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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

John Charity Spring posted:

today I remembered how one of the things Trotsky was working on when we was assassinated was a discussion of the revolutionary potential of the Wehrmacht


not his best analysis

leon... rethink this

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apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
lol dumbass. he shoulda helped the wehrmacht occupy poland instead

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Larry Parrish posted:

Ferrinus is a disingenuous liberal. Or at least that's the rational explanation. The other option is they're a psiop or legitimately brain damaged.

Anyway none of that poo poo makes sense or is even a rational response. Moron.

From a bunch on pages back, but you've been trying to pick a fight with Ferrinus for awhile and its tiresome and seems to be a deliberate attempt to stir up infighting and drama.

Frankly I think you care more about your ego and drama than any cause at best. At worst you're deliberately wrecking.

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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Hodgepodge posted:

From a bunch on pages back, but you've been trying to pick a fight with Ferrinus for awhile and its tiresome and seems to be a deliberate attempt to stir up infighting and drama.

Frankly I think you care more about your ego and drama than any cause at best. At worst you're deliberately wrecking.

shut up

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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why should I?

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

apropos to nothing posted:

lol dumbass. he shoulda helped the wehrmacht occupy poland instead

"helped" occupy poland isn't really an honest description of dividing the country 50/50 as opposed to, say, 100/0

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

apropos to nothing posted:

lol dumbass. he shoulda helped the wehrmacht occupy poland instead

Fun fact: The Wermacht had surrounded Lvov and Brest before they were forced to pull back to the demarcation line

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 2, 2021

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Hodgepodge posted:

why should I?

shut up

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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You first.

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THS
Sep 15, 2017

Hodgepodge posted:

You first.

no you

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i'm so glad probating larry solved the discourse problem in this thread

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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This is going to shock you, but a bunch of people telling me to shut up in the never shutting up sub forum isnt going to make me shut up.

It just makes it look like either Larry is so toxic that any criticism of him is a derail you're afraid of, or that you're his pals and just care about having his back.

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Lasting Damage
Feb 26, 2006

Fallen Rib
yeah thanks man lets return to this really interesting topic of how people post, its way better than chilling out and having a laugh at trotsky's biggest Ls

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Hodgepodge posted:

This is going to shock you, but a bunch of people telling me to shut up in the never shutting up sub forum isnt going to make me shut up.

It just makes it look like either Larry is so toxic that any criticism of him is a derail you're afraid of, or that you're his pals and just care about having his back.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

Lasting Damage posted:

yeah thanks man lets return to this really interesting topic of how people post, its way better than chilling out and having a laugh at trotsky's biggest Ls

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

i like and appreciate both Trotsky and Stalin for their contributions to one of the greatest human achievements ever

mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 21:24 on May 2, 2021

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i'm so glad probating larry solved the discourse problem in this thread

class struggle sharpens, rather than attenuates, under socialism

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Lasting Damage posted:

yeah thanks man lets return to this really interesting topic of how people post, its way better than chilling out and having a laugh at trotsky's biggest Ls

i'd like to think we can have this and also suggest that a given goon get off (or on) another goon's dick at times

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Hodgepodge posted:

At worst you're deliberately wrecking.

wrecking what

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

John Charity Spring posted:

today I remembered how one of the things Trotsky was working on when we was assassinated was a discussion of the revolutionary potential of the Wehrmacht


not his best analysis

Tbf WWI and all the defections/sympathies for enemy soldiers it produced was surely a source of optimism for socialists. Too bad so many Germans were full of zeal about being "stabbed in the back" by the late 1930s

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Yossarian-22 posted:

Tbf WWI and all the defections/sympathies for enemy soldiers it produced was surely a source of optimism for socialists. Too bad so many Germans were full of zeal about being "stabbed in the back" by the late 1930s

it was popularly fantasized that nazi soldiers and citizens - and, indeed, soviet soldiers and citizens - didn't "really" know what they were doing, or were just too intimidated to act on their consciences, and would simply be shocked out of their stupor and become good liberals given the right stimulus. certainly trotsky himself wrote at times that a nazi invasion would serve as an impetus for the true socialists to overthrow stalin and his bureaucracy from below and set the ussr back on the right path

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Ferrinus posted:

it was popularly fantasized that nazi soldiers and citizens - and, indeed, soviet soldiers and citizens - didn't "really" know what they were doing, or were just too intimidated to act on their consciences, and would simply be shocked out of their stupor and become good liberals given the right stimulus. certainly trotsky himself wrote at times that a nazi invasion would serve as an impetus for the true socialists to overthrow stalin and his bureaucracy from below and set the ussr back on the right path

Whatever you say Grover Furr

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

I like the way you do that right thurr
Switch your hips when you're walking, grover furr

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

Hodgepodge posted:

From a bunch on pages back, but you've been trying to pick a fight with Ferrinus for awhile and its tiresome and seems to be a deliberate attempt to stir up infighting and drama.

