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Violen posted:dot in general is my favorite part of that whole fiasco Wow, that's insane. Why would your mind even go there? Rather telling of that person's inner life, I think... (i have a knack for page snipes, it seems)
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May 5, 2021 22:17
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The hockey bit will always tickle me so much for a show made in friggin canada, might as well tell a british show that football's a bad word or the scottish golf.
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May 5, 2021 22:22
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They wouldn't be hockey players. The Reboot Characters would be goons, like freaks on a loving sideshow.
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May 5, 2021 22:23
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The thing about Noel for me is that he's next level in doing what he's doing. I think there's an intelligence behind his critiques that seems less that it's come from a political position (I feel like there's maybe one too many critics out there who take the approach of I'm a leftist so this is how I *should* feel) and more because he's really wrestled with the text in question. It helps that he doesn't have an interest in being an on screen performer who REALLY wants to make you laugh and despite my aversion for long videos - I still can't really watch in one go - his tend to have a better pace to them.
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May 5, 2021 22:30
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I’ll have to give Noah’s Disco Elysium review a watch because I generally trust his opinions and I’ve heard a lot of different things about the game’s messaging. Some people say it’s very pro-communist, while others describe it as more even-handed in its politics, only truly being against racists, which is fair enough. If it’s the latter case and it actually tries to create an open-ended philosophical discussion I’ll probably pick it up eventually when it goes on sale.
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May 5, 2021 22:50
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ReBoot once had an entire episode that was a tribute to The Prisoner and I'm not entirely where the overlap is in Canadian nine-year-olds who watched a British spy drama from the 60's.
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May 5, 2021 22:51
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Sankara posted:Noah also had some weird takes about Disco Elysium. Still enjoy listening to his takes though, since he puts effort into it. I can understand where he's coming from, even if I don't agree. You can have an actual conversation. Most people are just like "uhhh it's bad. because of. objectivity." yeah. like i sorta agree with him and i think the writers are disco are actually critical about all the idiologies they make. they are just actually realistically critical of Marxism and communism and poo poo because sure they are marxists and agree with it, but they have also seen its short comings and issues of it existing in the real world beyond theory and such. etc. so i find both noahs and discos takes on it really interesting and nuanced. e X posted:Kind of odd, since going by his looks, he is super obviously a Vietnam veteran turned hippie. i think he is like 30/40 or so, so way too young for nam. also chuds are dumb. DrVenkman posted:The thing about Noel for me is that he's next level in doing what he's doing. I think there's an intelligence behind his critiques that seems less that it's come from a political position (I feel like there's maybe one too many critics out there who take the approach of I'm a leftist so this is how I *should* feel) and more because he's really wrestled with the text in question. It helps that he doesn't have an interest in being an on screen performer who REALLY wants to make you laugh and despite my aversion for long videos - I still can't really watch in one go - his tend to have a better pace to them. yeah, he doesn't just "agree" with something because he is in the same sphere. like i agree with noah personally on alot of the marx stuff and i am someone who does genuinely like Marx at least as someone who made a critical theory and put pen to explanation on why shits hosed up/etc. i like my ideas, because they are my own to some degree. lol Katt posted:15 year old me loved the hell out of Postal 2. yeah. i feel like its kinda of coin toss with edgy comedy. either you end up cool and chill and pretty progressive or at least not chuddy(vivziepop/james gunn/etc) or you look into the loving pit and start to believe poo poo(postal dudes/anthony from O&A, the dude who made foamy) Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:00 on May 5, 2021 |
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May 5, 2021 22:55
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Bakeneko posted:Ill have to give Noahs Disco Elysium review a watch because I generally trust his opinions and Ive heard a lot of different things about the games messaging. Some people say its very pro-communist, while others describe it as more even-handed in its politics, only truly being against racists, which is fair enough. If its the latter case and it actually tries to create an open-ended philosophical discussion Ill probably pick it up eventually when it goes on sale. DE's true scorn is actually aimed at centrists, fascism and racism is treated as obviously idiotic poo poo that deserves to be mocked, but centrism is the one that gets you called out the most in a metatextual level, IMHO. Its take on (state) communism is kinda "we are fighting for a lost cause but we still gotta keep fighting", it's sympathetic but it's not the ~right answer~, which made some people kinda miffed (hi Austin).
