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So question before I buy: Does Blue's scenario still have no ending?
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May 6, 2021 10:00
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NewMars posted:So question before I buy: Does Blue's scenario still have no ending? It's still the same ending. As that was the intended ending all along. The twin duel is intended to be the final battle. Everything after is a playable epilogue/ending.
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May 6, 2021 10:08
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NewMars posted:So question before I buy: Does Blue's scenario still have no ending? Fuse’s casefile for Blue tells you what happened after the ending. Blue’s scenario itself still ends the same way - that bit was, in fact, exactly what they intended and not an unfinished piece.
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May 6, 2021 12:57
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T260G aka EggNoG finished, now on to Asellus. Should be fun, I always avoided mystics back in the original because they can't spark cool techs, so I'm making an effort to use her mystic stuff this time around. This game is fun but being able to double or triple battle speed is a godsend. Crazy that I had the patience for the grind without it when I was younger.
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May 6, 2021 13:00
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Snake Maze posted:Fuse’s casefile for Blue tells you what happened after the ending. That's neat. Intended or not, I get why a lot of folks find Blue's ending unfulfilling. I want to jump into Fuse ASAP, but I'm resisting the urge to do so and clearing out the other characters first. Only really dreading Riki, which I'll probably end up saving for last before moving onto Fuse.
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May 6, 2021 13:33
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Snake Maze posted:Fuse’s casefile for Blue tells you what happened after the ending. Something I find interesting about this is that it's different for Blue and Rouge. It's kind of cool how, even after merging, they're two pretty different people, because they make very different decisions at the end. Sherry Bahm posted:That's neat. Intended or not, I get why a lot of folks find Blue's ending unfulfilling. Honestly, I did Fuse's case for each character right after finishing that character's scenario and I thought it worked pretty well. Fuse has seven different scenarios that are all pretty short and breezy, and they feel like fun little codas on the scenario you just played through. It's up to you if you do Fuse's case files all at once or just do each one as soon as you finish that character's main scenario, I think both work well.
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May 6, 2021 13:48
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Where do you find Mesathim to re-recuit her on Asellus's scenario? I've done the Dark Labyrinth and gone back to the town you first meet her in but can't find her anywhere
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May 6, 2021 14:45
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Started doing Fuse's boss rush and honestly, outside of glitch abuse, the real bullshit spell in this game is Time Leap. Sure, Overdrive can give a character eight turns in a row every round if you use the glitches it has, but if you're trying to fight "legit," you can get a pretty similar result just having a max-mobility Time Lord spam Time Leap.multijoe posted:Where do you find Mesathim to re-recuit her on Asellus's scenario? I've done the Dark Labyrinth and gone back to the town you first meet her in but can't find her anywhere She should be in the pool after where you fight the Devil Squid, like for everyone else, if I remember correctly.
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May 6, 2021 14:50
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Reporting back: the seventh boss of Fuse's boss rush is no joke. I'm doing Blue's and he's too fast to Time Leap. Just absolutely ate my team alive. Gonna need to get more creative on this one apparently. Edit: yeah holy poo poo I don't see how this is possible. Even a max mobility Time Lord can't outspeed him to Time Leap. Blue can't survive long enough to do anything but repeatedly put Reviver on himself and then die. I ran out of WP and the boss was nowhere close to dead. I mean I know it's possible, lots of people have done it by now, but christ, if my current team isn't strong enough I dunno how many hours of huge slime grinding it's going to take to get to the point where they are. I'm probably just going to pull the ripcord on this attempt and try again with a different final boss, maybe Orlouge, he's a lot more susceptible to brute force. Not quite ready for Abyss Lord in superboss mode yet, apparently. Harrow fucked around with this message at 21:46 on May 6, 2021 |
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May 6, 2021 21:11
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Harrow posted:Started doing Fuse's boss rush and honestly, outside of glitch abuse, the real bullshit spell in this game is Time Leap. Sure, Overdrive can give a character eight turns in a row every round if you use the glitches it has, but if you're trying to fight "legit," you can get a pretty similar result just having a max-mobility Time Lord spam Time Leap. Thanks! Kinu Nishimura posted:Hey there, SaGamers! im never saying that again Okay, so like, I've been playing this and I just finished up a full-clear of Asellus's scenario with all the new content, and it is possible that the Furdo and Bio Lab quests alter your ending affinity—but, this is an important note, with these conditions, you can talk to Rastaban to lock in your ending for the Mystic ending, then turn around and fight the Griffin to get the absorb/monster skills and rescue Gina, and you'll still get the Mystic ending, which as we all know is the best Asellus ending. I'm pretty darn sure this wasn't the case in the original, so have fun with the lesbian vampire! Sorry for the stream of questions, where do you meet Rastaban decide the ending? Do you need to clear all of the optional side content to trigger the encounter?