Frankly I think you care more about your ego and drama than any cause at best. At worst you're deliberately wrecking.

lol

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Yossarian-22 posted:

Whatever you say Grover Furr

listen, i'm not saying trotsky was drawing on family connections to deliberately move money through nazi germany in order to hasten the collapse of the soviet order. but, now that you mention it,

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
I've got a pamphlet from 1939 called Through Soviet Russia by Major AS Hooper, a British army officer and certainly no communist although a vocal advocate of allying with the Soviets to fight the Nazis, and it's really fascinating as a travelogue from an outsider. He travelled through Ukraine and to Baku and then to Moscow in 1937 and it's full of interesting descriptions of just regular life in the USSR and how collective farms and soviet democracy worked, the kind of cultural life in cities and towns, and even a glimpse at how ordinary people viewed the onset of the Great Purge. I picked it up when one of the communist parties was doing a clearout of stuff in their offices when I happened to be in London a few years and I haven't found it anywhere online, so I could maybe post some photos of pages from it if anyone's interested and I find the time to do so. I'd scan it but I don't have a scanner, so terrible phone camera pictures are the next best thing.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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i looked at the pages i skipped, and i guess its about the most sacred tenant of socialist thought, calling people retards

what a waste of pixels

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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with my last breath, i croak out the fatal word

reeeeeeetarddzzasvbn

and die in peace knowing i used my final act to take the pig down with me, true revolutionary to the end

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002

John Charity Spring posted:

I've got a pamphlet from 1939 called Through Soviet Russia by Major AS Hooper, a British army officer and certainly no communist although a vocal advocate of allying with the Soviets to fight the Nazis, and it's really fascinating as a travelogue from an outsider. He travelled through Ukraine and to Baku and then to Moscow in 1937 and it's full of interesting descriptions of just regular life in the USSR and how collective farms and soviet democracy worked, the kind of cultural life in cities and towns, and even a glimpse at how ordinary people viewed the onset of the Great Purge. I picked it up when one of the communist parties was doing a clearout of stuff in their offices when I happened to be in London a few years and I haven't found it anywhere online, so I could maybe post some photos of pages from it if anyone's interested and I find the time to do so. I'd scan it but I don't have a scanner, so terrible phone camera pictures are the next best thing.

Yeah I would be interested in it, if anything I would be up for seeing the whole thing.

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!

Hodgepodge posted:

From a bunch on pages back, but you've been trying to pick a fight with Ferrinus for awhile and its tiresome and seems to be a deliberate attempt to stir up infighting and drama.

Frankly I think you care more about your ego and drama than any cause at best. At worst you're deliberately wrecking.

stfu

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

Ardennes posted:

Yeah I would be interested in it, if anything I would be up for seeing the whole thing.

Cool, I think I'll get a chance to do so maybe on Wednesday or Thursday.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
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somewhere, in a smoke filled room

a nervous, sweating general stands before Biden

"mr president, they know."

biden stares into the distance. his presidency was supposed to be so easy. why couldn't they just let him secure his legacy in peace?

"well general.., what are our options? is there some way we could ban the word?" they had stacked the supreme court. the constitution was no obstacle. nothing was supposed to be an obstacle.

"h...how?" the general stammered. "how can you arrest a man who can kill with a word? who is willing to do the unthinkable? to... to..."

"to call another human being a retard..." biden mused.

then, looking at the generals corpse on the floor, he called for his aide to clean up the mess.

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

Hodgepodge posted:

i looked at the pages i skipped, and i guess its about the most sacred tenant of socialist thought, calling people retards

what a waste of pixels

ahh, maybe next time you should read the pages instead of just looking at them so you can figure out what actually was said. congrats on using the word you hate so much though in a way that is both unnecessary and which the mods will not punish you for :cheers:

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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apropos to nothing posted:

ahh, maybe next time you should read the pages instead of just looking at them so you can figure out what actually was said. congrats on using the word you hate so much though in a way that is both unnecessary and which the mods will not punish you for :cheers:

the idea that not saying is important is a little overblown

the idea that not saying it is anything but a minor inconvenience is incredibly pretentious whining from sheltered babies

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
thank god hodgepodge showed up the moment it looked like the thread was going to get back on track by calling people wreckers, a trot to the end

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Raskolnikov38 posted:

thank god hodgepodge showed up the moment it looked like the thread was going to get back on track by calling people wreckers, a trot to the end

hot to trot even

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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the pigs had him. he would never talk. never betray the people, the world.

a small, bald man in a lab coat approached the table they had strapped him to. false kindness shone from the man's bespectacled eyes.

"good news friend. we have found a way to fix you."

"fix? what are you babbling about you old... old... r...rrrrrrrr"

the doctor smiled, benevolently, in his victory

"your revolution is over, friend."

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

lumpentroll posted:

wrecking what

marrrrrrrrrrrrrge they the kicked me out of the dsa

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

John Charity Spring posted:

I've got a pamphlet from 1939 called Through Soviet Russia by Major AS Hooper, a British army officer and certainly no communist although a vocal advocate of allying with the Soviets to fight the Nazis, and it's really fascinating as a travelogue from an outsider. He travelled through Ukraine and to Baku and then to Moscow in 1937 and it's full of interesting descriptions of just regular life in the USSR and how collective farms and soviet democracy worked, the kind of cultural life in cities and towns, and even a glimpse at how ordinary people viewed the onset of the Great Purge. I picked it up when one of the communist parties was doing a clearout of stuff in their offices when I happened to be in London a few years and I haven't found it anywhere online, so I could maybe post some photos of pages from it if anyone's interested and I find the time to do so. I'd scan it but I don't have a scanner, so terrible phone camera pictures are the next best thing.

if you are willing to part with it, it might be worthwhile to hit up this goon
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3934654&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

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