[Podcasts] this is the psychosis vomit thread

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Atrocious Joe posted:

30 year old quotes about NED being a tool for US imperialism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...05f3_story.html

https://twitter.com/NEDemocracy/status/1355252385199828995?s=20

There�s a reason I said Anarchists in the 21st century are best summed up by the US State Department Mission Statement

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gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Matthiessen

The defence I see most often, and the one that is most concerning, is that because these journalists and media figures say mildly critical things about the US government, that means they can't possibly be CIA or assets or cutouts. I urge you to click on the above link to understand why that is ludicrous. If the CIA were not good at making insiders seem like authentic outsiders, if they weren't good at using well meaning saps with vaguely left politics and big media platforms as unwitting dupes for the Natsec line, to get the attention of young left leaning people, if they weren't capable of engendering enough goodwill to place these people with mics and cameras on the front lines of, say, an anti-cop protest in a well known leftist city like Portland, then they would not be very good at what they do, would they. They are spooks. Their job is to create convincing forgeries of real people with real leftist credentials for hardheaded strategic reasons.

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xtal: Jan 9, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Trabisnikof posted:

How about you just tell us the topic of 1 of your 3 podcasts? You can pick the least embarrassing of the topics!

Surely they can’t all be that shameful?

We review every episode of Veep from a feminist LGBT perspective

xtal has issued a correction as of 00:05 on May 5, 2021

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Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

eventually I'm just going to say xtal is on my podcast to trick someone into listening to it

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StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

gh0stpinballa posted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Matthiessen

The defence I see most often, and the one that is most concerning, is that because these journalists and media figures say mildly critical things about the US government, that means they can't possibly be CIA or assets or cutouts. I urge you to click on the above link to understand why that is ludicrous. If the CIA were not good at making insiders seem like authentic outsiders, if they weren't good at using well meaning saps with vaguely left politics and big media platforms as unwitting dupes for the Natsec line, to get the attention of young left leaning people, if they weren't capable of engendering enough goodwill to place these people with mics and cameras on the front lines of, say, an anti-cop protest in a well known leftist city like Portland, then they would not be very good at what they do, would they. They are spooks. Their job is to create convincing forgeries of real people with real leftist credentials for hardheaded strategic reasons.

Using this opportunity to remind people Gloria Steinem was an open paid informant for the CIA

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Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Breadallelogram posted:

eventually I'm just going to say xtal is on my podcast to trick someone into listening to it

You have the iowa podcast right?

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Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Mr Hootington posted:

You have the iowa podcast right?

yep https://rockhardcauc.us

I can't imagine it's super interesting to anyone with no connection to the area but we have fun making it

e: less self-serving content
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1388851621648605189

Breadallelogram has issued a correction as of 00:19 on May 5, 2021

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Dr. Jerrold Coe: Feb 6, 2021; Is it me?

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

What does the name brown moses mean

It's a Zappa song, so you know that Higgins works hard but he also plays hard.

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Populon: Mar 1, 2008; What's the matter,scared?

xtal is felix beiderman

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Farm Frenzy: Jan 3, 2007

i dont min d if one or several of my fellow goons are CIA agents the podcasts thread is a welcoming place

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Dr. Jerrold Coe: Feb 6, 2021; Is it me?

Let's make the water turn black

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THS: Sep 15, 2017

gh0stpinballa posted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Matthiessen

The defence I see most often, and the one that is most concerning, is that because these journalists and media figures say mildly critical things about the US government, that means they can't possibly be CIA or assets or cutouts. I urge you to click on the above link to understand why that is ludicrous. If the CIA were not good at making insiders seem like authentic outsiders, if they weren't good at using well meaning saps with vaguely left politics and big media platforms as unwitting dupes for the Natsec line, to get the attention of young left leaning people, if they weren't capable of engendering enough goodwill to place these people with mics and cameras on the front lines of, say, an anti-cop protest in a well known leftist city like Portland, then they would not be very good at what they do, would they. They are spooks. Their job is to create convincing forgeries of real people with real leftist credentials for hardheaded strategic reasons.

yeah youd basically have to believe the US government isnt trying to do this kind of stuff. when they absolutely have the means, personnel, motive, and basically limitless funding to do this kind of stuff

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Dr. Jerrold Coe: Feb 6, 2021; Is it me?

