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Velocity Raptor posted:So how long until all these dumbass laws cause businesses to up and leave deep red states? Here in Oklahoma, they don't care, because the only industry that matters is the almighty OIL AND GAS, and they don't want any competition. eta: ugh, phone-posting, can't pay tax
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evilweasel posted:Modern Monetary Theory seems - as commonly discussed - to veer from trivially true things to wildly incorrect assertions based on misunderstanding those trivially true things. It is much like the laffer curve - it is trivially true that at 0% tax and 100% tax you're probably getting no taxes, and your ideal tax rate is somewhere above 0% and below 100%. That is trivially true and useless. The conclusion drawn from it - lower taxes, get more revenue! - is, as everyone here knows, entirely false. This is an excellent post and answers some really important questions I’ve had regarding government spending. It essentially reinforces the idea that we have to start taxing smarter in order to restore equilibrium to the economy and keep money circulating. Piketty goes into this with his books as well. There’s just a few unanswered questions for me. 1. How do you efficiently tax people in this globalized era where it’s trivial to hide your money off shore? Or create legal entities that exist outside of US tax jurisdictions despite the bulk of their revenues coming from America? It seems to me that if you raise taxes they’ll just find new ways to make their tax liabilities go to 0. At best you can try to eliminate tax credits so you aren’t paying Amazon to be rich. 2. Keynesian economics as you said seems to be the “correct” way to run the economy. But I haven’t found a solution to stagflation. We’re targeting full employment or some variant of it which means labor will always have the ability to negotiate a higher share of added productivity. This adversarial relationship with capital creates that stagflation problem where value can only be extracted by raising prices which results in higher labor costs which results in higher prices until business gives up and stops growing. The last time this happened we switched to monetarism and elected Reagan and Thatcher. The economy has spent the last 30 years as a zero sum game where capital continuously erodes labour’s share of the proceeds and has grown through this method and offsetting the political power balance. How do we get it right assuming Bidenomics restores Keynesian economics to prominence? By the time millennials hit their retirement age, Gen Zs kids will be worshipping some figure that resembles a cryptocurrency Gordon Gecko with a neck tattoo and some Mars shuttle will explode. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 17:09 on May 1, 2021 |
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Kraftwerk posted:1. How do you efficiently tax people in this globalized era where it’s trivial to hide your money off shore. Or create legal entities that exist out of US tax jurisdictions despite the bulk of their revenues coming from America? It seems to me that if you raise taxes they’ll just find new ways to make their tax liabilities go to 0. At best you can try to eliminate tax credits so you aren’t paying Amazon to be rich. The Biden administration is already working on an international initiative to counter this sort of thing by aligning taxation worldwide and applying multilateral pressure to tax havens
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Data Graham posted:I'm sure we all remember the South Park take, which was "just hit the kids more and they'll shut up" I mean, South Park exaggerated it some, but that was actually a popular take at the time. It fit in with a pretty popular narrative about childrearing at the time...that for a whole bunch of reasons, parents in the 90s coddled and spoiled their kids; everything from the decline in spanking as punishment to "participation trophies" and stuff about that.
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Epicurius posted:Its in reference to Adderal, which, while not methamphetamine, is an amphetamine. Its one of the drugs used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, which is a chronic mental condition usually diagnosed in children that affects things like mental focus, concentration and impulse control . Yeah, the idea that using medically well-supported stimulants to treat a disorder with serious and often invisible effects on every aspect of life is basically the same as handing out meth is really harmful and stigmatizing. It's a version of the same old lovely cultural narrative that America loves to tell about every other mental health issue-- you just need tough love, you just need to try harder, you just need to stop relying on drugs to fix your problems. With ADHD specifically, the fact that it's a developmental disorder means it's often identified during childhood, but families with money and access to medical resources are far more likely to get their kid diagnosed, which contributes to an image that it's a fake disorder made up to let rich parents drug their kids. That's not true, and reinforcing that narrative only contributes to keeping less-privileged people from accessing care and maintaining the image of ADHD as a rich white kid thing.
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Thank you! Popular narratives on childrearing are often so incorrect as to be actively harmful from current observation.
