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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:https://www.foxnews.com/politics/caitlyn-jenner-opposes-transgender-sports-girl-teams
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May 2, 2021 05:25
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Then again this is the woman who said she wanted to be Ted Cruz's 'trans ambassador' or whatever the hell
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May 2, 2021 05:25
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GreyjoyBastard posted:there were a couple nuclear skeptics who went "actually fukushima has persuaded me nuclear is basically alright It hasn't moved my parents into being pro-atom but they are pretty strongly opposed to nuclear power and they think Fukushima is a terrible argument against nuclear power. Also big lol that Caitlyn Jenner thinks the right doesn't hate her just as much as the rest of us trans.
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May 2, 2021 05:35
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evilweasel posted:Keynesian economics is the gold standard Hi evilweasel, thanks for your reply and the time it took you. I mostly lurk political discussions on SA but one of the things that I've noticed is you tend to be critical towards a Marxist understanding of capitalism and overall how it interprets everything. Your typical Marxist would argue that your exaltation of Keynesian economics is flawed because you are still trying to solve problems within capitalism using capitalist logic, when you should be more radical in a wholesale rejection of capitalism which is what causes these problems to begin with. Basically, you are only pulling weeds and not changing the soil. So what is your relationship with Marxism? Where does it fail to adequately address the issues of capitalism? Are there certain premises that you reject? Why isn't Marxism a useful tool to interpret not just the economy, but more broadly society, culture and human beings. Why is a desire for a radical transformation of how a society is structured a bad thing? Why is capitalism worth keeping around? Sorry a lot of questions, but I'm interested in what problems you have with Marxism and its apologists.
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May 2, 2021 05:46
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Gadfly posted:Hi evilweasel, thanks for your reply and the time it took you. I think the problem with Marxism is it sounds great in theory but in practice individual self interest will throw a wrench in the works and crash the system. With Keynesianism you can allow some leeway for self interest while providing safety valves for the poor. Unfortunately even the Keynesian system was brought down by self interest (the rich still wanted more) so I don’t think any economic model is infallible. People want nice things. We’re all victims of consumerism. When centrally planned economies collapsed the first thing that citizens did was run away from they and never look back.
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May 2, 2021 05:55
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For me, it is possible to simultaneously hold three thoughts in my mind: - capitalism suboptimal - improving current system, in the absence of socialist victory, good - mmt, keynesianism, et al relevant to government spending in a market socialist system and things like it Or in other words, there are valid discussions about the current economic system that are not "all this is irrelevant, full communism now, nothing else need be said". Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 06:35 on May 2, 2021 |
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May 2, 2021 06:12
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VH4Ever posted:Weren't you treated to a nice long break before for your own good after posting like this too much? Christ. "Lots of people" where? Your anecdotal experience is true on a nationwide scale? And you'll doompost on that basis? Take a break for your own good. "Lots of folks" is not saying 86% or whatever. Yep anecdotal. IME lots of folks have taken a break from yakking about politics since the orange poo poo smear went away which was my only point. Got counter stats? Cool! Tell me were I approached doom posting. Care to point out the specifics? I never mentioned "Chernobyl". Are you quoting someone else? Edit, sorry about the Chernobyl bit, my fault. Didn't see you were quoting someone else there. 
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May 2, 2021 06:36
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calm down you two
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May 2, 2021 06:39
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Bifner McDoogle posted:I feel you man. It took me a dozen tries to quit and I only kicked the habit after moving to Massachusetts, where weed is legal and the cheapest pack of garbage cigs is a whopping 12 bucks a pack. (For the record, I do edibles, so quitting smoking is possible without quitting cannibis) Second. Or however many in the pages I skipped. It was especially tough for me because I work offshore at times, and cigs are usually super cheap out there. But I switched mostly to vape carts on shore, and then while on an expedition off New Zealand where we didn't go quite far enough offshore for duty free and so no sales were permitted and stocking up for two months in port was like $30 NZD per pack it was like no gently caress it it's quitting time. 15+ years smoking over with because of aversive taxes (Australia and New Zealand both) and now 5 years out couldn't be happier they helped.
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May 2, 2021 06:50
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AOC took up hiking or whatever and her adorable dachshund carries his own goods on the trail. 
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May 2, 2021 07:07
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That's a French bulldog, not a pug.
