Hospitals Abroad Announces Awards
Consulate General Istanbul
Istanbul, Turkey � The U.S. Agency for International Development�s Office of American Schools and Hospitals Abroad (ASHA) announced three new grants to Turkish institutions to support construction projects and the purchase of equipment. The projects, located throughout Turkey, are funded through a competitive annual grant and directly support schools, libraries and medical centers outside the United States that share universal values, such as empowering women and inclusive societies, as well as promoting innovation and entrepreneurship, while advancing best practices in healthcare and education. Throughout its history, ASHA�s impact has covered the globe, working in nearly 80 countries with more than 270 institutions.

�We are very pleased to expand the network of ASHA partners,� said Director Katherine Crawford. �These partnerships increase access to high-quality education and healthcare abroad, which ultimately strengthens a country�s workforce, lifts populations out of extreme poverty and creates resilient societies.�

Since 1957, the USAID ASHA program has invested $44 million towards schools and hospitals in Turkey. The new awards this year are for $823,000 in total and will support the Robert College and �sk�dar American Academy in Istanbul, and the SEV American Hospital in Gaziantep. These institutions train future leaders in a wide variety of disciplines, promote advances in research and innovation, foster medical and academic professionalism, and build bridges between citizens of the United States and other countries.

To learn more about the USAID American Schools and Hospitals Abroad (ASHA) program follow them on Twitter: usaidasha1 or visit their website ow.ly/ DNhvK.

By | 5 November, 2014 | Topics: Consulate General Istanbul, Press Releases

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 18:09 on Apr 30, 2021

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mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

why are bulgarian elites going to high school in turkey

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Zedhe Khoja: Nov 10, 2017; sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

holy poo poo thats a high school? That thing takes up like half of bebek and I always assumed it was a university for spooks and rich idiots

e: also of course American "aid" is going to a walled compound in the rich shithead districts training the next generation of compradors

Zedhe Khoja has issued a correction as of 18:10 on Apr 30, 2021

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Zedhe Khoja: Nov 10, 2017; sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

mila kunis posted:

why are bulgarian elites going to high school in turkey

its an english language boarding school that's a ticket into the Ivy Leagues and the halls of international power and prestige

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

love to invest taxpayer money in private hospitals competing with the public system in another country

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animist: Aug 28, 2018

crepeface posted:

My point is that the Australian government is good for calling out a nation-state for committing genocide against its people. Your point is that you like money in your bank account. One is legitimately relevant to the thread, the other is, I assume, fat stacks of blood money in your wallet.

pay no attention to whose land this was posted from

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BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Ferrinus posted:

i loving love the immortal science

the booj elevates itself as the universal representative of the whole society as only "in the name of universal rights of society can a particular class lay claim to universal domination." and what's not recognized is that western modernity is historically contingent. if china also adopted it, it'd be just a disaster, since it would reduce chinese identity to a particular "culture" or "flavor sauce" that is also "inferior" in some ways according to western booj ideology. we've kinda diverged from communism as leading the "redemption of all humanity" in that teleological sense, but the arguments here come from the marxist dialectical of the universal and particular.

THS posted:

that jacobin article with the USAID interview had a massive amount of pushback in the facebook comments... and a ton of people complaining about the tankie army appearing. but seeing a lot of people make fun of the USAID connections and giving jacobin poo poo was better than nothing. i know there’s no way to draw conclusions from internet comments, but i hope that pointing out how egregiously bad the propaganda is, is having some positive effect

i'm going to build the sausage factory of funk, rock, jazz and electronic dance music to provide a boogie-down backdrop for a radical (and witty) political message

https://files.catbox.moe/1ugg61.mp4

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THS: Sep 15, 2017

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i'm going to build the sausage factory of funk, rock, jazz and electronic dance music to provide a boogie-down backdrop for a radical (and witty) political message

https://files.catbox.moe/1ugg61.mp4

lol

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i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

holy loly, bm

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ToxicAcne: May 25, 2014

Yeah I was pretty shocked at reading the Jacobin article until I realized that they had an interview with right wing dissidents in Nicaragua as well. I don't know if these are gaffes or something more nefarious.

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BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/calxandr/status/1388283891438456833

quote:

In my new book, I illustrate how regime change could come to China through a coup d��tat followed by the launch of a transition to democracy. I tell how Premier Li Keqiang, Vice-Premier Wang Yang and Vice-President Wang Qishan conspire together to remove Mr. Xi from office, opening the way to systemic change.

The conspirators are real-life characters, but the storyline is a marriage of prediction and imagination. The coup is not the product only of the internal dynamics of Chinese politics: The U.S. plays a crucial role by engineering a Sino-American confrontation, which leads to a crisis in China�s financial markets. That crisis prompts the conspirators to activate a well-prepared contingency plan to depose Mr. Xi.