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May 5, 2021 23:02
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Yeah moralists (centrists) are the ones who are more or less demonstrably shown to be unable to create a happy world. They won in every objective way possible, but everyone is still miserable including the moralists.Bakeneko posted:I’ll have to give Noah’s Disco Elysium review a watch because I generally trust his opinions and I’ve heard a lot of different things about the game’s messaging. Some people say it’s very pro-communist, while others describe it as more even-handed in its politics, only truly being against racists, which is fair enough. If it’s the latter case and it actually tries to create an open-ended philosophical discussion I’ll probably pick it up eventually when it goes on sale. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 23:11 on May 5, 2021 |
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May 5, 2021 23:05
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Bakeneko posted:I’ll have to give Noah’s Disco Elysium review a watch because I generally trust his opinions and I’ve heard a lot of different things about the game’s messaging. Some people say it’s very pro-communist, while others describe it as more even-handed in its politics, only truly being against racists, which is fair enough. If it’s the latter case and it actually tries to create an open-ended philosophical discussion I’ll probably pick it up eventually when it goes on sale. to me its kinda of a mix of both, its foots clearly in the communist/progressive camp and it being probably the best/better option but its also critical of the systems of it and how stuff often ends up being more of a idealized secular version of a "city on a hill". also its mostly about the hosed up sad life of one man and who he just latches on to ideologies to make the pain stop.
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May 5, 2021 23:09
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Dias posted:DE's true scorn is actually aimed at centrists, fascism and racism is treated as obviously idiotic poo poo that deserves to be mocked, but centrism is the one that gets you called out the most in a metatextual level, IMHO. Its take on (state) communism is kinda "we are fighting for a lost cause but we still gotta keep fighting", it's sympathetic but it's not the ~right answer~, which made some people kinda miffed (hi Austin). yeah, that amused me a bit. i liked noahs talk about that. like none of the options are gonna lead to a big utopia or some poo poo in disco elysium(or irl) and austin and friends getting annoyed by that strikes me as naive. like that doesn't mean "give up", it just means fight for better and always keep going for it. there is no "end of history" even on the left.
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May 5, 2021 23:12
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Also Noah is in fact wrong for not liking the ending or Inland Empire.
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May 5, 2021 23:12
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Dias posted:DE's true scorn is actually aimed at centrists, fascism and racism is treated as obviously idiotic poo poo that deserves to be mocked, but centrism is the one that gets you called out the most in a metatextual level, IMHO. Its take on (state) communism is kinda "we are fighting for a lost cause but we still gotta keep fighting", it's sympathetic but it's not the ~right answer~, which made some people kinda miffed (hi Austin). The fascists/racists are shown as being a bunch of sad sacks angry they can't stick their boots on everyone's necks. The moralists are shown as wanting a whole truth in the middle reconciliation idea but only because they've brutally murdered all challenges to their power, and regardless of all that capital must be protected. The communists are shown as unwilling to accept injustice and greed even if it means killing 400 million or more to see a dream of equality. Everyone is equally contemptible in their own way but I'd say the way it presents the Moralintern is the absolute worst. It's basically "the money was threatened, so the money responded" and you end up where the fascists and the communists are both miserable and most of Revechol are just looking for a quick FYGM for being good moralist servants.
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May 5, 2021 23:16
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Terrible Opinions posted:Also Noah is in fact wrong for not liking the ending or Inland Empire. i have mostly put points into rhetoric and poo poo.
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May 5, 2021 23:17
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think he is like 30/40 or so, so way too young for nam. also chuds are dumb. Yeah, NCG is 33 (source: this article from last year) so while he may look the part of the stereotype he's way too young. Actual Vietnam War vets are in their 60s and 70s these days 
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May 5, 2021 23:18
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Mr.Radar posted:Yeah, NCG is 33 (source: this article from last year) so while he may look the part of the stereotype he's way too young. Actual Vietnam War vets are in their 60s and 70s these days well least it means he has a good taste in music.
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May 5, 2021 23:20
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i have mostly put points into rhetoric and poo poo.