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May 2, 2021 07:08
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BlackIronHeart posted:That's a French bulldog, not a pug. Oh poo poo. Sorry. Im sorry. Im trying to remove it 7of7 fucked around with this message at 07:13 on May 2, 2021 |
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May 2, 2021 07:09
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One of the main problems with communism is the same as one of the main problems with capitalism which is that humanity frequently does not abide by logic based theoretical predictions of how they should behave. Like, you know how under capitalism if a large company is behaving unethically or selling an unsafe product the theoretical solution is that someone could start their own smaller company that provides a better product in a more ethical way and eventually gain enough consumers to put the larger company out of business? Except in practice whenever something like this happens the bigger company just destroys or absorbs the smaller company before that can happen because why the gently caress wouldn't they? There's no motivation for them to just play fair and patiently wait to be destroyed. Or like how under communism everyone is supposed to be treated equally, but in every communist country there's still a very distinct upper and lower class and the upper class is always the group in charge who keep giving themselves more? Because, again, why the gently caress wouldn't they? They're in charge, so gently caress you. And this is by no means limited to capitalism and communism, this is a problem in every societal system humanity creates. Case in point: If the president does a crime he's supposed to be impeached, but if the people responsible for impeaching him are just like "Nah" and the people who are responsible for voting for the people in charge of impeaching the president are all "I'm actually glad the president is doing crimes because I care solely about owning the libs and nothing else" and don't vote the people out of power for not impeaching the president then the whole system just fails to function and that's how we got four years of Trump. I'm not trying to say "better things aren't possible" or "so we might as well not have any laws" I'm just acknowledging that any system that relies on people following a certain set of rules (so, you know, any system because having a certain set of rules is kind of the whole point of a societal system) is going to be fallible because it's hard to convince people to always follow certain rules. Oh, and if you try to use force to get them to follow those rules you end up with fascism and rampant police brutality which also sucks. It's all very complicated, I mean if this stuff was easy the world wouldn't be such a messed up place. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 07:52 on May 2, 2021 |
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May 2, 2021 07:20
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Please remove that before my wife sees it. All those short snout type dogs probably shouldn't exist according to her and definitely shouldn't be exerted too much. I think she says. I'm not waking her up to ask. #onlymuttts
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May 2, 2021 07:22
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It’s not Deco’s fault that he exists. She probably saved him from getting gassed in a shelter. So what if he constantly gasps air through a brachycephalic mouth and farts all the time? He is a good boy.
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May 2, 2021 07:25
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Even the guy in the title of this thread gave up on communism
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May 2, 2021 07:30
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It’s not Deco’s fault that he exists. She probably saved him from getting gassed in a shelter. So what if he constantly gasps air through a brachycephalic mouth and farts all the time? He is a good boy. He is a very good boy and I'm glad he has a good home, but humans should probably stop intentionally breeding animals that have severe disabilities for the sake of their appearance. For example, this potato cat is precious and I'm glad she's well loved and happy because that's what I want for all animals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4_V7ZGCYDE But it would be cruel to intentionally breed more potato cats who have the same or possibly even worse medical problems and might not all find loving homes with people who can help them survive.
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May 2, 2021 07:33
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WHERE THE HELL ARE MY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS?
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May 2, 2021 07:56
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french bulldog? how champagne socialist of her why not get a real american dog like a german shepherd? 
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:WHERE THE HELL ARE MY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS?
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7of7 posted:AOC took up hiking or whatever and her adorable dachshund carries his own goods on the trail. typical socialist. forcing others to carry her load
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May 2, 2021 08:20
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FlamingLiberal posted:Wow she's an even bigger piece of poo poo than I thought She found that last millimeter of ladder that was left unsawn and took a Dremel to its splinters.
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Marxian economics also has some of the same problems as Austrian economics in that the really useful and clearly valid parts of it were incorporated into mainstream economics well before living memory, so people who embrace it by name today, by definition, have to focus on the parts that didn't actually work that well.
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The problem with this reasoning is that the problems with socialism (there is not a country in earth that has ever been communist) are viewed as flaws in the system a socialist society with democratic controls shouldn't have the problems of the USSR. Capitalism's problems are not bugs in the system they are features. Sure your products kill people who cares? If it increases your ability to accrue capital go for it. Both of the flaws you brought up in their system are entirely the result of having power consolidated in the hands of an incredibly small group of people placing their interests over millions (or billions in capitalism's case) It's silly as viewing these two as equally flawed as socialism is the only one of the two where an alternative can even theoretically exist outside of the fevered dreams of libertarian true believers.
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May 2, 2021 11:15
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Sedisp posted:The problem with this reasoning is that the problems with socialism (there is not a country in earth that has ever been communist) are viewed as flaws in the system a socialist society with democratic controls shouldn't have the problems of the USSR. Oh I wasn't trying to say they were equally flawed, although reading over what I wrote I can see how it came off that way, just that in literally any societal system you come up with you have to get people to follow whatever rules that system has and convincing people to follow rules is always going to be hard. In addition to capitalism and communism I also brought up democracy as something that also fail to function when enough people just decide "gently caress it, I can do what I want". It doesn't matter how something is supposed to function in theory if people just don't do it, although yeah socialism is a better theory and we should strive towards that. But has there seriously never been a Communist country? Was Cuba never Communist? I looked it up and apparently they're socialist now, but I thought Communism as one of their big things. Same with China and the USSR. I'm not trying to be a dick, just I'm just more ignorant than I thought I was.
