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It was less than two years ago that the us assassinated an iranian general on official iranian business so really, what is an act of war anymore
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false alarm guys, i shouldn’t have posted that i just remembered that jersey isn’t actually apart of the U.K. i should have posted that in the crown dependencies thread
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May 6, 2021 00:13
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May 6, 2021 00:40
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US democrats don't poo poo on the left as much as UK labour, but they still poo poo on the left a lot. that's a super low bar.
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May 6, 2021 00:49
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:US democrats don't poo poo on the left as much as UK labour, but they still poo poo on the left a lot. that's a super low bar. We might hit that level after 2022 if the Dems get washed as badly as Labour is going to be.
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May 6, 2021 01:19
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both UK and France have nukes and macron is just as evil as boris. it wont be enough to cause a nuclear winter probably. go for it yall
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May 6, 2021 01:28
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Nucleic Acids posted:We might hit that level after 2022 if the Dems get washed as badly as Labour is going to be. if a Bernie-like figure seemed like he was going to take control of the party then maybe yeah, but they just sleepwalked big finance’s favorite dem through a primary, they’re not scared of the left waves tend to wipe out conservative members in swing districts, too. the reddest wave in the universe isn’t going to knock out ilhan omar but it’ll certainly take out Stephanie Murphy and Abigail Spanberger
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:More like 10cm dilated at present. THS posted:both UK and France have nukes and macron is just as evil as boris. it wont be enough to cause a nuclear winter probably. go for it yall
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May 6, 2021 05:49
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mass drone battles are the future and infantry just become cops.
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May 6, 2021 06:15
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The next season of Robot Wars is going to be FAR more spectacular and entertaining.
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Honestly, the really baffling thing about the current Labour leadership is how they've actively and deliberately alienated their existing left-wing base, while completely failing to pick up new support from any other sector of the electorate. I keep watching their antics and asking myself: "where do they think they're going with this??" It's so directionless that I can only assume that they're fighting like rats in a sack and Starmer's getting passively dragged one way, then the other and nothing's getting done.
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May 6, 2021 06:52
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The Democrats needed Trump, but the UK Trump has a major advantage compared to his American brother: He's establishment as gently caress, so everyone has to respect him. Nuclear winter; the cure for global warming! Thanks Boris!
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May 6, 2021 06:53
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Pistol_Pete posted:Honestly, the really baffling thing about the current Labour leadership is how they've actively and deliberately alienated their existing left-wing base, while completely failing to pick up new support from any other sector of the electorate. I keep watching their antics and asking myself: "where do they think they're going with this??" the only rational explanation is that starmer & co are plants who are actively trying to destroy labour since it proved itself unreliable to the capitalist class by electing corbyn as leader now i'm not ruling out irrational explanations for their behaviour, but it's still kinda funny to think about
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May 6, 2021 07:08
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they want to be the respected honourable opposition. that's it. that was they can be shadow whatevers and the media and government will pay attention to them but never actually do anything they call for, they'll still get invited to parties.
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May 6, 2021 08:31
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I think they just genuinely think there's a large mass of voters who want to vote for Kiers lovely authoritarian centrism and they keep being surprised when there isnt TBf its a little like the corbynists strategy of just assuming people are secretly thirsty for left policies despite everything else
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May 6, 2021 08:37
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think they just genuinely think there's a large mass of voters who want to vote for Kiers lovely authoritarian centrism and they keep being surprised when there isnt why are you like this
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May 6, 2021 08:46
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think they just genuinely think there's a large mass of voters who want to vote for Kiers lovely authoritarian centrism and they keep being surprised when there isnt Polling constantly says that people want more investment in services and less private ownership of them as well as reduction of inequality and action taken against large corporations and climate change. Unsurprisingly though political formations which offer those things are immediately infiltrated, sabotaged and villainised. No one outside of the intelligentsia sit around thinking that the best way to help people is huge systems of government regulation overseeing private businesses and giving them wads of cash.
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May 6, 2021 08:46
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V. Illych L. posted:why are you like this
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May 6, 2021 08:50
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the core policy programme of corbynism consistently polled pretty well (i haven't kept up with polling since 2019 liberated me from caring), the problems with corbynism were that a) they were unprepared to face the sheer amount of nonsense that they faced and b) they were basing their electoral strategy off uniting groups with fairly strongly divergent interests and those divergences ended up dominating the 2019 election in the form of brexit 2017 - by which i mean the absurd turnaround from the polling earlier that year to a very close election result - would not have happened had there not been a serious appetite for the base policy thrusts among a mass of british voters
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May 6, 2021 08:51
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Lots of leftist policies are very popular, even in the usa. For some reason centrist parties don't seem to be that interested.
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May 6, 2021 08:52
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left-wing policies are often very popular, but left-wing parties and politicians are consistently not. it's an interesting situation and one which drives a lot of lefties completely insane everywhere re: what keith et al are up to, i suspect that they genuinely thought that they could replace the lost funding from an enthused mass membership with more reliable and manageable business funding. i am also a bit surprised that this does not seem to have materialised; it seems business is largely happy with the johnson government.