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May 7, 2021 01:32
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multijoe posted:Sorry for the stream of questions, where do you meet Rastaban decide the ending? Do you need to clear all of the optional side content to trigger the encounter? That's pretty much at the very end. The Rastaban encounter they're talking about is on the stairs up to the final boss, after two other boss encounters. Also I think what they're describing is also how it worked in the original version. Specifically, talking to Rastaban in Chateau Aiguille in the endgame is the checkpoint for what ending you get. Before you talk to Rastaban on the stairs, you're free to turn back and do whatever you need to in order to get the ending you want. That's how it worked in the original, too, so I don't think the extra content actually changed anything with Asellus's endings.
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May 7, 2021 01:47
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Asellus can indeed spark moves while in mystic mode, in case anybody wanted confirmation Edit: I'm kind of confused about her mystic mode in general. I assume the intention is that you don't get the stat boosts while in human mode? The stat screen doesn't show them, in any case. In most fights you can't use the abilities on your mystic equipment until you use one and enter mystic mode, but against the pursuing bosses you can use the abilities right away it seems, unless that was just the one. I sparked the move in this fight after entering mystic mode, so maybe it is a glitch. Also, looking in my abilities list shows no mastery because of the mystic weapons filling three slots, but in the stats screen it shows I have mastery. Moves aren't cheaper though so I assume the move list is accurate. Hobojim fucked around with this message at 01:57 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 01:48
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For anyone interested in doing the Fuse boss rush with the powered-up final boss at the end: don't do Blue's first. I thought it'd be a good one to do, since you get Life magic so you have an extra healer who can cast Reviver, but holy poo poo that boss is rough when he's powered up. From what I've seen, Asellus and Riki's final bosses are the easiest ones to do in super mode because both can be brute forced--if you have a high damage team, you can take them out before they're able to wear you down. Red's and Lute's seem to be the hardest, which terrifies me because Blue's is insanely hard. Harrow fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 01:49
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Harrow posted:For anyone interested in doing the Fuse boss rush with the powered-up final boss at the end: don't do Blue's first. I thought it'd be a good one to do, since you get Life magic so you have an extra healer who can cast Reviver, but holy poo poo that boss is rough when he's powered up. Question about this since I'm an Asellus playthrough- if you do Blue's boss first in the case file, does that unlock Life Magic for each of the subsequent fights for him? I was actually thinking of leaving Red's for last because of Alkaiser, but that's making me rethink things.
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May 7, 2021 01:57
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Kagon posted:Question about this since I'm an Asellus playthrough- if you do Blue's boss first in the case file, does that unlock Life Magic for each of the subsequent fights for him? I was actually thinking of leaving Red's for last because of Alkaiser, but that's making me rethink things. No, it's down to which case file you do. Blue (or Rouge) doesn't get Life magic in anything other than his own case file. Similarly, Red doesn't get Alkaiser mode unless you're in his case file, and Riki doesn't get the rings except in his. Same for T260G's Type8 body. The case file determines which boss will be the last one (and therefore the powered-up one) and which protagonist gets their special feature (if any).
