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turd in my singlet posted:kind of understood some of this since im about halfway through Brain of the Firm lol. don't know anything about actual modern logistics tho, which seems like is where the 'pegging' part is coming from? i'm surprised cybernetics doesn't come up more on this forum same.
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NPR just did an hour on degrowth. it boiled down to: world we have now --> ???? --> ecological sustainability and happiness over profit
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i say swears online posted:NPR just did an hour on degrowth. it boiled down to: world we have now --> ???? --> ecological sustainability and happiness over profit yeah i hate it because it isnt an explicitly socialist program in how its discussed. its just a way to describe a “green” neofeudalism
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to be overly fair, governments usually do things that aren’t socialist (even sometimes in socialist countries!)
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indigi posted:to be overly fair, governments usually do things that aren’t socialist (even sometimes in socialist countries!) the us government sponsored programs in the 20th century that brought down unemployment in honduras 
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i say swears online posted:the us government sponsored programs in the 20th century that brought down unemployment in honduras lol
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https://themilitant.com/2021/05/01/chauvin-trial-dealt-blows-to-rights-workers-need/ maybe trots aren't made fun of because of their newspapers in and of themselves, but for the content
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socialism is when someone gives me stuff; capitalism is when someone tells me what to do
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radlib: capitalism is like, bad vibes and all the bad things in society. socialism is when we all come together and we work together to do good things. anarchism is no government and i dont know what communism is. fight the power
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turd in my singlet posted:kind of understood some of this since im about halfway through Brain of the Firm lol. don't know anything about actual modern logistics tho, which seems like is where the 'pegging' part is coming from? i'm surprised cybernetics doesn't come up more on this forum yeah, modern logistics is about cleaning as much noise out of the system as possible and then synchronizing the demand with coupling points through time with cutoffs and offsets so it lines up nicely in the shop floor never read Brain of the Firm but I do a lot of work on production planning systems and ended up working backwards to cybernetics im a big fan of pegging, I don’t think pegging was developed yet back then
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Mate, people have been sticking things in each other's bottoms since people had bottoms. They definitely had pegging by then. Edit: there's points I want to add and will when I wake up tomorrow.
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Luna Oi and her partner did an interview with the general secretary of the communist party of pakistan. It's a pretty good listen as he goes over a brief history of the communists in pakistan and the state of the left currently. They do some Q&A at the end where they talk about things like handling contradictions. Wish that part was a bit longer but good listen nevertheless.
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:yeah, modern logistics is about cleaning as much noise out of the system as possible and then synchronizing the demand with coupling points through time with cutoffs and offsets so it lines up nicely in the shop floor Beer is especially interesting imo because of the relatively unsophisticated computers available back then. rather than relying on computers to track and process tons of data, he used deliberately structured information flows to create layers of abstraction so that policy-makers didn't have to deal with masses of data he had some takes on logistics from my understanding but it must be in one of his other books. Brain is specifically about management
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turd in my singlet posted:Beer is especially interesting imo because ok cool I can’t wait to see where this is going turd in my singlet posted:of the relatively unsophisticated computers available back then. rather than relying on computers to track and process tons of data, ...oh. 