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Communism is definitonally classless, so no it hasn't been done yet. Socialism is the project to build communism, and is the bit where there are lots of different approaches. The ones that have persisted tend to be the ones that deploy strategies to maintain security and national identity against outside forces, hence why the general impression is that socialism to build communism is fierce and authoritarian. You just never hear about the ones that arent because they dont last long enough to get noticed
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May 2, 2021 12:04
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Epic High Five posted:Communism is definitonally classless, so no it hasn't been done yet. Socialism is the project to build communism, and is the bit where there are lots of different approaches. The ones that have persisted tend to be the ones that deploy strategies to maintain security and national identity against outside forces, hence why the general impression is that socialism to build communism is fierce and authoritarian. You just never hear about the ones that arent because they dont last long enough to get noticed I was under the impression that Socialism and Communism are two different forms of government, how is Socialism meant to lead to Communism?
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nine-gear crow posted:She found that last millimeter of ladder that was left unsawn and took a Dremel to its splinters. She wouldn't be much of a republican if she didn't try her best to live up to the party ideal of FYGM
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May 2, 2021 12:21
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I was under the impression that Socialism and Communism are two different forms of government, how is Socialism meant to lead to Communism? Depends on the type, an ML will approach it differently than an anarchist and a Maoist will be different still. Centralize, decentralize, middle class, lumpen, lots of different options really. The shared characteristics tend to be broad strokes stuff that are a much clearer path to communism, like labor owning the means of production and it's own surplus value, decommodification of human rights, and expropriation of and disempowerment of the ruling class. That last one is a big one, lots of regimes blinked when it came to that and regretted it. Cant let the reactionaries keep their weapons and power. I guess the equivalent would be the various flavors of capitalism we see, all with the pretty clear by now end goal of one dude owning everything and anybody too poor to rent from him being long dead. Lots of paths to the big city
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Epic High Five posted:Depends on the type, an ML will approach it differently than an anarchist and a Maoist will be different still. Centralize, decentralize, middle class, lumpen, lots of different options really. The shared characteristics tend to be broad strokes stuff that are a much clearer path to communism, like labor owning the means of production and it's own surplus value, decommodification of human rights, and expropriation of and disempowerment of the ruling class. That last one is a big one, lots of regimes blinked when it came to that and regretted it. Cant let the reactionaries keep their weapons and power. Alright, I get that. It ties into my whole "it's hard to get people to follow rules" thing, they're socialist with the end goal of setting up a country that's structured in such a way that communism can exist, but no country has ever actually made it that far yet.
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And there will always be a certain non-trivial percentage of people who just won’t buy into the concept and will say “gently caress other people, I’m looking out for #1”. Those people own the world right now but in a socialist environment you have to reeducate/gulag them, which ain’t great optics
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May 2, 2021 12:38
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May 2, 2021 12:42
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Data Graham posted:And there will always be a certain non-trivial percentage of people who just won’t buy into the concept and will say “gently caress other people, I’m looking out for #1”. Yeah, those people will always exist so the best we can hope for is to create societal systems where that kind of behavior isn't actively encouraged and rewarded at the cost of other people's lives like it is under capitalism.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Alright, I get that. It ties into my whole "it's hard to get people to follow rules" thing, they're socialist with the end goal of setting up a country that's structured in such a way that communism can exist, but no country has ever actually made it that far yet. The priority and nature of national identity and its strength is separate from, but informed by, the primary economic mode of said nation. The same thing is true of the laws of the land and how strictly they are observed or enforced. Theres not really a consistent character one can associate with either mode as those two things are a messy mixture of a whole host of things. The most you can say is that the commies will probably deploy historical materialism to explain and guide things, and the fat cats will use markets or revisionism. The old school ones used to take the commie approach but used for evil but we are a few generations of true believers deep at this point
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Ms Adequate posted:It hasn't moved my parents into being pro-atom but they are pretty strongly opposed to nuclear power and they think Fukushima is a terrible argument against nuclear power. From what I can tell though they don't, they think she is one of the good ones according to the conservatives I know irl. I think she has a better chance at governor than people think
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Feldegast42 posted:From what I can tell though they don't, they think she is one of the good ones according to the conservatives I know irl. I think she has a better chance at governor than people think Oh please. She's not winning statewide office in that state. In fact I doubt it'll come to that, because Gavin won't be recalled.
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Feldegast42 posted:From what I can tell though they don't, they think she is one of the good ones according to the conservatives I know irl. I think she has a better chance at governor than people think The right isn't just immune to hypocrisy, it's their most powerful weapon.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
(I realize that is not what she is saying.) I'm so tired how this is always this dumb one-way concern trolling for something that matters to almost no-one. What would these bans do for trans folk assigned female at birth? We're worried about unfairness in school sports? Well can we ban the big kids then? What about kids who hit puberty before others? What about the wealthier kids who have access to a better diet, equipment and training? Hell, we should just ban sports altogether, they'll never really be fair.
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