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It's (some) elections time again, time to get out and https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1388192637585403908 We're also into the long flat of Covid now, which will hopefully last for the summer at least, although other places are not so fortunate.  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learnincurve posted:Need something added to every OP. DWP have been told not to tell sanctioned people about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5WouIzjgqo Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 09:39 on May 4, 2021 |
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I can finally vote for Plaid without caring about the fact they have no chance of winning. Thanks Keith. I'm really Welsh at last. Interesting facts about Welsh: Backpack in Welsh is 'bacpacio' Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 00:23 on May 1, 2021 |
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May 1, 2021 00:21
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It is international worker's day so music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVcWEtFXwnc&t=30s
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It is the day of the workers. Today, we celebrate with mead! And by not going to work. So just like every other day for me.
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May 1, 2021 00:30
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Today is the anniversary of my becoming a jobless scrounging munt.
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Tesseraction posted:Today is the anniversary of my becoming a jobless scrounging munt. Happy birthday!
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OwlFancier posted:It is international worker's day so music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f88nMWvCZSY
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OwlFancier posted:It is international worker's day so music. This is my personal favourite version of the Internationale, by folk singer Alistair Hulett: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DTbashsKic Bragg's version is alright, wouldn't mind pulling a few lines from it, but this feels more weight-y, I think, and I think shows that the song isn't quite so hard to sing as is often made out.
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Reveilled posted:This is my personal favourite version of the Internationale, by folk singer Alistair Hulett: Same! That is the version I know by heart and also the cadence I sing it with. I don't at all understand the idea that it is unsingable in english though bragg absolutely seems to be trying to make it so  You can chop and change verses though, there's some good verses in the other english translations, US first verse is great. As is the last verse of the traditional english version that's missed off that rendition. Metal as gently caress. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:38 on May 1, 2021 |
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endlessmonotony posted:Happy birthday! gdi I walked into this one or did I CRAWL LIKE A BABY???
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Tesseraction posted:Today is the anniversary of my becoming a jobless scrounging munt. And today is my first full day fully unemployed
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Rumda posted:And today is my first full day fully unemployed Given you're apparently cursed to experience my life one year later: the bout of the runs in a month is because of a suspicious batch of bacon you thought would be fine past its best-before date.
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Can't believe with the DNA chat at the end of the last thread nobody did the obvious Lizzo reference.
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Also in regards to twisto's bigpost on the last page:quote:goddamntwisto posted It would have been interesting (and I mean that in a value neutral sense*) the idea of seperating the force into investigative and intervention roles like that. The idea being that there are a lot of good thinkers out there who would be a huge asset in terms of investigation who are put off by the physical requirements, and also a fair amount of recruits who just want the chasing and hitting without all the paperwork afterwards. They absolutely hosed this at the last second though, because IIRC it was due to happen just before May's police cuts and recruitment freeze came in, and when it came back up all the existing officers had kicked up a massive stink about ihub officers not having to pass the full physical, and CID detectives also complaining because they all had to come up through uniform, so they changed it. Which is a pisser because again, you go right back to the force being able to exclude people with physical limitations while doing absolutely nothing to stop the knuckle draggers signing up for their state sanctioned fight outside a pub on friday night. * As in, I realise there are huge, glaring issues but also it's a very different way of doing things.
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When I was little I didn't comprehend that places could share names so when I first heard about the Haymarket Massacre I was wilded out that something like that happened in the Haymarket Shopping Centre in Leicester Also it's a true shame that the American elite managed to suppress agitators back then, you'd never understand today that Chicago was such a hotbed of radical leftism that it's in the songs and stuff. Rip to a real one the Union of Socialist American States could have led the world. Solidarity to all the oppressed!
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What a fella, is this supposed to make him look tough, down to earth? If anything it makes him look like a clown which tbf worked wonders for BoJo
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May 1, 2021 08:27
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I'm hopefully going to get my first shot next saturday at my local doctors.
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endlessmonotony posted:It is the day of the workers. Today, we celebrate with mead! Mead is delicious. There’s a company called Gosnell’s which makes a hopped mess that’s really good. Their standard mead is also very nice.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Also in regards to twisto's bigpost on the last page: It's an idea that's been tried multiple times, although normally they go for an accelerated probationary period in uniform. I think it's pretty common (with or without the short period in uniform) in continental police forces, particularly those where there was no particular tradition of a civilian police force. I like the idea in principle because these should be different roles best served by very different types of people. I don't particularly want or need Dixon of Dock Green finding tiny traces of hair but at the same time if I'm getting the poo poo kicked out of me outside a pub in Croydon Miss Marple isn't going to be much use to me. However, my point was more about the fact that a lot of the worst problems in modern policing comes from the fact that we've stripped back almost every other arm of the state, meaning that police are now the front line of our social care system. Like the old saying goes, if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail, and if all you have are batons, well, you end up where we are now where the "solution" to homelessness is criminalising it. In fact most police forces *also* recognise this problem (and most individual coppers too, for that matter) but the problem is they'll never actually properly complain about how much of their time is spent on things better suited to social workers, addictions specialists, or just a friendly face to talk to because if anyone actually listened and fixed it their budgets would get cut. I think I mentioned this before but I genuinely think the PCSO system might be the best compromise way out of this problem. Instead of just using them as cheap high-vis fillers, they should be an actual proper support organisation taking these roles away from the holders of the monopoly on violence. You get the advantages of not sending in someone with a Taser and pepper spray to deal with someone who's off their meds, a situation that never ends nicely for anyone without the usual suspects calling you a pussy for cutting police budgets. Ultimately it comes back to the Peelian principles and the idea that a police force is supposed to be for the protection of the people, not their subjugation. For me all of the problems with modern policing come from forgetting that (or at least making even less attempt to pretend it's the case) and things that give the police tools to deal with problems that *aren't* violence and imprisonment are one of the ways we can get them closer to that (probably unattainable but still worth shooting for) ideal.