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turd in my singlet posted:Beer is especially interesting imo because of the relatively unsophisticated computers available back then. rather than relying on computers to track and process tons of data, he used deliberately structured information flows to create layers of abstraction so that policy-makers didn't have to deal with masses of data I’ve not gotten to Beer yet but naively this sounds a little like how neural networks deal with information
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:yeah, modern logistics is about cleaning as much noise out of the system as possible and then synchronizing the demand with coupling points through time with cutoffs and offsets so it lines up nicely in the shop floor i've been super interested in cybersyn for a while, and am still trying to learn the underlyint cybernetics material at some point, so if you wanna make more posts about cybernetic communism and logistics that'd own have you read peoples republic of walmart? it's a book about adapting modern logistics to socialist planning so you might dig it
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I’m interested in Stanford Beer’s work, but I won’t pretend it’s not mostly about the badass control room they made for Allende
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Here are some pictures of the May Day rallies in my country yesterday - the labor groups decided to do it in-person this year after skipping last year.   "Ayudang sapat, para sa lahat" translates to "Give everyone the aid that they need!", basically asking for stimmy checks  "Fight for giving everyone 10,000 pesos per month in stimmy checks!"  "It's been too much, for too long! Enough already! Remove Duterte!"   This is an effigy of Duterte as an anthropomorphic dog (which is also the second image, being burned alongside the US and China flags). The Filipino word "tuta" means "puppy dog", and the left has long referred to Presidents as "tuta ng Kano", or "a puppet of the Americans", hence the dog. "Palpak, Pahirap, Papet pa" translates to "a failure, a noose on our necks, and a puppet besides"  "Ipaglaban ang libre at lignas na bakuna" translates to "fight for free and safe vaccinations"  "Real land reforms!"    "The Philippines is ours! US-China get out!"  "Duterte: stupid useless moron. Get him out!"   "Give us a 100 peso [minimum] wage hike!"
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that's really cool, i like the DU30 shorthand lol
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turd in my singlet posted:Beer is especially interesting imo because of the relatively unsophisticated computers available back then. rather than relying on computers to track and process tons of data, he used deliberately structured information flows to create layers of abstraction so that policy-makers didn't have to deal with masses of data that’s the same principle we follow in modern production planning. the computers can now handle the masses of data but if you have a local problem that requires additional support from central planning you need that data synthetically summarized, abstracted and as “live” as possible. ain’t no one in central planning got time to dig around massive databases to figure out why the inventory is wrong again in factories 1, 3, 4 (this part is still manual and handled locally by planners/analysts - the algorithms are sophisticated enough that they can now identify issues and launch alerts but they can’t do root causing very well). Central planning needs to stay focused on the mid or long term horizon Beer’s approach was revolutionary and the clear precursor to the modern planning systems used today in Amazon and Walmart, but if cybersyn had been allowed to continue they would have quickly run into operational issues about data accuracy - the layers of abstraction used to summarize for policy makers only works if the underlying data is correct. that’s the fundamental conceit. bad data leads to bad decisions the new trend with the advances in AI (which I oppose in the systems I work on) is to permit logistics directors to receive the same abstracted summaries but then permit them to drill down and disaggregate to the deepest levels to identify in near real time what has happened you don’t want those fucks digging that close into your factory situation, Beer was right about that. they create more issues than they solve because they have no idea what the local situation is (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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today I remembered how one of the things Trotsky was working on when we was assassinated was a discussion of the revolutionary potential of the Wehrmachtquote:The armies of occupation must live side by side with the conquered peoples; they must observe the impoverishment and despair of the toiling masses; they must observe the latter’s attempts at resistance and protest, at first muffled and then more and more open and bold. not his best analysis
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Klaus von Stauffenberg, welcome to the #Resistance
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John Charity Spring posted:today I remembered how one of the things Trotsky was working on when we was assassinated was a discussion of the revolutionary potential of the Wehrmacht lmao his brain already mush, the icepick only damaged his skull
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John Charity Spring posted:today I remembered how one of the things Trotsky was working on when we was assassinated was a discussion of the revolutionary potential of the Wehrmacht By this logic the American deployment to afghanistan would've defected by now
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Dreddout posted:By this logic the American deployment to afghanistan would've defected by now lol remember that west pointer with a Che shirt under his uniform
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gradenko_2000 posted:lol remember that west pointer with a Che shirt under his uniform he got booted out lol
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gradenko_2000 posted:lol remember that west pointer with a Che shirt under his uniform Lol didn't he start a podcast with someone who used to torture people at Abu Ghraib?
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Lol didn't he start a podcast with someone who used to torture people at Abu Ghraib? yes and if you ever say anything bad about them half the DSA shows up to call you a wrecker
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labor day is for the fellas
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