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THS: Sep 15, 2017

that is some genuinely psycho poo poo lmao good god

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Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

imagine how those three guys he named must feel right now

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i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

Doctor Jeep posted:

imagine how those three guys he named must feel right now

lol

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i'm going to build the sausage factory of funk, rock, jazz and electronic dance music to provide a boogie-down backdrop for a radical (and witty) political message

https://files.catbox.moe/1ugg61.mp4

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Trash Ops: Jun 19, 2012; im having fun, isnt everyone else?

gbs china thread watch

A Jupiter posted:

There's a really interesting sub-genre of Chinese financial advice books that's wildly anti-semitic though. They're along the lines of "THE SECRET TO THE JEW'S WEALTH" or "LIFE LESSONS FROM THE TALMUD"

It's not so insidious because the average Chinese person hasn't been poisoned with anti-semitic media one would encounter in the West. Maybe some of it has rubbed off from their Russian comrades.
But much like their anti-black bigotry it's just very ignorant, and comes off as child-like at best. For example asking any black person they meet if they play basketball before asking for their name.

this is a thriving genre of books in amerikkka lmao, but noooo the chinese have a child-like sense of bigotry, those inscrutable asiatics

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

https://twitter.com/calxandr/status/1388283891438456833

lol must be cool to be those actual human beings this loving pervert is using as his 'boy WOULDN'T IT BE COOL if these guys were secretly plotting against their leader?????'

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sonatinas: Apr 15, 2003; Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

love those books with �Jews�in large Chinese

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Trash Ops posted:

gbs china thread watch

this is a thriving genre of books in amerikkka lmao, but noooo the chinese have a child-like sense of bigotry, those inscrutable asiatics

sure, they are based on vile positive stereotypes but historically this led to better outcomes for Jews in China and Japan than those in Europe. basically, the positive stereotype led some people to conclude, �well, if they�re so drat smart as to control the world and are good at making money, let them come here!�.I know where I�d rather be in 1943.

I haven�t read this paper to the end but it seems to sum it up ok

http://history.emory.edu/home/documents/endeavors/volume1/Ians.pdf posted:

Unlikely Assistance: How the Chinese and the Japanese Saved 20,000 Jews in Shanghai during World War II
Ian Deeks

The history of European Jewry has been precarious to say the least. The Jewish communities of Europe have lived under centuries of anti-Semitism; however, the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany during the 1930s marked a major turning point as anti-Semitism seemed to be reaching a climax. After the Nuremburg Laws were passed in 1933, Kristallnacht in 1938, and the creation of the concentration camps, many Jews viewed escape from Europe as their only chance for survival. Tragically, just as the situation of European Jewry became dire, many Western countries closed their borders to Jewish refugees by enforcing strict immigration restrictions. While much of the Western world turned its back on the Jews in World War II, European Jewry found an unlikely haven halfway around the world: Shanghai, China.
As an internationally controlled city, Shanghai occupied a unique position, requiring neither a visa, passport, affidavit, or certificate of guarantee for entry.i In fact, Shanghai was the only city in the world between 1937 and 1939 that required neither an entry visa nor a financial guarantee to enter.ii Consequently, approximately 20,000 Jewish refugees fled Europe for Shanghai during the late 1930s and early 1940s. iii
While Shanghai�s unique political situation allowed the European Jews to settle in Shanghai, what was unique about Shanghai, a city with seemingly no connection to or involvement in the crisis in Europe, that allowed the Jews to find refuge? Furthermore, as much of the world turned its back on the Jewish plight and anti-Semitism seemed to be spreading globally, why did anti-Jewish violence never emerge among the Chinese and Japanese in Shanghai

Ironically, it was the very same malicious Jewish stereotypes imported into Asia from European anti-Semitic beliefs that saved the Jewish community in Shanghai. Both the Chinese and Japanese believed many of the European anti- Semitic ideas that spawned anti-Jewish violence in Europe, yet the Chinese and Japanese interpreted the anti-Semitic ideas differently. The Chinese both admired the anti-Semitic image of the wealthy, business focused, politically influential Jew, while also identifying with Jewish persecution. The Japanese believed the anti-Semitic idea that Jews control the world�s economy and politics and believed they could use this �Jewish power� towards the creation of a Japanese empire. The difference in interpretation of European anti-Semitic portrayals of the Jews among the Chinese and Japanese allowed over 20,000 Jewish Refugees to survive the Holocaust in Shanghai. iv
In the following pages, I will explain how the Chinese�s and Japanese�s acceptance of European anti-Semitic ideology contributed to the survival of Shanghai�s Jewish Diaspora during World War II. I begin by providing a background on the unique situation of Shanghai during the early 20th century, including the city�s various Jewish communities. I then examine the rise of anti- Semitic ideology in Europe and, from this foundation, proceed with an analysis of Chinese and Japanese perceptions of the Jews and how these perceptions affected Shanghai�s Jewish community. During this process, I will demonstrate how the unique interpretations by the Chinese and Japanese of European anti-Semitic beliefs protected Shanghai�s Jewish community during World War II.

