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Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


cr0y posted:

Whelp that was fun while it lasted

i was very clear with the money that it needed to go up.


edit: i lied, stop here.

Deviant fucked around with this message at 15:13 on May 5, 2021

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cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



How do people flip from calls to puts on a specific security without running into wash sale drama?

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

cr0y posted:

How do people flip from calls to puts on a specific security without running into wash sale drama?

Please be specific, with an example, because with your question as phrased there's no problem at all.

djfooboo
Oct 16, 2004




Inflation and tech overvaluation are scaring me some, but nevertheless he persisted.

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Agronox posted:

Please be specific, with an example, because with your question as phrased there's no problem at all.

For example I have some spy calls that are down 10% from when I bought them, if I sold them (at a loss), used those proceeds to flee to spy puts, and those puts made money, selling those puts at a profit would be a wash sale, no?

Edit: assuming I'm within the 30 day window blah blah blah

Tokyo Sex Whale
Oct 9, 2012

"My butt smells like vanilla ice cream"
ASPS, the foreclosure people, is having a wild day.

I bought it a couple weeks ago at $6.50 so am just barely green now. Earnings call scheduled for 5/10, haven’t seen any news. Day low 5.63, now $6.80 on double volume.

e: 7.18

e: 7.40

Tokyo Sex Whale fucked around with this message at 16:56 on May 5, 2021

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope
Whoa, dogecoin tanking out of nowhere.

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

YeahTubaMike posted:

Whoa, dogecoin tanking out of nowhere.

Yesterday: woah dogecoin spiking out of nowhere

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008

Tokyo Sex Whale posted:

ASPS, the foreclosure people, is having a wild day.

I bought it a couple weeks ago at $6.50 so am just barely green now. Earnings call scheduled for 5/10, haven’t seen any news. Day low 5.63, now $6.80 on double volume.

e: 7.18

e: 7.40

Yeah to the person who popped in here to suggest it as a pick, it's looking pretty drat good right now. Greatly appreciated.

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

cr0y posted:

For example I have some spy calls that are down 10% from when I bought them, if I sold them (at a loss), used those proceeds to flee to spy puts, and those puts made money, selling those puts at a profit would be a wash sale, no?

No. Strike 420 SPY puts and strike 420 SPY calls for example are not substantially similar securities, in fact the type of risk you're taking on there is the opposite from one to the other.

(The caveat is that there ARE ways to structure options transactions in which you're basically putting on the same position with a different name, in which case the wash sale rule would be implicated, but what you describe isn't it.)

Agronox fucked around with this message at 17:15 on May 5, 2021

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Wow what caused the spike on ASPS?

Agronox posted:

No. Strike 420 SPY puts and strike 420 SPY calls for example are not substantially similar securities, in fact the type of risk you're taking on there is the opposite from one to the other.

(The caveat is that there ARE ways to structure options transactions in which you're basically putting on the same position with a different name, in which case the wash sale rule would be implicated, but what you describe isn't it.)

Thanks for this, the fact that they are basically opposite instruments is a good point.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008

cr0y posted:

Wow what caused the spike on ASPS?

A judge just vacated the CDC directive that was preventing people from foreclosing.

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit

reignofevil posted:

A judge just vacated the CDC directive that was preventing people from foreclosing.

username/post

LiterallyAnything
Jul 11, 2008

by vyelkin
Does that mean we will start seeing more inventory in the housing market now?

naughty joystick
Jun 6, 2011

Ola posted:

The markets crashed up during covid, so they must crash down when covid ends.

This might genuinely be the most rational financial forecast I’ve heard all year :hmmrona:

Thirding my thanks to whoever brought up ASPS, CHMA having a nice ~50% day too

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



LiterallyAnything posted:

Does that mean we will start seeing more inventory in the housing market now?

Cruel, but I'm also trying to buy, so I guess :capitalism:

Also, The stock that shall not be named is now my biggest position.

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



Well someone just almost doubled their position in goon fav stock since it got down to my cost basis of 2.20.

