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Veryslightlymad posted:Is it possible to find co conspirators to murder? Because I got murdered by a guy that absolutely should not have been able to murder me, and, if possible, I would like to cut a blazing swath of justice through my old court before completely obliterating his pathetic and mismanaged realm. Opened the thread without really looking which one it was, that second line had me 
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Shellception posted:Opened the thread without really looking which one it was, that second line had me I'm very curious what thread you briefly thought you were in.
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May 4, 2021 10:16
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It's a secret thread only for highlanders
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just lol if you are not in the immortal subforum, im the op of the vampire thread
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Veryslightlymad posted:In my current run I've seen one-province counts successfully defeat both the AI-formed Empire of Francia and, in one instance, an aggressively expansionist Pope. The main problem with factions is pretty much the same as with Crusades – the AI is completely unable to coordinate multiple allied armies against a doomstack.
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I'm not entirely sure that being an agent is a crime unless it's specifically directed at you, as in your current character, or if they even get dinged for the crime they help commit. The general rule is, the main schemer is protected from detection up until the moment the attempt is made, at which point they can end up being detected and accused for the crime (or it generates a secret that can be discovered later). Agents, on the other hand, can be detected while the scheme is building (which generates the “scheming against me” crime), but seem to be in the clear once the deed is done, irrespective of any other outcomes. But that's just from reading the rule descriptions, and definitely not from any kind of experimentation so take it with a subcontinent worth of salt — whether that's how it actually ends up working is a very good question.
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agents can be caught I think? I always end up with a bunch of nobodies who I can imprison for scheming against me and I doubt many of them were the schemer. also we should be able to torture the name of the schemer out of agents instead of it not being labelled a secret to be found. what’s the point of imprisoning the dumbass map makers you catch then
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Veryslightlymad posted:I'm very curious what thread you briefly thought you were in. Some variation of the PYF Unnerving Stories one. Hey, content matched until I actually parsed the information.
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New dev diary Changes to trait interactions and consequences, including Shy no longer generating stress when launching personal schemes. And also AI improvements - mostly about how the AI moves its units while at war.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:agents can be caught I think? I always end up with a bunch of nobodies who I can imprison for scheming against me and I doubt many of them were the schemer. They can be caught, yes, but their crime is the relatively minor “scheming”, not “murder” or “kidnapping”. It also doesn't seem to generate secrets like any of the bigger crimes do, so it's catching them red-handed or nothing as far as I can tell. As for imprisoning them, it probably ties into the whole idea that the schemer is safe until they finally pull the trigger — the choice to use agents isn't meant to change that, but rather to add the cost-benefit analysis of increasing your scheme power but also running the risk of not just losing all that power but having the target become even harder to go after. Throwing agents in jail still ruins their contribution to the scheme, and you can conceivably extract hooks on them that should(?) prevent them from doing it again in the (near) future. But yeah, a (possibly rare) secret revealed through torture would make a whole lot of sense even if that goes against the whole idea of the schemer being safe.
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Dwesa posted:New dev diary More expansion in personality traits is very welcome. I like the trait-based decisions and hope we see a lot of them eventually. This patch looks quite a bit bigger than I was originally expecting.
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Dwesa posted:And also AI improvements - mostly about how the AI moves its units while at war. This alone makes waiting for the patch worth it.