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May 5, 2021 23:30
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Terrible Opinions posted:Also good. All DE skills are good. I was just doing another "he's good but" thing because I do genuinely like Inward Empire, but I understand why that sort of prose might get to some people, though I think the specific bit of magical realism at the end related to IE really ties the game together. Whereas Noah didn't like it. yeah i mean. the games world and designs remind me alot of dishonored except if it were in the 1950s-80s and with out the magic(mostly)
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May 5, 2021 23:38
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Disco Elysium is absolutely pro-communist, but it's written and created by a bunch of Marxists who have not only examined but lived through the aftermath of the failures of actually existing 20th century socialist states, and the rise of end-stage capitalism, while still knowing that Marx was right. Its perspective on Marxism is about acknowledging failure and defeat and despair, and then perhaps trying to find something on the other side of that. I mean, just read the Thought Cabinet descriptions for Mazovian Socio-Economics. But then again, maybe that's just me. The game is very personal and that's different for everybody.
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May 5, 2021 23:40
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Hungry posted:Disco Elysium is absolutely pro-communist, but it's written and created by a bunch of Marxists who have not only examined but lived through the aftermath of the failures of actually existing 20th century socialist states, and the rise of end-stage capitalism, while still knowing that Marx was right. Its perspective on Marxism is about acknowledging failure and defeat and despair, and then perhaps trying to find something on the other side of that. Oh, I think that's exactly the intended reading. From https://discoelysium.com/devblog/2019/11/13/the-political-alignment-system quote:No one wants to be associated with communism by the time you get there. The party is over. Theyd rather call themselves socialists and social democrats. No wonder commies got their asses handed to them 50 years ago. Their little commune got wiped off the face of the Earth. Even worse, the civil war gave foreign powers a casus belli to invade Revachol and now look at the poo poo were in. Also, Kras Mazov, the father of scientific communism killed himself.
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May 5, 2021 23:45
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Friendship ended with Inland Empire Now Physical Instrument is my best friend
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May 5, 2021 23:46
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pentyne posted:At some point in Reboot either they switched production studios or some corporate people no longer gave a flying gently caress because between the season 2 finale and season 3 premiere they went from this Like I said, the show was cancelled on ABC and was suddenly no longer beholden to US broadcast standards and practices. Canada didn't give a gently caress and YTV let them away with murder.
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May 5, 2021 23:49
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Honestly I'm amazed Batman: The Animated Series got to use guns that shot bullets. Gargoyles too, now that I think of it. It even had one of the main characters getting shot.
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May 5, 2021 23:57
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Dawgstar posted:Honestly I'm amazed Batman: The Animated Series got to use guns that shot bullets. Gargoyles too, now that I think of it. It even had one of the main characters getting shot. didnt gargoyles and the later batman animated seasons have las guns and poo poo.
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May 6, 2021 00:26
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nine-gear crow posted:Like I said, the show was cancelled on ABC and was suddenly no longer beholden to US broadcast standards and practices. Canada didn't give a gently caress and YTV let them away with murder. Let’s not ignore the possibility that Canada is just full of anatomically correct/incest loving sickos.
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May 6, 2021 00:43
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The 90's Marvel cartoons had laser guns, and I think also weren't allowed to show punches connecting, they'd always cut away or cover it up somehow. S&P is a bizarre and arbitrary beast. I remember one of the Avengers toons getting told that their WW2 flashback could either have real Nazis or real guns, not both.
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May 6, 2021 00:44
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Dapper_Swindler posted:didnt gargoyles and the later batman animated seasons have las guns and poo poo. Gargoyles had both, they even had an episode where one of the Gargoyles accidentally shoots someone when he's playing with a gun. Batman got away with a lot of gunplay because they were mostly tommyguns. This does remind me that when the Justice League went back in time to WW2, all the Nazi symbols were replaced with the symbols of the time traveling villain who put Hitler on ice.
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May 6, 2021 01:03
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Apparently they were told they could either have guns or Nazis but not both.