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Quorum posted:Yeah, the idea that using medically well-supported stimulants to treat a disorder with serious and often invisible effects on every aspect of life is basically the same as handing out meth is really harmful and stigmatizing. It's a version of the same old lovely cultural narrative that America loves to tell about every other mental health issue-- you just need tough love, you just need to try harder, you just need to stop relying on drugs to fix your problems. With ADHD specifically, the fact that it's a developmental disorder means it's often identified during childhood, but families with money and access to medical resources are far more likely to get their kid diagnosed, which contributes to an image that it's a fake disorder made up to let rich parents drug their kids. That's not true, and reinforcing that narrative only contributes to keeping less-privileged people from accessing care and maintaining the image of ADHD as a rich white kid thing. Alright it was an off handed joke I made based on my own history with this stuff. I had teachers trying to diagnose me with ADD and get me drugged up with Ritalin for most of grades 2-6 because I was bored in class and wanted to do fun poo poo instead of study. Nobody bothered to help me channel my frustration in a productive fashion and just wanted to stop me from being disruptive by dumping drugs on me. Took 3 different medical professionals and numerous tests later to basically tell all those teachers they’re idiots who are overstepping their boundaries. Later as an adult I did end up experimenting with adderall and concerta mostly to see if it would help me do better in college and it didn’t change anything except make me feel on edge and anxious. It was always a motivation and willpower thing. There were things I categorically hated and refused to do (like management accounting exams) which felt so dry and awful that I found staring at paint dry to be more exciting. Now that I’m older with the knowledge I have today, if I could go back in time to my childhood body I’d have done something totally different with school and likely would have more control over my career today. But hindsight is 20/20 right? So I apologize if I offended anyone. My relationship with ADD, the related drugs and the teachers who thought they knew how to diagnose me were highly adversarial and rooted in people trying to take short cuts because they couldn’t figure out how to deal with my rebellious, antagonistic and disruptive childhood self. Most of my teachers thought I’d never amount to much or go to university and I’ve proven everyone wrong but I did so with margins as narrow as the US election.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Republicans: "The government should not interfere in the affairs of private business! The free market will decide!" Always fun to watch their lovely ideals they uphold swing around to boot them in the rear end.
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evilweasel posted:
It’s hard to take your verbose critique seriously when you lead with Argentina, a country saddled with IMF debt. Because Argentina is saddled with IMF debt it isn’t in total control of its currency. As a result, MMT proponents would agree that Argentina is an example of what can go wrong, just for different reasons than you do. You generally seem to approach sovereign debt as similar to corporate debt. I don’t think that holds, and I don’t agree that a country that has gone through a needed inflationary period has “wrecked” its ability to issue its own currency. The Plano Real was implemented after a period of hyperinflation. And yet, Brazil successfully rebooted its currency and was able to stem the bleeding thanks to smart monetary planning. I don’t want to get into an evilweasel slap fight over an economic theory I’m not sure I agree with. But when I read e.g., Wray, Kelton, Grey, I find them compelling, and at times they have lucid answers to questions that orthodox economists struggle with. To give just one example, Minsky (in addition to contemporary folks writing about Minsky) seems to provide some good macroeconomic answers about the drivers of the financial crisis. Pre ‘08, Minsky was certainly seen to be useless. Post ‘08 you see Minsky everywhere. Whether it makes sense to push ahead with MMT-informed policy isn’t something I feel comfortable opining on. But the notion that MMT provides “nothing” of value seems dogmatic and facile.
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The short version I got was that while MMT isn't entirely correct, it's way less catastrophically wrong than the mainstream models of economics used to craft monetary policy around the world.
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evilweasel posted:Republicans believe you can't raise taxes. People advocating MMT appear to have accepted that principle, which is a stupid principle. I don't think this is actually true. I heard Stephanie Kelton talk on the Majority Report sometime back, and I believe she mentioned taxes.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:twitter buys a lovely-rear end tilt-a-whirl in panama city sticks a food truck selling 10 dollar elephant ears and twitter bird plushies and bans DeSantis out of spite.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Can Manchin be pointed to as the deciding factor for any vote that was bad for the democrats? I get that it’s easy for people to be pissed at him but as far as I can tell he has never been the deciding vote for the GOP or against the Democrats. It’s actually kinda impressive how well his little song and dance continues to work, and as Manchin himself has pointed out all the mud that progressives throw at him just helps him get re-elected.