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sleep with the vicious: Apr 2, 2010

Here is my China fan fiction where xi Jinping pulls a Gorbachev heel turn, please pay me hundreds of thousands of dollars please

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PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

Tigermom is a thing

# ? May 1, 2021 03:58

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

mawarannahr posted:

The Chinese both admired the anti-Semitic image of the wealthy, business focused, politically influential Jew, while also identifying with Jewish persecution.

this is judeo-bolshevism

# ? May 1, 2021 04:01

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

from that paper:

i don't need to mention that associations between jews and communism is infected with nazi stereotypes, but reading yuri sleskine's book "the jewish century" is interesting because it goes into the fact that many jews in late 19th century and early 20th century europe were indeed attracted to marxism because it offered a way out of their dilemma, competing with assimilation on the one hand and also zionism -- the early (non-marxist) chinese nationalists seemed to appreciate that -- which wasn't destined to win out over socialism.

and also: marxism wasn't christian, and some scholars say marx was also influenced by the dialectic in the hebrew bible (while he also heavily criticized it). and there are elements of dialectical reasoning in traditional chinese thought too. this causes china watchers to scratch their heads when there's talk about china incorporating elements of confucianism with marxism while leaving the incompatible stuff in the museum, but i don't see what the big controversy is.

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Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/AlexWardVox/status/1388162081950666759

im increasingly starting to feel like the quad is just a really half assed version of belt and road where they dont even have ideas as to how its going to work theyre just very confident theyll come up with ideas eventually

# ? May 1, 2021 04:53

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

bad news everyone

https://twitter.com/mikejcasey/status/1388226117182558221

iran is turning away from their commitment to socialism

# ? May 1, 2021 04:56

Judakel: Jul 29, 2004; Can't post for 9 years!

Some Guy TT posted:

bad news everyone

https://twitter.com/mikejcasey/status/1388226117182558221

iran is turning away from their commitment to socialism

it would be awesome if this turned the us sour on bitcoin

# ? May 1, 2021 05:02

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/LetaHong/status/1387844928080949252

# ? May 1, 2021 05:46

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/yingyuchen9/status/1388080471645564930

I feel like they're just loving with us on the semantics of forced labor at this point by using the term to refer to labor a person doesnt want to do when its almost universally interpreted in any other context as labor without pay

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Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShibaniMahtani/status/1384436947226005507

# ? May 1, 2021 06:04

Agrajag: Jan 21, 2006; gat dang thats hot

sonatinas posted:

love those books with �Jews�in large Chinese

i gotta say i did not expect this new hot take that "the chinese are racist against jewish people"

but i guess i should expect this with all the dipshits throwing everything they can to drum up sinophobia

oh hey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Feng-Shan

# ? May 1, 2021 06:10

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Trash Ops posted:

gbs china thread watch

A Jupiter posted:
There's a really interesting sub-genre of Chinese financial advice books that's wildly anti-semitic though. They're along the lines of "THE SECRET TO THE JEW'S WEALTH" or "LIFE LESSONS FROM THE TALMUD"

It's not so insidious because the average Chinese person hasn't been poisoned with anti-semitic media one would encounter in the West. Maybe some of it has rubbed off from their Russian comrades.
But much like their anti-black bigotry it's just very ignorant, and comes off as child-like at best. For example asking any black person they meet if they play basketball before asking for their name.

this is a thriving genre of books in amerikkka lmao, but noooo the chinese have a child-like sense of bigotry, those inscrutable asiatics

these drab imitations are an insult to our 2000 years of history

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animist: Aug 28, 2018

america's main propaganda tool is examining its own worst features and then slapping a big label on it them that says "THE OTHER GUYS"

just like how it displaces its own cruelty and violence onto communists, it displaces its own racism onto the Chinese. And it works, too. Sure, the books in that picture say positive things, but the white liberals that propaganda is aimed at probably won't notice that. they'll just see the word "Jews" and assume that the Chinese, those evil nasty foreigners, must be being racist!!

clearly we need to fund freedom fighters in that country to defeat authoritarianism, etc etc

it's so repetitive

animist has issued a correction as of 06:36 on May 1, 2021

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