In other news I'm down on every stock in my portfolio :v:

Still up a bit over 2% from what I put in like 2 months ago thanks to my CCIV banger.

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire
Yeah at least my cost basis is going down for gewn meme stock.

bollig
Apr 7, 2006

Never Forget.
Don't really know where else to post this but I just had my first official double bagger on price returns alone: CC. It was right on the edge before earnings. With dividends it certainly was a double bagger before today.

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

Red posted:

OXLC has been one of my few greens today.



Slowly but surely, and a nice monthly dividend, too.

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Zypher
Sep 3, 2009

Rutgers

Your 2006
Mythical National
Champions!

Tokyo Sex Whale posted:

Thinking about ASPS.

They provide foreclosure services. Obviously there are no foreclosures right now because everything’s in forbearance or under a moratorium, currently through June. They can’t extend it forever though. If interest rates keep going up refinance is harder, lots of people in forbearance are fatally behind. It’s not safe to assume home prices will decline because mortgage rates go up, but if they do selling your house to avoid foreclosure becomes more difficult too. From 2009-2013 ASPS was a 13 bagger.

Was trading around $19 before COVID hit, currently 8.69, year low was about $6. I’m not sure what signals to look for to start a position, if foreclosures are illegal forever they’ll just go out of business. It’s impossible to project their cash flows and figure how much candle they have to burn because so much of their business is illegal right now. But if you’re bullish on human suffering but want something a little more underground than PLTR or private prisons there you go.

We all thank you for this post.

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



bollig posted:

Don't really know where else to post this but I just had my first official double bagger on price returns alone: CC. It was right on the edge before earnings. With dividends it certainly was a double bagger before today.

That's how it's done 📉:respek:📈

Pillowpants
Aug 5, 2006

Zypher posted:

We all thank you for this post.

Yeah we do!

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Tesla's carbon credit income is drying up, Fiat Chrysler will stop buying.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-emissions-credits-sales-profit-stellantis-fiat-chrysler-2021-5

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames
This casino sucks.

Tokyo Sex Whale
Oct 9, 2012

"My butt smells like vanilla ice cream"

Zypher posted:

We all thank you for this post.

Hey, no prob, anybody that also followed me into TELL: one more day like this and we should be back to even.

bollig posted:

Don't really know where else to post this but I just had my first official double bagger on price returns alone: CC. It was right on the edge before earnings. With dividends it certainly was a double bagger before today.

I hit big money on CC too but got out in January about 20% too early I guess. It’s pretty rich now imo and the liability agreement with DuPont from a couple months back is potentially disastrous. OTOH I saw some report that pulls potential meme stocks from WSB and it made the list recently so maybe it goes to $200.

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:

This casino sucks.

I don't know what you're upset about, I'm up $1.86 today

gently caress, down $5? I hate this game

Red fucked around with this message at 20:51 on May 5, 2021

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Power hour more like COWER hour amirite

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


bought two 8/20 $RGR 75c's @ 2.25. earnings tonight. low IV. flat recently. no debt. low p/e. their website talks about gun shortages and high demand, and they have a lot of open hiring slots. hopefully I'm not about to eat crap on earnings options, but, low risk overall as % of fun money.

bollig
Apr 7, 2006

Never Forget.

Tokyo Sex Whale posted:



I hit big money on CC too but got out in January about 20% too early I guess. It’s pretty rich now imo and the liability agreement with DuPont from a couple months back is potentially disastrous. OTOH I saw some report that pulls potential meme stocks from WSB and it made the list recently so maybe it goes to $200.

Definitely going to trim it. I'm going to have to sort of reassess how far I want to go with it. I don't know if this was/is still the case but a lot of AIs had trouble with CC as a ticker because in a lot of forums people use CC as an abbreviation for covered call.

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

cr0y posted:

Everyone keeps screaming about the impending crash but really, is there any fundamental reason we can't just keep coasting along? I don't see what other shoe can drop, the world is getting back to work, covid is sort of getting under control on average, general fear is declining, we no longer have a huge wild card in the white house, etc.