For Pete's sake the entire "anti-communist left" was receiving funding and platforms from the CIA during the cold war, it didn't matter if they said critical things of empire as long as they served a purpose for empire.

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Dr. Killjoy: Oct 9, 2012

lmao that LaRouche was literally completely right when he accused a rival socialist organization of targeting him under FBI directive
(confirmation came out later under FOIA)

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THS: Sep 15, 2017

Jetto Jagga posted:

For Pete's sake the entire "anti-communist left" was receiving funding and platforms from the CIA during the cold war, it didn't matter if they said critical things of empire as long as they served a purpose for empire.

i rapidly go between thinking people like higgins or evans understand this and are cynical, or have self-duped, but ultimately it doesn�t matter. they are pawns of imperialism, and are financially compensated for it. and it�s drat cheap for the US government to do so, a real bargain

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Fortaleza: Feb 21, 2008

Peter Matthiessen's The Snow Leopard is a really good book.

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Dr. Jerrold Coe: Feb 6, 2021; Is it me?

THS posted:

i rapidly go between thinking people like higgins or evans understand this and are cynical, or have self-duped, but ultimately it doesn�t matter. they are pawns of imperialism, and are financially compensated for it. and it�s drat cheap for the US government to do so, a real bargain

LOL I like to think that Higgins is thick enough that he didn't know who was signing his paychecks until the twitter trolls told him

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018; Can't post for 2 hours!

Jetto Jagga posted:

LOL I like to think that Higgins is thick enough that he didn't know who was signing his paychecks until the twitter trolls told him

There was an interview with him a while back where he bragged about how playing video games all day is what "developed" his investigative abilities. So I legitimately think he attributes all the success to himself.

The CIA was very lucky when they managed to hire another smooth brained D&D mod.

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Shipon: Nov 7, 2005

THS posted:

i rapidly go between thinking people like higgins or evans understand this and are cynical, or have self-duped, but ultimately it doesn�t matter. they are pawns of imperialism, and are financially compensated for it. and it�s drat cheap for the US government to do so, a real bargain

it is pretty hard for most people to resist a big fat paycheck to compromise even a little bit on one of their values while nominally being allowed to hold their others

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some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Shipon posted:

it is pretty hard for most people to resist a big fat paycheck to compromise even a little bit on one of their values while nominally being allowed to hold their others

It helps that Higgins doesn't seem to have any values beyond wanting to be a very clever boy who gets praise for his real grown up investigating from people with important sounding titles

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Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

some plague rats posted:

It helps that Higgins doesn't seem to have any values beyond wanting to be a very clever boy who gets praise for his real grown up investigating from people with important sounding titles

gently caress man if i could get cia money for reading wikipedia, staring at some satellite phots and playing dota 2 i'd do it, although I'd hate myself for the last thing

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Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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some plague rats posted:

It helps that Higgins doesn't seem to have any values beyond wanting to be a very clever boy who gets praise for his real grown up investigating from people with important sounding titles

finally, higgins has become a real american journalist after all

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DirtyRobot: Dec 15, 2003; it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

Jetto Jagga posted:

For Pete's sake the entire "anti-communist left" was receiving funding and platforms from the CIA during the cold war, it didn't matter if they said critical things of empire as long as they served a purpose for empire.

It's too long to post the whole thing, but there's a good bit in Joel Whitney's Finks: How the CIA Tricked the World's Best Writers about how the CIA that addresses both how the CIA thinks of this stuff... and also what the "line" is for when they stepped in to censor this or that idea.

The hypocrisy here is *chefs kiss*

quote:

"Defending his role in the episode, one agent sought to draw a clear line between what 'they' do directly and what 'we' do indirectly. 'This was all about efforts to create vehicles which by definition were articulators of Western values, of free and open debate. We didn't tell them what to do, that would've been inconsistent with the American tradition.' He continued in euphemism, 'This doesn�t mean there weren�t themes we wanted to see discussed, but we didn�t tell them what to do.... We did not feed the line to anyone.'23" (95)

quote:

�Future CIA director William Colby agreed, recalling, 'There was not [an] imposition of control from the CIA. We were supporting but not bossing, not telling what to do. You might sit down and as good friends you could argue about whether this particular line would make sense of that, but there was no sense of, This is it, bang! It comes from Washington.. .. That goes for Moscow but it didn�t go for Washington'" (95).

quote:

�But the evidence contradicts Colby and Williams, along with several other examples of more subtle censorship� (95)

