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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Communist Thoughts posted:

loving...


Yeah.

Also my partner is so upset about Beepy

If it makes your partner happier:
Beepy not only survives, but rebuilds himself, and escapes from underground thousands of years later. His love for his Shade buddy directly inspires the Machine lifeforms to turn against their Alien creators.

[e]: Stealing MegaComrade's adorable dog bubby for Dogtax

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Bobstar posted:

Yeah, that too. The whole response seems to have treated it like norovirus (I think?), where touching objects infected people have touched is a big thing (which is apparently called "fomite transmission"), and that viruses expelled from the mouth fall harmlessly to the ground in a 1.5m radius around the infected person.

This article goes into some of the same points:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/how-public-health-messaging-backfired/618147/

Fomite transmission is a big thing for most flu and rhinoviruses, in some cases actually considerably moreso than airborne transmission, so concentrating on hand hygiene first wasn't a *stupid* way to go, but by mid-March it was abundantly clear that fomite transmission wasn't the most common method.

Bear in mind that almost all pandemic planning is based around flu viruses because a) every major pandemic of the 20th century apart from AIDS has been a flu and b) it's really tricky to plan for a virus that you don't know about. OG SARS and MERS both didn't have enough spread to definitively say how they got around (and almost 18 months in there's *still* argument over how effectively SARS-CoV-2 spreads via droplets (which do generally safely fall to the floor after 2 metres or so) versus aerosols (which can travel much greater distances - one of the things that makes Foot and Mouth quite so terrifying is that it can spread several hundred metres, and in some cases multiple kilometres, from an infected herd).

The biggest argument is still over the mask thing and whether the WHO and individual national authorities should have gone with a "just chuck whatever you've got over your mouth" advice early on would have helped or hurt. Telling people to wear proper surgical masks, let alone full respirators, would have just killed even more medics - even the most paranoid of nations wasn't stocking enough masks to give out a half dozen or so to every single citizen, and the rush for them would have made the home baking and bog roll supply situation look tame.

It's not as simple as saying "Anything is better than nothing" *particularly* as the wrong type of face covering is actually worse than nothing - obviously things that block too much air are just going to not be used properly (or cause people to pass out), but also certain coverings aren't small enough to stop aerosol spread *while making you breathe harder and so expel more aerosols* - had covid been predominately spread by aerosols (and again, we're still not 100% sure about that) it's entirely likely badly-worded advice would have actually increased the spread. This would also be the case if the virus was easily spread by fomites - not washing/disinfecting your hands and face before putting the mask on and taking it off would also potentially have increased spread (this is why mask-wearing still isn't mandated for flu, and the much-vaunted Asian habit of winter mask wearing doesn't actually change their flu rates that much.

Ultimately for me the biggest failing was and still is the lack of a much more aggressive move to get people out of workplaces and schools and (particularly) off public transport - no matter how it's transmitted these are the plaxes it was provably being transmitted the most. Shutting down almost all of the non-essential economy with a 100% furlough scheme, proper assistance to companies and employees to get WFH working where possible, and concentrated TTI in those areas where these weren't possible, would have saved tens of thousands of lives (and jobs for that matter), but of course all of this seems like CommieNaziStatism and also would require someone to actually pay attention to poo poo, so was never going to loving happen.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Tesseraction posted:

Also I just know those motherfuckers will reveal the results I care about ('artlepoool and the Lahndan Losers) 5 seconds after I go to bed.

London's not due until Saturday evening at the earliest so I wouldn't load up on the pro-plus just yet.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

and the much-vaunted Asian habit of winter mask wearing doesn't actually change their flu rates that much.
It does seem to have a variolation effect where even if it doesn't change the winter flu rates much it does change the severity and mortality by a significant enough amount that it's still a good idea in general.

If there's one long term social change that we take away from the pandemic that's far from the worst.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390438316990943233

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

I wonder what the turnout was?

My non-deeply analysed reflection on previous elections at all levels is when UKIP or KIPalikes fail to stand, their support goes approx 2/3 to tories and 1/3 to Labour.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



I'm glad Labour is at least able to hold onto fictional places

Kevino07
Oct 16, 2008
I wonder if results will be bad enough for Starmer's position to be untenable.

Surely there must be a Blairite who'll want to chance their arm even if anyone on the left isn't interested in challenging him?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I would be a bit surprised if there is a right challenger, they are all getting cushy jobs from him and I doubt any of them are keen to take the flak for the seemingly more and more obvious failure of their administration.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Went straight Green - the PCC looks OK even if the metro mayoral candidate is rubbish, and the Greens' not-entirely-deserved reputation as the left-wing protest party means I feel I sent the message I want to. I considered spoiling my mayoral ballot, but I think that Green as a protest is more likely to peg you as part of an angry leftie demographic.

blues thief
Apr 1, 2013
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390445922727907335

Skills wallets cutting through.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1390433290457333768?s=21

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

LIBDEM FIGHTBACK STARTS HERE!

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
.nm

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 11:10 on May 7, 2021

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390445922727907335?s=19

oval office can't even get the Lib Dems on board. That's the thing he's supposed to be good at!

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Sometimes you have to sit back and really revel in the idea of Labour losing a by-election to an incumbent government of 11 years. That takes skill

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
is there some local issue to explain that sunderland result or is that how bad it's going to be for labour?