We're climbing the wall of worry, inflation is the latest thing to get worked up over. Most likely in 6 months no one will be talking about it and we'll have a new thing everyone is worried about. My guess is that worker shortage and continued supply chain difficulties are the next thing up. This thread is old enough you can go back and look through a decades worth of this kind of stuff

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Are people getting OUT of stocks because of inflation worries? What are they buying with their soon-to-be-worthless money?

(houses, apparently)

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Are people getting OUT of stocks because of inflation worries? What are they buying with their soon-to-be-worthless money?

(houses, apparently)

Crypto, NFTs, and still GME probably

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


pmchem posted:

bought two 8/20 $RGR 75c's @ 2.25. earnings tonight. low IV. flat recently. no debt. low p/e. their website talks about gun shortages and high demand, and they have a lot of open hiring slots. hopefully I'm not about to eat crap on earnings options, but, low risk overall as % of fun money.

https://twitter.com/BillofRights201/status/1390050212379516939

https://twitter.com/BillofRights201/status/1390056370167222279

Dunno how price will go tomorrow but uh the company is doing well

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

TheKevman posted:

Got a question about a strategy I've been thinking about for a little while now with my Playboy option because I haven't really been in this kind of a spot before...

So I bought a 10/15 $22.50c for $11.30 a few weeks ago and Playboy has exploded since, up to (at times) as high as $46.60/share, settling in around $42/share today.

:words:


Was out of town but sold my PLBY 10/15 $22.50c for $30.52 for a net of $19.22 on, best/quickest gain I've had in quite some time (In: 4/12, out 4/26).

blah blah blah.....if only the rest of my portfolio....blah blah blah

added more of the stock-which-shall-not-be-named at 2.19 today, up to 824 shares with a basis of $2.21

My Snap/Pins LEAPS are getting hammered but at least I got my CC's in last Friday instead of waiting until Monday to sell 'em :laugh: I don't think I've ever had CC's plummet so quickly that I've sold before

snagged 100 shares of VSTO because I think the thesis is solid and judging by my local gun shop's ammo shelves and the difficulty my wife has had trying to reserve even the most remote of campgrounds here in Washington, those factors would likely agree as well.

Interested to see how DKNG does Friday. MM handle was absolutely massive, I'm curious to see how it played out for them.

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames

The real fun with that stock is you can see the debates, election day, and January 6th.

You can also see spikes after major news mass shootings because we died and this is hell.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

cr0y posted:

Everyone keeps screaming about the impending crash but really, is there any fundamental reason we can't just keep coasting along? I don't see what other shoe can drop, the world is getting back to work, covid is sort of getting under control on average, general fear is declining, we no longer have a huge wild card in the white house, etc.

I don’t think it is based on much more than the assumption that stocks will return to historical P/E ratios at some point which means either a long period of stagnation which earnings catch up to share prices or a big drop in share prices to bring them into line with earnings.

Personally I don’t think it can happen while interest rates are low, and possibly won’t be allowed to happen ever because the market has become too intertwined with the real economy for policy makers to tolerate a crash.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007


This could drag down biotech across the board, so don't be surprised to see dips in your unrelated biotechs.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Even like... totally unrelated experimental drugs still in the phase 2 trials?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-it

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aejix
Sep 18, 2007

It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim
Pillbug
Does the US "backing" patent waivers actually mean they'd be likely to do it? Personally I doubt it, but that's based on pure cynicism and nothing else. Seems much more likely just to be posturing or making an announcement they can point to in news cycles for a couple weeks while they actually do gently caress all.

If they did actually enforce waiving patents then I can't imagine the amount of financial compensation they would gladly shovel directly into the pockets of those companies tax-free would be anything less than the largest handout in corporate history. Obviously that's still a better outcome for the world if that gets covid under control globally so if those are the two options on the table I hope we get the latter.

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