Nuebot posted:

This was demonstrated hilariously well in Samurai Jack where they treated robots, and their various clearly non at all blood fluids, almost exactly like organic creatures for any number of over the top violent fights.

Captain Invictus posted:

For that fella wondering why I like day9, please watch the first 17 or so minutes of his Returnal video. He's genuinely funny, chill, and improvs well, he's smart and does these little educational bits like the history of roguelikes, and he has lovely interactions with his community.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

didnt gargoyles and the later batman animated seasons have las guns and poo poo.

Alacron posted:

The 90's Marvel cartoons had laser guns, and I think also weren't allowed to show punches connecting, they'd always cut away or cover it up somehow.

Bonaventure posted:

i'm glad Disco Elysium has a huge and generous sense of humor because all the people trying to praise it over the past year and half have made it sound like the videogame equivalent of a cspam poster ruining Thanksgiving dinner

Alaois posted:

this is why i held off playing it for a really long time lmao

Bonaventure posted:

i'm glad Disco Elysium has a huge and generous sense of humor because all the people trying to praise it over the past year and half have made it sound like the videogame equivalent of a cspam poster ruining Thanksgiving dinner

Archer666 posted:

All this DE talk makes me remember that I still need to replay the game one of these days. I kind of blew through it when it got released, and go so absorbed in the crime drama with a self destructive main character that I didn't really engage with the political aspect of it aside from what the game offers you. And I didn't really think too much about that either. I think I ended up agreeing with Joyce the most while picking picking a lot of the Communist dialogue.

Sydin posted:

Joyce is great since she's a little bit of everything. She's a patriot and an old communard, but betrayed the revolution once the writing was on the wall to the Moraltarian and is now an incredibly wealthy ultraliberal. It lets her act as a really good devil's advocate to whatever ideology you pick for your own character, and she has one of the most scathing rebukes if you try to pick no ideology.

Bakeneko posted:

Well it does make sense to get rebuked for literally saying you have no ideology since that’s impossible, but is that really what’s going on, or is the game falling into the trap of equating “no ideology” with “my beliefs don’t align with those of any specific faction”?

Because that’s a thing that tends to crop up in games that try to offer a branching storyline, where they can’t overcome the limitations of having to pre-script every branch. Often you’ll be faced with two or more groups who both suck, like the Mages and Templars in Dragon Age 2, without any option to say they both suck and go do your own thing.

Bonaventure posted:

i'm glad Disco Elysium has a huge and generous sense of humor because all the people trying to praise it over the past year and half have made it sound like the videogame equivalent of a cspam poster ruining Thanksgiving dinner

Bakeneko posted:

Well it does make sense to get rebuked for literally saying you have no ideology since that’s impossible, but is that really what’s going on, or is the game falling into the trap of equating “no ideology” with “my beliefs don’t align with those of any specific faction”?

Because that’s a thing that tends to crop up in games that try to offer a branching storyline, where they can’t overcome the limitations of having to pre-script every branch. Often you’ll be faced with two or more groups who both suck, like the Mages and Templars in Dragon Age 2, without any option to say they both suck and go do your own thing.

Vagabong posted:

Sydin posted:

the game is communist propoganda made by a bunch of tankies who had the audacity to thank Marx at the game awards.

Bakeneko posted:

Well it does make sense to get rebuked for literally saying you have no ideology since that’s impossible, but is that really what’s going on, or is the game falling into the trap of equating “no ideology” with “my beliefs don’t align with those of any specific faction”?

Because that’s a thing that tends to crop up in games that try to offer a branching storyline, where they can’t overcome the limitations of having to pre-script every branch. Often you’ll be faced with two or more groups who both suck, like the Mages and Templars in Dragon Age 2, without any option to say they both suck and go do your own thing.

Dr Christmas posted:

I’m not sure, but I don’t think “tankies” can apply to people actually from a former soviet republic.

Hegel posted:

"A third type... Through their various and peculiar complications situations arise in which aims and their accomplishment, inner character and external circumstances, are placed in comic contrast with one another and then they lead to an equally comic solution"

Dapper_Swindler posted:

its not like that though. its not about factions and poo poo. its more of small story about a super broken dude coming to terms with his life and solving a murder and a city/world that doesn't have a happy ending no matter which way you go with it. there is not really boss fights outside a really smelly corpse and a really lovely chair.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

its not like that though. its not about factions and poo poo. its more of small story about a super broken dude coming to terms with his life and solving a murder and a city/world that doesn't have a happy ending no matter which way you go with it. there is not really boss fights outside a really smelly corpse and a really lovely chair.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

they wernt talking about the devs, the poster was talking about critics who call the devs tankies and hate the game for dumb political reasons.

Bakeneko posted:

Now that makes it sound interesting.

Dr Christmas posted:

I’m not sure, but I don’t think “tankies” can apply to people actually from a former soviet republic.

Bakeneko posted:

Well it does make sense to get rebuked for literally saying you have no ideology since that’s impossible, but is that really what’s going on, or is the game falling into the trap of equating “no ideology” with “my beliefs don’t align with those of any specific faction”?

Because that’s a thing that tends to crop up in games that try to offer a branching storyline, where they can’t overcome the limitations of having to pre-script every branch. Often you’ll be faced with two or more groups who both suck, like the Mages and Templars in Dragon Age 2, without any option to say they both suck and go do your own thing.

Bakeneko posted:

Now that makes it sound interesting.

Mokinokaro posted:

Yeah that's really the core of it. If you have the main character choose an ideology it's more about what crutch they're leaning on than anything concrete about their beliefs.

Harrow posted:

The thing that I feel like is really undersold by people talking about Disco Elysium is how emotional and personal it is. Yeah, it's funny and has a great sense of humor all around. It has biting political commentary. But it's also a deeply personal story about a broken man with some really cathartic moments. That last part, I think, gets lost in a lot of the "look at this weird/goofy/political joke!" screen shots that I saw before I played it, so I was pleasantly surprised at just how grounded and real it felt on a character level.

It's so good, is what I'm saying.

Farm Frenzy posted:

yeah i think the epic memes kind of do it a disservice. its a full blown rpg about a depressed guy's internal life with really impressive writing and reactivity

The Chad Jihad posted:

It's real hard to showcase that in a screenshot though vs "here's a joke I thought was funny"

Harrow posted:

The thing that I feel like is really undersold by people talking about Disco Elysium is how emotional and personal it is. Yeah, it's funny and has a great sense of humor all around. It has biting political commentary. But it's also a deeply personal story about a broken man with some really cathartic moments. That last part, I think, gets lost in a lot of the "look at this weird/goofy/political joke!" screen shots that I saw before I played it, so I was pleasantly surprised at just how grounded and real it felt on a character level.

It's so good, is what I'm saying.

Grondoth posted:

The end has a bit of writing that is, as far as I'm concerned, genuinely magnificent, turning something that's maybe the most base level disgusting into something beautiful. It really, totally, made me think differently about bugs.

I think people share the jokes and the politics because the emotional moments are so real and require so much context people just don't want to spoil them. It's the only game I've played that explored and discussed how loving scary it can be to dial a number, how painful and all-encompassing linked images can be, how utterly broken mundane things can make you, how much it can hurt to remember but how free it can make you to be able to finally put it in context. It lets characters be wonderfully multifaceted and deep the way people are multifaceted and deep. They don't have dramatic, tragic backstories, but they have struggles and ideas and failures that haunt them and they feel like people. The ones that don't are that way for a very specific purpose.

There's also a real deep mysticism and sci-fi part of it that doesn't get as explored as I'd like, but gets explored exactly as much as the character should explore it.