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
you know what, silver lining of the left losing any control of labour is i.d.g.a.f. i'm going to bed instead :)

nn friends

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Lmao Rosie Duffield has locked her account after spending all day posting poo poo about how people kept coming up to her to say how glad they were Corbyn was gone.

Penny is dropping for a lot of these cunts that their phony baloney jobs are at risk without the people Corbyn brought to the table.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Council elections tend to be a bit all over the place so I don't think you are likely to the lib dems becoming her majesty's most loyal opposition, but labour seem to be expecting to eat absolute poo poo.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

crispix posted:

is there some local issue to explain that sunderland result or is that how bad it's going to be for labour?

taking two council results to mean anything much is probably a bad idea

i mean, labour is definitely hosed in general because, you know, everything, but these two results aren't directly proof of that on their own

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

forkboy84 posted:

Sometimes you have to sit back and really revel in the idea of Labour losing a by-election to an incumbent government of 11 years. That takes skill

Are WE the Steven Kinnocks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isr0F3bLA-M


2 mins in to that vid when the exit poll comes in - hadn't registered the angry face of the woman in the blue shirt in front of Kinnock before.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:42 on May 7, 2021

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
yeah i get that but a swing like that to the lib dems of all things lol

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

There is probably a highly localised effort by the lib dems to take that council and/or some local issue in play. As I said they can go all over the place, council elections are weird and you basically need to just look at all the results to draw any real understanding out of it.

Quotey
Aug 16, 2006

We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.
So glad Corbyn is out. Now I can vote for Boris without a twinge of guilt.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Gonzo McFee posted:

Lmao Rosie Duffield has locked her account after spending all day posting poo poo about how people kept coming up to her to say how glad they were Corbyn was gone.

Penny is dropping for a lot of these cunts that their phony baloney jobs are at risk without the people Corbyn brought to the table.

She really pissed me off. She only scraped in as an MP because of the hard work Corbyn supporters. (Let alone what she has revealed about her views since.)

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

crispix posted:

yeah i get that but a swing like that to the lib dems of all things lol

Right, but the Lib Dems have always specialised in local, decentralised politics. Each Lib Dem constituency party is practically a small, well-resourced political party in its own right, and they're really good at picking up councils by presenting a convincing argument that they're the professional adults who can fix your potholes, rebuild your leisure centre, and not have any embarrassing sex/bribery scandals. That message may not be true, of course, but they're very good at selling it.

This also forms part of the reason why they keep eating poo poo at the national level - the party is so fragmented that they have serious difficulty combining a million local issues into a single national vision.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390452157137227780?s=19

hosed it.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Angepain posted:

taking two council results to mean anything much is probably a bad idea

i mean, labour is definitely hosed in general because, you know, everything, but these two results aren't directly proof of that on their own

True.

That said of the results they've released thus far, even in LAB holds they've lost votes while the other parties have gained. There's a big range between that, but it's not a good look for Starmer's flag shagging, "gently caress everyone" approach.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Angepain posted:

taking two council results to mean anything much is probably a bad idea

i mean, labour is definitely hosed in general because, you know, everything, but these two results aren't directly proof of that on their own

I take what I can get, & this is funny.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390454068557099014?s=19

Three.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Lmao Rosie Duffield has locked her account after spending all day posting poo poo about how people kept coming up to her to say how glad they were Corbyn was gone.

Penny is dropping for a lot of these cunts that their phony baloney jobs are at risk without the people Corbyn brought to the table.

Rosie Duffield is an awful person but... that probably is her genuine experience. If you hated Corbyn and knew a Labour MP also hated Corbyn, and you saw them, you probably would go up to them and say "Eyy I'm glad Corbyn's gone!". Doesn't mean it's representative of the whole population though as there's obviously self-selection going on.

blunt
Jul 7, 2005

WhatEvil posted:

Rosie Duffield is an awful person but... that probably is her genuine experience. If you hated Corbyn and knew a Labour MP also hated Corbyn, and you saw them, you probably would go up to them and say "Eyy I'm glad Corbyn's gone!". Doesn't mean it's representative of the whole population though as there's obviously self-selection going on.

Furthermore, by "spending all day posting poo poo about Corbyn being gone" OP actually means one single tweet about it.

https://www.politics-social.com/search?min_date=1617754364&max_date=1620346364&tweets=1&retweets=1&replies=1&mp=636&order=timestamp

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
https://twitter.com/thwphipps/status/1390445460834463744

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://twitter.com/Ips_cali/status/1390449714789687298?s=20


https://twitter.com/Marnerbanana/status/1390450846228520965?s=20


https://twitter.com/ushistorytutor/status/1390449822440755202?s=20

Mebh
May 10, 2010


That's quite the bloodbath... Wow.

biglads
Feb 21, 2007

I could've gone to Blatherwycke



Jessflaps LOTO when?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/marcusbarnett_/status/1390451954246209536?s=21

Burnham's apparently been having an excellent election, which seems like it'll have some interesting repercussions.

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo
Watch Keir be another Kinnock and be leader until 2030

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Kevino07
Oct 16, 2008

Darth Walrus posted:

https://twitter.com/marcusbarnett_/status/1390451954246209536?s=21

Burnham's apparently been having an excellent election, which seems like it'll have some interesting repercussions.

If that's the case, I expect he'll be back in parliament sooner rather than later. Not remotely surprised either - he was basically the leader of the opposition in the Autumn.

It's amazing how much his stock has risen since moving away from the national party - almost as if the advisors in Westminister are completely out of touch...

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