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Happy May Day, comrades. Give me the pure and the straight, the men who are steady and strong, those who have patience and willpower never in life to go wrong, and for my great thought will fight to the death, and never sell out for a song. Give me the clever, who know I am real, give me the cool, give me those; more than for many who say they believe, my need is for someone who knows. The promise of love is a message on sand, wiped out by the wind when it blows. Give me the bitter, the brisk, whose face is not twisted by fears, give me the godless, the proud, untroubled by mystics and seers, who shall boldly build a heaven here after their own ideas. Give me the burning hearts, who never by doubt are oppressed, who are never cowed by despondency and never anxious for rest, but meet every victory and every defeat unwounded and unsuppressed. Yes, give me the best from amongst you, and I shall give you all. No one can know till victory is mine how much to us shall fall. It may be it means we shall save our earth. The best among you are called.
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Ither posted:I don't think this is actually true. Yeah, as I've seen it MMT people acknowledge the need to raise taxes when raising spending, just they view it as less directly connected and think debt is a useless metric for gauging when or how much to tax.
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evilweasel posted:Modern Monetary Theory seems - as commonly discussed - to veer from trivially true things to wildly incorrect assertions based on misunderstanding those trivially true things. It is much like the laffer curve - it is trivially true that at 0% tax and 100% tax you're probably getting no taxes, and your ideal tax rate is somewhere above 0% and below 100%. That is trivially true and useless. The conclusion drawn from it - lower taxes, get more revenue! - is, as everyone here knows, entirely false. I would like to thank you for this post. I wonder what would happen if I were to share it on facebook...I don't even know why I would bother to do that but sometimes I stare into the abyss and get curious at souless oblivion and the thought of jumping into it apparently....
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Killer robot posted:Yeah, as I've seen it MMT people acknowledge the need to raise taxes when raising spending, just they view it as less directly connected and think debt is a useless metric for gauging when or how much to tax. mmt actually also has Some Thoughts on debt, although I don't remember/understand enough of the math to make a guess at how much government spending should be debt-financed Balance sheet questions aside, he casually dismisses a difference of profound urgency to every non-governmental organization that pays taxes or buys government debt, government debt under MMT is Tax Now Spend Later with some interesting quirks. The dollars still vanish from the economy upon the purchase of government debt, are re-inserted into the economy (created) with government spending, and then are re-inserted again when spent paying the debt. It is not necessarily better or worse than normal Tax Now Spend Later. The taxation and spending are just differently targeted. The 'taxpayer' is paying up voluntarily (or voluntarily-ish, in the case of financial institutions with a gigantic dragon hoard they need to keep sitting around in dollars) so it's of less redistributive value than proper taxation of the rich but has the efficiency improvements evilweasel touches on. The recipient of 'government spending' is the entity with enough spare dollars to sock them away, which isn't really an ideal recipient of government spending. It's the price you're paying for improved efficiency, guaranteed money-raising without needing IRS enforcement, and also being able to raise that money from some foreign sources. also US debt and the US dollar are both so gargantuan that abolishing US debt would collapse the world economy, i guess Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 19:17 on May 1, 2021 |
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Kansas Rep. Mark Samsel arrested for battery after physical altercation with student You really should read this article, the headline is burying the lede on this guy being completely unhinged
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fool of sound posted:You really should read this article, the headline is burying the lede on this guy being completely unhinged What the absurd gently caress. Wait, re read and found out he's been elected twice. This is seriously unhinged though. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 20:00 on May 1, 2021 |
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My favorite quote: quote:“I went to jail for battery. Does that really make me a criminal? Time will tell.” ...yes, it does.
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fool of sound posted:Kansas Rep. Mark Samsel arrested for battery after physical altercation with student yeah the dudes sounds like he has some real mental health issues or something because holy gently caress.
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I know it's a low content post on my part, and I appreciate the amount of work you've done in the effort post, which is genuinely very informative and gives me some helpful language in breaking down this subject I will shamelessly steal but: Portion in brackets added by myself evilweasel posted:Keynesian economics is the gold standard [of economic theories] Can we all take a moment to appreciate the layers of humor in this one tiny statement? ~~~~~~ Fake edit: Although, quote:“I went to jail for battery. Does that really make me a criminal? Time will tell.”