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Gantolandon posted:The main problem with factions is pretty much the same as with Crusades – the AI is completely unable to coordinate multiple allied armies against a doomstack. Well what's really weird is that sometimes they are. I've seen it about 50/50 where the AI understands it needs to mob up and force a battle, but it feels equally likely that they'll just sit there letting all their supplies exhaust until the "oh poo poo I'm losing this war" effect kicks in and then they commit mass suicide. Dev diary looks like a good change though, hopefully it pans out. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 16:57 on May 4, 2021 |
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Fun trip report: Trying to get the North Sea empire formed. Started a new game, starting at Oslo. Had one daughter, my spouse got murdered, decided to not have any more kids. That daughter inherits, forms Norway, and Denmark. She has one son (Embraced Celibacy afterward to manage inheritance). Marries him to princess from Brittany. They have one kid, then the son dies at 19 in a battle in a war that Brittany had called me in as an ally. So I'm left with my queen of Norway/Denmark and her infant grandson. I invade England (which is shattered into a variety of duchies). Conquer that, form England. Almost have all the territory for North Sea, just waiting for Truces for a 3 county count that has 3 disjoint counties completely spread out. My Queen of Norway/Denmark/England dies at long last, the grandson (who is now 17) inherits. I betrothed him to the only Intelligent woman available to marry, but she's 12. Consolidating my rule, declare war on the last disjoint counties to lock in the North Sea territory. Married his betrothed as she comes of age. And then my ruler, last of his dynasty, gets bubonic plague and dies in a few months. No children. End of Game. Welp. Q: Schemes The princess from Brittany I married was ... fourth in the line of succession. I assume it's unlikely to be able to Murder Scheme my way to having the infant grandson be the joint heir for both realms, right? I was seeing like 20% success chance and 8 year duration for each scheme... of course my character was not Intrigue focused, how much better does the Intrigue lifestyles / approach make this? Q: Good capitals for the North Sea Empire attempt? I guess Sjaelland is probably the best? Trying to figure out something that works well across England/Denmark/Norway.
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alcaras posted:
Good intrigue would make that almost trivial if you were starting at 20 already. Assuming your intrigue was like, 8 or something. A guy with about 20+ intrigue and the actual bonuses, plus maybe a good or great spymaster set to "support schemes" can get nasty fast. Even better with a competent spouse. Edit As in "sometimes you gotta murder a Pope or Byzantine Emperor" For capital, well, it depends on how much you enjoy stewardship. If you don't like painstakingly raising development, then probably wherever starts high already. Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 17:18 on May 4, 2021 |
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alcaras posted:Q: Good capitals for the North Sea Empire attempt? I chose London/Middlesex because it's got a unique building and lots of farmlands. In terms of flavor it's not exactly central, but it is a pretty good duchy/county to hold for yourself. Edit: Which isn't where I started, I started in Sjaelland I think, but I moved to London after forming the empire and switching to Norman culture. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 19:45 on May 4, 2021 |
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alcaras posted:Q: Good capitals for the North Sea Empire attempt? I did it starting in Vestfold with a custom ruler without much difficulty.
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crossposting from the general Paradox threadPittTheElder posted:Oh man, whoever said they really opened up the interface to modders in CK3 wasn't kidding. I just went looking at mods to see if any balance mods existed yet, and found this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2218592748
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Raskolnikov38 posted:agents can be caught I think? I always end up with a bunch of nobodies who I can imprison for scheming against me and I doubt many of them were the schemer. The map maker event should have an option to torture him to reveal the scheme. It might rely upon being sadistic or a torturer, I don't remember anymore. It's a great one to get though, since it's a free high martial + prowess character after you imprison and then recruit. From what I remember they aren't scripted to have any real opinion of you, so other than the usual temporary opinion penalty for force recruit they are perfectly loyal.
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Veryslightlymad posted:Is it possible to find co conspirators to murder? Because I got murdered by a guy that absolutely should not have been able to murder me, and, if possible, I would like to cut a blazing swath of justice through my old court before completely obliterating his pathetic and mismanaged realm. While the scheme is ongoing you can catch agents, but if the murder has already happened I don't think you can find them after the fact.
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PittTheElder posted:While the scheme is ongoing you can catch agents, but if the murder has already happened I don't think you can find them after the fact. your spymaster can discover murder secrets if you think you know who did it
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is there still no linking armies? every game i've started ends when it gets to the point where i have to call in allies and vassals to deal with AI doomstacks and instead of all attacking at once they run around in circles getting picked off piecemeal.
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I noticed yesterday that I could link my armies, which I was definitely not interested in doing.
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PittTheElder posted:crossposting from the general Paradox thread  POPULISTS!!
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Hot take: Congenital traits should be hidden until you are in adolescence and the trait dynasty legacy should give you a good chance at shrewd or strong instead of letting you breed a stable of superhumans.
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Dwesa posted:New dev diary That shy change is great and makes it not a massive pain in the rear end to have. Looking forward to killing many characters by trying to force development growth as well. 