Some examples he gives are:

A Dwight MacDonald article called "America! America!" which was mostly about America's lovely mass culture but also contextualized that against other countries ("we don't impress them"). It was published in Dissent magazine but I can't get access.
A pro-China article by Emily Hahn. Whitney is citing Saunders's The Cultural Cold War, and neither of them give any indication that some version of the article ever appeared. (They both just cite the back 'n forth letters of the editors saying the article is too "hysterical.")
John Berger's A Painter of Our Time, which had a (sort of?) positive line about J�nos K�d�r, who sided with the Soviets in the Hungarian Revolution.
The way Hollywood had a CIA spy � either Carlton Alsop or Luigi G Luraschi (Whitney thinks it was Luraschi � who would effectively make sure certain kinds of progressive messaging got censored (for example, accurate portrayals of the treatment of black people in the American south).

The Emily Hahn piece is instructive regarding how certain kinds of progressive messaging were okay... but there *was* a line:

quote:

Guidelines on who had the power to accept pieces or �veto� them were made clear from the beginning. Macdonald�s sarcastic suggestion (that they send every piece up the chain to the government funders first, to save time) was the actual policy�if the piece was controversial. These guidelines were repeated upon Encounter's one-year anniversary, when a piece on China was accepted.14 CIA officer Thomas Braden later recalled, �We had some trouble with Encounter from time to time, and I used to say, �Let them publish whatever they want.� But there was one time ... Encounter was to publish a piece that was critical of US policy, and we had a helluva fight back at the office. I remember going up and talking to Allen Dulles, and he refused to get involved. He just said, 'You handle it.� So we finally axed it, and I am sorry we axed it.� (p. 93)

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Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

A regrettable episode, but it's all in the past now!

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MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

StashAugustine posted:

Using this opportunity to remind people Gloria Steinem was an open paid informant for the CIA

Holy poo poo ahaha.

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V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

i had drat near a mental breakdown when i realised that extremely senior figures in the post-war norwegian labour party were close collaborators with the CIA (one of them worked with the OSS during the war and the other retired to a mansion in florida lol) and that this likely motivated a whole raft of odd political developments during the development of the norwegian welfare state

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Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

most of europe post-marshall plan has basically been the US experimenting with new forms of liberal state

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KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

V. Illych L. posted:

i had drat near a mental breakdown when i realised that extremely senior figures in the post-war norwegian labour party were close collaborators with the CIA (one of them worked with the OSS during the war and the other retired to a mansion in florida lol) and that this likely motivated a whole raft of odd political developments during the development of the norwegian welfare state

It's funny I'll always remember this one argument that a teacher I had always used against Communism and it was even after living under fascism Italy and West Germany wouldn't elect Communists. Than I learned that the CIA pretty much made sure that would never happen. Funny how that never gets taught

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Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

who killed olof palme tho am i right

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KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

who killed olof palme tho am i right

That the one the Chapo guys talked about a bit in the Red Scorpion episode, right?

Has Truanon done an episode about Dag Hammarskjöld?

KomradeX has issued a correction as of 03:26 on May 6, 2021

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Josh Christ: Dec 24, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

Halloween Jack posted:

If you all are still baffled by Robert Evans and his politics, just take him at his word when he says his life goal is to move to a remote polyamorous compound where he can shoot blocks of Tannerite all day.

This sounds tight as hell though, who doesn't want this?

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mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

anyone got a podcast app recommendation. i've been using pocket casts but for some reason it refuses to show episodes from season 2 of the blowback pirate feed and other pirate feeds.

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some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

mila kunis posted:

anyone got a podcast app recommendation. i've been using pocket casts but for some reason it refuses to show episodes from season 2 of the blowback pirate feed and other pirate feeds.

A bunch of apps are blocked by the pirate feed. I use pocket casts for 90% of stuff and podcast addict for the three pirate feeds that don't work on the other app. It kinda sucks but it does the job

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a Loving Dog: May 12, 2001; more like a Barking Dog, woof!

overcast

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SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

The Google app plays all the pirate feeds fine

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Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

a Loving Dog posted:

overcast

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scary ghost dog: Aug 5, 2007

mila kunis posted:

anyone got a podcast app recommendation. i've been using pocket casts but for some reason it refuses to show episodes from season 2 of the blowback pirate feed and other pirate feeds.

overcast

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