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fool of sound posted:Kansas Rep. Mark Samsel arrested for battery after physical altercation with student Holy loving poo poo, Kansas needs to do a better job of vetting their substitutes because this fucker should have never been allowed within a thousand feet of any school.
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fool of sound posted:Kansas Rep. Mark Samsel arrested for battery after physical altercation with student Did... did he knee someone in the groin because God's supposedly speaking to him? And he's a State Representative? What the actual, simmering gently caress is wrong with Kansas?!
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evilweasel posted:I should note there might be some merit to MMT in other aspects, like refining Keynesian predictions or the like - just not at all in the way it is used in political discourse. MMT as a stock and flow model of currency is good and correct. MMT as magical thinking that means we can spend whatever is garbage. It’s abuse is analogous to the abuse of supply chain modeling. SCOR and DCOR are complicated models that one can use to model s business and optimize. Always reduce inventory wherever possible is a simplification and magical thinking that whoopsie daisy can gently caress over everyone in a crisis. MMT can be simplified and abused in that same way.
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TLM3101 posted:Did... did he knee someone in the groin because God's supposedly speaking to him?
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Grouchio posted:It's a flat land where corn and god reigns over it. Truly, Kansas is Krushchev's Own Country
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Grouchio posted:It's a flat land where corn and fixed
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TLM3101 posted:Did... did he knee someone in the groin because God's supposedly speaking to him? Toto, I've a feeling we're back in Kansas again
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Is it appropriate for a state representative to speak to a class of high school students to make babies and procreate
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I feel like this other message they put in the article was even worse quote:In a Snapchat post shared with The Star, Samsel wrote that “it was all planned.”
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a.lo posted:Is it appropriate for a state representative to speak to a class of high school students to make babies and procreate No, it is also not appropriate for a state representative to knee a high school student in the balls.
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Zwabu posted:fixed It's mostly wheat and sunflowers but if you are ever sentenced to drive across the state the flat horizon will do things to your brain. Remember though that Kansas has moved a bit left lately...can't find a decent link, so any help would be grounds for hugs. This guy needs help, but we still need a vaccine for the Q brain worms too.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:They need something like 4-5 extra seats to not only offset Sinema and Manchin but to have a reasonable chance (they'd really need something like 7-9 more seats in the Senate to make it a near sure thing) at also offsetting the other Blue Dogs who'd probably vote it and other Progressive changes like $15 min. wage down. I think the Dems have an extremely good chance of winning in Wisconsin, I think any map listing that as leaning red is fooling itself, and I think that the Pennsylvania seat is frankly all-but in the bag. The question is if those likely gains are going to be offset by losing Georgia and Arizona, which is less likely than you'd think because Kelly and Warnock, the far more popular of the Dem Senate Pair in each state, are the ones up for re-election. Just getting plus two gets Sinema and Manchin off the board, and while its true that there's other blue dogs besides them, those other blue dogs have been a hell of a lot more quiet any time one of these dumb RADICAL CENTRIST situations comes up. I don't consider them to be irreconcilable impediments to progress the way Sinema and Manchin apparently are, so those two wins are potentially game-changing. If you somehow manage to get a third in North Carolina, Florida or Ohio against all odds, gravy, but I'm not so sure you need to.
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wonder what slavery was going on here. all men mostly.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:No, it is also not appropriate for a state representative to knee a high school student in the balls. he wasn't speaking to him in that capacity though, he was working, ostensibly as a substitute teacher, which makes it exponentially worse
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In which occupation is it the most appropriate to knee a teenager in the balls? Asking for a friend
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haveblue posted:In which occupation is it the most appropriate to knee a teenager in the balls? Asking for a friend police
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Otteration posted:It's mostly wheat and sunflowers but if you are ever sentenced to drive across the state the flat horizon will do things to your brain. Kicking out the universally hated Brownback and getting a Dem governor is definitely better, but we're still trying to underfund or even cut things because our state remains in the grip of mostly Republican control. They killed a tiny raise for state workers, so we're sitting at over a decade of no raises as better-paying jobs and retirement decimate the state workforce. Before this dude abused a bunch of students, our scandal-of-the-week was a state senate Republican leader getting smashed and driving the wrong way down the highway chased by police. They wrung their hands about what to do with this loving idiot and eventually revoked his leadership position. Still a member of the senate though!
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didn't some mathematicians and geologists work together to prove that Kansas is flatter than a pancake?
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