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Lawman 0 posted:Hot take: Congenital traits should be hidden until you are in adolescence and the trait dynasty legacy should give you a good chance at shrewd or strong instead of letting you breed a stable of superhumans. no I need to perfect my golden path Islamic Russia game first
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I'm poking around at creating a mod for myself just to see if I can cure some of the things that bug me the most. Anyone have ideas as to why Islamic Clans are so profoundly weak in the late game? I was surprised to see the minimum levy contribution was so high. Are they just not building buildings?Lawman 0 posted:Hot take: Congenital traits should be hidden until you are in adolescence and the trait dynasty legacy should give you a good chance at shrewd or strong instead of letting you breed a stable of superhumans. 
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Lawman 0 posted:Hot take: Congenital traits should be hidden until you are in adolescence and the trait dynasty legacy should give you a good chance at shrewd or strong instead of letting you breed a stable of superhumans.  The entire point of these games (all 3 CKs) is that they are superhuman breeding sims first, everything else second.
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PittTheElder posted:crossposting from the general Paradox thread Speaking of: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2477273689
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ZombieLenin posted:
Just lol if you don't actually get worse rulers over time and pull them to greatness by fending off total collapse Edit If the best alliance/claims/whatever is attached to a stupid dwarf, then it's wedding bells for Dopey.
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Veryslightlymad posted:Just lol if you don't actually get worse rulers over time and pull them to greatness by fending off total collapse This is absolute fact!  I think everyone starts off trying to breed the kwisatz haderach briefly at first because it's good for a quick laugh, but only the truly enlightened progress to embracing the likes of Charles II of Spain.Only pitiful comet-fearers strive for genetic perfection.  I mean, sometimes if you're lucky, you get a hopeless sack of poo poo as your ruler, who somehow survives the odds and becomes a legitimately good ruler! That's what happened to my possessed idiot baby (who murdered his mother as an infant) in CK2, who later ended up becoming immortal....just uh, ignore his first hundred years, before he became a good person. Those were some rough years.
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One of my vassals is the Muwalladi Caliph, and he has 35(??) Learning. I moused over him and his base is 4 So like, if you survive to middle age in CK3, you're gonna be good at at least your chosen field. At least.
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Just did a successful Al-Andulus run in one life starting in 867*. Don't know if it was cheesing it, but I also set "Scandinavian Adventurers" to Apocalyptic, which doesn't remove Ironman. Otherwise: 1. Made a 400 pt custom leader for the Umayyads focused on military with Visigothic culture 2. Loading in, all of my vassals hated me because of culture. (*Only restart was only a few months in because the Independence faction.) 3. Immediately went to war with the kingdom with ~two counties just east of Asturias and gave land one of the vassals in the faction. (*This broke the faction in the second run) 4. Kept assassinating West Francia/Burgundian Kings to keep them weak. 5. Took turns attacking them and Asturias for truce cooldown. 6. Married kids to N African kingdoms for alliances but didn't really need them. guidoanselmi fucked around with this message at 08:01 on May 5, 2021 |
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I think hiding those traits until adolescence would be a great “Game Rules” addition - some people would absolutely embrace it, while others would hate it. A toggle would give us a new “right way to play the game” thing to argue about, thereby making everyone happy!
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Veryslightlymad posted:Just lol if you don't actually get worse rulers over time and pull them to greatness by fending off total collapse Nah, you’re doing it wrong. Just manufacture the claims you want, or better yet, covert to a new religion so you can Holy War your neighbors. Fake Edit I am joking, but when you really think about any of the CKs, you really truly never need to marry for a claim as there are so many mechanics that allow you to get claims, or conquest without them, that it is totally unnecessary. And yes, I get that by utilizing these you are sort of missing out on some of the fun of the game, but the game can really truly be played without worrying one iota about claims or alliances through marriages.
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ZombieLenin posted:Nah, you’re doing it wrong. Just manufacture the claims you want, or better yet, covert to a new religion so you can Holy War your neighbors. Yeah, but it's not fun. I want to barely survive and only expand because my neighbors forced me to. I want beloved brothers that become backstabbing uncles. I want to have my lands split apart sometimes.
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guidoanselmi posted:Don't know if it was cheesing it, but I also set "Scandinavian Adventurers" to Apocalyptic, which doesn't remove Ironman. It's the best way to play, because you end up with absolute chaos all throughout Europe. I've had a few game overs when one of them decided to take my land, but it's always worth having on IMO. A shame it only goes for the first 100 years though.
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