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May 7, 2021 01:59
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I'm honestly surprised Asellus's final boss is one of the easier onces since, brute force or not, the final phase of that fight can be rough and a powered up version of it sounds like hell. I'm not surprised Red's is one of the harder fights. The first time I beat his scenario on PSX my team wasn't especially powerful and the final gauntlet took so drat long and I died to the last boss a few times.
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May 7, 2021 02:03
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Evil Fluffy posted:I'm honestly surprised Asellus's final boss is one of the easier onces since, brute force or not, the final phase of that fight can be rough and a powered up version of it sounds like hell. I think the thing with Orlouge is that he just doesn't have a ton of HP like some of the other super final bosses do. With a superboss team full of DSC spammers and Shadow Servant + Tower nukers, you can take him out before he can really mess you up in that last phase. You can probably outright skip that phase if you save Blue/Rouge's 200+ JP Tower for the end and just dump 60k+ damage on him in a single action. Part of the danger with a lot of the super final bosses is that they just have so much HP that you're in danger of running out of WP before they die. I'm planning to grind up my team's JP up and teach some more characters Tower just so I have some nukes to fall back on once everyone's WP runs out. Might also need to grind for some Dullahan Shields and Genbu Shields (you need water immunity for Blue's final boss and your armor slots are at a real premium). Something else that can probably help is having Time Lord using Time Twister every turn instead of Time Leap. Most of the superbosses are too fast to be reliably Time Leaped, but you can instead use Time Twister to give one of your attackers a free second DSC every round. That's going to help a ton with getting as much damage out of your WP as you can. That said if you're willing to abuse the Overdrive Stasis or Overdrive Snake Oil glitches, you'll have a much easier time. If you're trying to win legit, it's a serious fight.
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May 7, 2021 02:17
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For as basic as Lute's scenario is, his final boss is definitely one of the most brutal. Even if you can pull infinite damage, you've still gotta outlast all of phases, and he can pile on damage quick even when he's not powered up.
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May 7, 2021 02:20
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I'm breaking up the superboss prep grinding I'm doing by starting Romancing SaGa 3. Started with Julian and I'm amused at how quickly the game just goes "oh yeah, go hang out with this friendly vampire, he's cool." Yep, this is a SaGa game all right.Ace Transmuter posted:For as basic as Lute's scenario is, his final boss is definitely one of the most brutal. Even if you can pull infinite damage, you've still gotta outlast all of phases, and he can pile on damage quick even when he's not powered up. Yep, that's a issue with T260G's final boss, too. No matter how much damage you can deal, you need to go through a set number of phases before it'll die.
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May 7, 2021 02:21
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I will forever be salty that Captain Hamilton is a prisoner of Lute's (figuratively and literally) lazy quest. At least I can pick them up in Fuse's quest now too, I suppose.
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May 7, 2021 02:31
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Harrow posted:No, it's down to which case file you do. Blue (or Rouge) doesn't get Life magic in anything other than his own case file. Similarly, Red doesn't get Alkaiser mode unless you're in his case file, and Riki doesn't get the rings except in his. Same for T260G's Type8 body. Thank you for answering a question I had. Going for that trophy and I switched to all 7 of the default bodies and was wondering why it didn't pop.
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May 7, 2021 02:37
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Sherry Bahm posted:I will forever be salty that Captain Hamilton is a prisoner of Lute's (figuratively and literally) lazy quest. Only in Lute's case file. And only for the final boss. They really want Captain Hamilton to be exclusive, apparently. Mike_V posted:Thank you for answering a question I had. Going for that trophy and I switched to all 7 of the default bodies and was wondering why it didn't pop. Haha, glad to help. You'll get one more body type later on, but I think it's missable, so if you see a mech body in one of the later dungeons, check it out on your way out of the dungeon.