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PNGYAKUZA posted:What a fella, is this supposed to make him look tough, down to earth? If anything it makes him look like a clown which tbf worked wonders for BoJo They've correctly realised kier just isn't as funny as bojo so theyr trying to close the funny gap Theyr doing a really good job of it but I just don't know if it'll be enough
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The only natural progression is to become the Joker
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Did you wanna know how I got this sir
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When the polls are down, these civilized people, they'll eat chips.
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Who is the bat man in this scenario?
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big scary monsters posted:Who is the bat man in this scenario? Sunak. Rich oval office with inexplicably good press despite the massive collateral damage he causes.
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The men of cloth failed again, when the Bishops blessed the Blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire, as they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain.
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Jakabite posted:Police cameras is an issue quite close to my heart, and here’s my take. Body worn cameras are great if you assume that the footage will be made available to anyone who wants it, in most circumstances. The circumstances where this isn’t true is when crimes are being committed but for just reasons, which I believe to happen frequently. Body worn cameras are an active detriment to revolutionary leftism. Solidarity to everyone out protesting today btw.
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Communist Thoughts posted:They've correctly realised kier just isn't as funny as bojo so theyr trying to close the funny gap It's honestly the best PR thing they've come up with for him, he's about as plain and boring as white bread meanwhile Boris has this insane clown character. Unfortunately Keir lacks any charisma whatsoever so he can't pull it off very well
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PNGYAKUZA posted:It's honestly the best PR thing they've come up with for him, he's about as plain and boring as white bread meanwhile Boris has this insane clown character. Imagine being too boring to be able to accurately convey being boring.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Imagine being too boring to be able to accurately convey being boring. Yep, he's not the mildly interesting sort of boring where he has an allotment and likes taking pictures of manhole covers. He's just... nothing.
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PNGYAKUZA posted:What a fella, is this supposed to make him look tough, down to earth? If anything it makes him look like a clown which tbf worked wonders for BoJo I mean he did, but not because of the boxing. goddamnedtwisto posted:However, my point was more about the fact that a lot of the worst problems in modern policing comes from the fact that we've stripped back almost every other arm of the state, meaning that police are now the front line of our social care system. Like the old saying goes, if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail, and if all you have are batons, well, you end up where we are now where the "solution" to homelessness is criminalising it. In fact most police forces *also* recognise this problem (and most individual coppers too, for that matter) but the problem is they'll never actually properly complain about how much of their time is spent on things better suited to social workers, addictions specialists, or just a friendly face to talk to because if anyone actually listened and fixed it their budgets would get cut. She has been doing her best to put across the idea that 'defund the police' doesn't necessarily mean shut them down and let anarchy reign, it means move funding away from the police to other services so that they can deal with things themselves. Especially in the US where instead of funding mental health services, local forces are buying loving APCs so that they can extrajudicially execute members of the public when they riot about lack of public funds. Ironically, increasing adequate funding to these other services means the cops being more able to deal with the things they should be involving themselves in, like violent crime, dangerous driving or stopping intimidation of vulnerable people. She's gotten a few officers on board about legalising weed by pointing out how much more time they would have if they didn't have to keep hunting down kids snoking weed, kids selling weed, and kids stabbing each other over who's patch this is to sell weed. I was surprised on a recent episode of Trashfuture when they were talking cop stuff and Alice put across that she personally didn't agree with getting rid of the police force completely, but she seemed very reluctant to say it because it's a very unpopular opinion to be saying in leftist spaces. I kind of agree with her though, I just don't have faith in humanity to think that if there were no cops that everyone would sort themselves out or that things wouldn't get a LOT worse. I'm not sure what the solution is though. More accountability for cops? An independant body with actual legislative teeth that oversees the cops? But then who stops them from becoming puppets of MI5 or the current government? Even the idea of further splitting the investigation / intervention roles would probably led to a situation where the intervention role gets split off to essentially Dave Courtney's 50 flat nosed geezers, or the government contracts it out to Serco or Group 4 and we end up with Paul Blart trying to chase down the guy who stabbed you. The problem I suppose comes to lack of faith in people all the way down. The system we have is horrible and could do with massive reforms, but I can't imagine we'd be better off in general if it didn't exist. E: jesus, spelling. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 14:30 on May 1, 2021 |
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Happy Workers day everyone. We are entitled to all we create.
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I think the closest thing you could do based on the society we have at present is to hold policing as close as possible to the original Peelian Principles (I don't believe that police ever met all of those, in Peel's day or now, but there can at least be the idea that they ought to be aspiring to them), splitting off investigation, mental health crisis, domestic incidents, etc. to separate specifically qualified services that aren't 'hit with crime stick', and more widespread community sousveillance of policing, with community calls for action when something goes wrong. And of course do a shitload more stuff to reduce crime and disorder at the root, like better preschool, cleaner air and water, nicer community spaces, and a sense of belonging and participation at the local community level.
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Just need to export more of the crime we produce.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Just need to export more of the crime we produce. That’s a pretty crowded market now compared to when y’all cornered it before.
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Can someone pls add Twisto's Police / MI6 household funding to goons.csv I was once pulled over by 5 X5s full of tooled up police who "suspected you were armed" and definitely felt an "am I about to die" frisson when the lead copper said he was going to turn off his camera.
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