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May 6, 2021 01:18
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DeafNote posted:Gargoyles had both, they even had an episode where one of the Gargoyles accidentally shoots someone when he's playing with a gun. that whole episode weirdly confused me. so vandal savage gives them wolfenstien weapons and i guess they fight off the d-day landing. and then vandal loses and i guess most of the wepons are destroyed and hitler is brought back. but doesn't that just extend the war at least another year. like sure you don't have the wolfenstein nazi future but D-day and i assume a couple soviet advances were still stopped. id love to read that textbook. "hitler got replaced like 50 times by various criminals who still do terror attacks to this day, also the war lasted til 1950 when hitler had a fatal stroke from being frozen to many times"
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May 6, 2021 01:19
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DeafNote posted:Gargoyles had both, they even had an episode where one of the Gargoyles accidentally shoots someone when he's playing with a gun. Want it just the SS symbol but a single S? (For Vandal Savage)
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May 6, 2021 01:20
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Dias posted:DE's true scorn is actually aimed at centrists, fascism and racism is treated as obviously idiotic poo poo that deserves to be mocked, but centrism is the one that gets you called out the most in a metatextual level, IMHO. Its take on (state) communism is kinda "we are fighting for a lost cause but we still gotta keep fighting", it's sympathetic but it's not the ~right answer~, which made some people kinda miffed (hi Austin). yea they're obviously sympathetic to the Communists (shock, they're not pro-fascist, bold stance!) but even then their story boils down to 'we know our cause is dying and to get it we'd need a miracle and absolute scores of deaths both our own and the fascists, but it's the right thing to fight for even if we get nowhere', it's a very sad story where there's no glorious vanguard that just needs a Spunky Outsider to say 'but guys have you tried REALLY trying???' The only outright 'no this is the evil team, if you think this side has any level of sympathy or tragedy you're a rube' side is indeed the centrists, to the point where during one confrontation if you botch a dialogue tree enough to wind up forced between tacking yourself to fascist thinking, communist thinking, or just mealy mouthed nothing, the person you're dealing with outright refuses to accept the centrist stance and the game tells you 'you have to say either the fascist thing or the other thing' outright. It's the old Lebowski joke, say what you will about the tenants of national socialism but at least it's an ethos!
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May 6, 2021 03:27
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It's not another person who calls you out - it's your own brain because you put too many points into Rhetoric and now you can't be mush-brained.
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May 6, 2021 03:35
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Ghostlight posted:It's not another person who calls you out - it's your own brain because you put too many points into Rhetoric and now you can't be mush-brained. lol I forgot that, drat DE is good
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May 6, 2021 03:42
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sexpig by night posted:yea they're obviously sympathetic to the Communists (shock, they're not pro-fascist, bold stance!) but even then their story boils down to 'we know our cause is dying and to get it we'd need a miracle and absolute scores of deaths both our own and the fascists, but it's the right thing to fight for even if we get nowhere', it's a very sad story where there's no glorious vanguard that just needs a Spunky Outsider to say 'but guys have you tried REALLY trying???' yeah. its why i love it. gently caress Disco is amazing.
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May 6, 2021 03:49
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sexpig by night posted:lol I forgot that, drat DE is good The exact line is "Say one of these fascist or communist things or gently caress off."
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May 6, 2021 04:35
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Dabir posted:The exact line is "Say one of these fascist or communist things or gently caress off." To wrap this back around to Online Creators: https://clips.twitch.tv/AffluentMoralBobaSMOrc-iPubLE1RZdr021nk
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May 6, 2021 05:02
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For that fella wondering why I like day9, please watch the first 17 or so minutes of his Returnal video. He's genuinely funny, chill, and improvs well, he's smart and does these little educational bits like the history of roguelikes, and he has lovely interactions with his community. The bit around 16 minutes in with the little glow tentacles analyzing his character is some good stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g9PdGahJGI Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 05:09 on May 6, 2021 |
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May 6, 2021 05:07
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My favorite bit of getting stuff past BS&P from the DCAU is that pretty much without fail if a robot appears in an episode, it is guaranteed to get hosed up in some kind of extra violent or gruesome way. Usually decapitation. Or of course, Scarface being horrendously shot to poo poo by a tommy gun. No blood, so it's a-ok! 
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May 6, 2021 06:37
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All this DE talk makes me remember that I still need to replay the game one of these days. I kind of blew through it when it got released, and go so absorbed in the crime drama with a self destructive main character that I didn't really engage with the political aspect of it aside from what the game offers you. And I didn't really think too much about that either. I think I ended up agreeing with Joyce the most while picking picking a lot of the Communist dialogue.
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May 6, 2021 07:43
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John Murdoch posted:My favorite bit of getting stuff past BS&P from the DCAU is that pretty much without fail if a robot appears in an episode, it is guaranteed to get hosed up in some kind of extra violent or gruesome way. Usually decapitation. Or of course, Scarface being horrendously shot to poo poo by a tommy gun. No blood, so it's a-ok! This was demonstrated hilariously well in Samurai Jack where they treated robots, and their various clearly non at all blood fluids, almost exactly like organic creatures for any number of over the top violent fights.
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