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V. Illych L. posted:left-wing policies are often very popular, but left-wing parties and politicians are consistently not. it's an interesting situation and one which drives a lot of lefties completely insane everywhere
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May 6, 2021 08:59
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"our policies are popular we just can't get people to vote for us because reasons" is pretty much the thinking I was referring to I just think it's worth facing to bloodshed and honking and pointing at our own failures as much as those of our foes That way you can find humour in the incompetence of your own side as well as everyone else, so double the fun
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May 6, 2021 09:06
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Communist Thoughts posted:"our policies are popular we just can't get people to vote for us because reasons" is pretty much the thinking I was referring to
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May 6, 2021 09:09
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Well, putting my Big Business Mogul hat on for a minute: why would I want to donate anything to Labour right now? They're firmly out of power, there's no election for years, the current leadership is weak and directionless and the Tories are proving themselves all too happy to quietly make beneficial arrangements in return for having cash bunged at them. The last point is the most important one, I think. Why give money to the party that's out of power in the hope of possible future benefits when you can get an immediate result from giving money to the party who's running the country now, and who've shown themselves to be cheerfully and shamelessly corrupt? Sucks for Starmer of course, but just emphasises how dumb it was to gently caress his profitable small donors off when it was blindingly obvious there'd be no cash coming in from the big guys.
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May 6, 2021 09:12
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Pretty cool that we're less than half a year into brexit and the phrase "act of war" is already being used.
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May 6, 2021 09:18
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You’re implying they’re playing on an equal playing field. no not really
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May 6, 2021 09:20
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I'm quite fond of a recent comment in the guardian which railed against the "pork barrel" politics of the tories, which you know, is technically improving the material conditions of their voters
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May 6, 2021 09:24
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Promising you'll do stuff to help people is cheating 
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it dont matter posted:Pretty cool that we're less than half a year into brexit and the phrase "act of war" is already being used. Was not expecting the second Norman conquest but it's been that kind of year
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Labour are bereft of ideas and talent, the ship has well and truly sunk, and what's left is flotsam with a petty officer clinging on, pretending he's in charge. They don't know who they represent or who to represent. The workers of yesteryear long abandoned them, and the New Labour supporters have left them because they're now fat rich boomers, who vote Conservative to keep their money and stability at the expense of all others. They don't want to represent upcoming voters - millennials, gen-z - because that would require effort, organisation and ideas, and gosh-darn young people don't vote, even though millennials are in their 30's or early 40's. They don't want to represent the working class because they smell and have no money. They want the right wing vote, which is dumb because the right wing will never vote for them. Hell, it's not even clear if KEITH wants to become leader. Most opposition parties attack the party in charge because, at a fundamental level, they want to be in power. Labour have done none of this. The Hartlepool polling is a prime example of how impotent they are. "Oh well the voters just aren't listening"; "how can we win when Corbyn supports still exist"; "really, it's the voters at fault"; "we can't afford to have ideas and policies." It can't be emphasised enough how useless Labour are the moment, and that's unlikely to change for some time.
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look they're never going to win over most of the flag fuckers but I presume there are more than enough guardian columnists to make up for the loss of Corbyn supporters, otherwise it would be absolutely insane to declare a huge number of your own voters to be stupid dangerous communists who deserved to lose and should never get anything that they want i also like how every policy from the 2019 manifesto is now a no go, because the voters explicitly rejected every single one of them individually, I'm looking forward to seeing what I'm sure will be a very an exciting offering in 2024 i mean obviously they've already got some dynamic and bold proposals like covid bonds, 100,000 startups and giving the nurses what the Tories promised they'd give them and then maybe negotiating up a bit from there (but presumably not to what they're currently asking for, or the even larger amount that would be the equivalent after another 5 years of inflation) but they've probably got some other stuff coming up and they won't just announce it once to widespread ridicule/apathy and then instantly forget about it anyway
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May 6, 2021 09:58
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Sending warships to sabre-rattle at France on election day is peak Tory. They certainly know how to pander to their flag-waving core voters.
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Lol https://twitter.com/AllyFogg/status/1390033372836155399?s=19
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The mainstream political consensus relies on just writing off the 25%+ of the electorate that would support a strong social democratic program as insane antisemitic cranks, so the only valid votes to chase are working class homeowners with reasonable concerns about immigration (not racist) So I honestly don't think Kieth is 100% taking a dive, left wing politics is genuinely considered illegitimate inside the political-media bubble and doing anything to appeal to the Corbynite base sits outside the realm of acceptable thought
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XMNN posted:giving the nurses what the Tories promised they'd give them and then maybe negotiating up a bit from there (but presumably not to what they're currently asking for, or the even larger amount that would be the equivalent after another 5 years of inflation) Labour's stated policy is 2.5%, vs what the Tories gave them of 1% vs the royal college of nurses saying 12% vs the 2019 labour (pre covid obvs) manifesto of 5%
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Communist Thoughts posted:
They were, that's why when the media pulled up the manifesto to laugh at it in 2017 it nearly cost May the election. But they're not going to make the same mistake again, the only Labour policy that will be widely discussed is the Final Solution. genericnick has issued a correction as of 10:24 on May 6, 2021 |
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Pistol_Pete posted:Well, putting my Big Business Mogul hat on for a minute: why would I want to donate anything to Labour right now? They're firmly out of power, there's no election for years, the current leadership is weak and directionless and the Tories are proving themselves all too happy to quietly make beneficial arrangements in return for having cash bunged at them. Starmer didn't have any other choice, really; his whole plan hinges on purging the left which *by itself* will make Labour electable again (in the minds of the Labour right). By definition this will piss off the membership so they had to try and tap up big donors to make up the shortfall, which is failing for all the reasons people have talked about. I don't subscribe to the notion that Starmer is a plant or intentionally destroying the party - he's just a right winger who has taken at face value all the articles about how the voters in Doncaster just want the Hard Left removed so they can vote for someone Electable, and never realised that was just consent manufacturing and not to be taken seriously.
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