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May 7, 2021 02:44
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Harrow posted:Only in Lute's case file. And only for the final boss.  Completely unrelated question, do we know if the Debug Room is still in there? 
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May 7, 2021 03:01
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Harrow posted:Only in Lute's case file. And only for the final boss. If it's the one in the...I forget what it was, prison type thing, then I tried clicking on it and interacting with it but nothing ever happened. I didn't try after beating the boss of that level, though.
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May 7, 2021 03:04
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Mike_V posted:If it's the one in the...I forget what it was, prison type thing, then I tried clicking on it and interacting with it but nothing ever happened. I didn't try after beating the boss of that level, though. If you mean HQ, the place where you go into the little virtual village, that's the place. It becomes interactable on your way out. You might be able to get the trophy in Fuse's T260G case file though, since they automatically have the Type8 body there. Sherry Bahm posted:
If you mean the 2nd Division room you get after beating all the scenarios, yep, it's still there. Fuse has his own remaster dev room, but the original one's still there.
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May 7, 2021 03:09
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The game really doesn't want Cotton to learn LifeRain or StoneGas because I can't get him to learn those moves if my life depended on it.
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May 7, 2021 03:09
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Harrow posted:If you mean the 2nd Division room you get after beating all the scenarios, yep, it's still there. Fuse has his own remaster dev room, but the original one's still there. That's the Dev Room. I'm talking about the Debug Room
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May 7, 2021 03:25
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Mill Village posted:The game really doesn't want Cotton to learn LifeRain or StoneGas because I can't get him to learn those moves if my life depended on it. The BioLab is your best bet in my opinion, the scientist furthest from the entrance in the first room is a beast type and that spawns unicorns on high enough BR, while the scientist nearest the entrance is a plant and that means crystal trees with stonegas. To top it off, the middle one is a dullahan if you want to grind some shields or some of their techs.
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May 7, 2021 03:41
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Harrow posted:I'm breaking up the superboss prep grinding I'm doing by starting Romancing SaGa 3. Started with Julian and I'm amused at how quickly the game just goes "oh yeah, go hang out with this friendly vampire, he's cool." Yep, this is a SaGa game all right. I mean, he's been allied to Loanne for centuries and only uh. occasionally turns people into blood sucking monsters. What's not to trust?
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May 7, 2021 03:55
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Sherry Bahm posted:That's the Dev Room. Oh, huh, I dunno. Googling for it is tough because Google makes the same mistake I did by conflating the dev rooms and the debug room.
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May 7, 2021 03:59
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Ardryn posted:The BioLab is your best bet in my opinion, the scientist furthest from the entrance in the first room is a beast type and that spawns unicorns on high enough BR, while the scientist nearest the entrance is a plant and that means crystal trees with stonegas. To top it off, the middle one is a dullahan if you want to grind some shields or some of their techs. I still have 0 dullahan shield drops. What the gently caress SaGa Frontier you used to rain these things on me on the PSX and I'm like 0 for 150. Meanwhile I've gotten more Wind and Sea stone drops in 6 character runs than I did in dozens of runs on the PSX version. Why must you toy with me so. 
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May 7, 2021 05:20
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Evil Fluffy posted:I still have 0 dullahan shield drops. What the gently caress SaGa Frontier you used to rain these things on me on the PSX and I'm like 0 for 150. Meanwhile I've gotten more Wind and Sea stone drops in 6 character runs than I did in dozens of runs on the PSX version. Why must you toy with me so. I swear the remaster did something to the drop rates because on one run as Blue I had almost a dozen life candies before I had finished the rune and arcane quests, but my current Riki run has seen exactly one. And yeah, no dullahan shields here despite zeroing in on the Lab for making Riki and Sei into, more useful, monsters.
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May 7, 2021 06:07
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At a certain battle rank, Unicorns become more scarce in the Bio Lab. If you head to the Koorong Sewers, there's a room right before the Natural Cave where a fairy craps out beasts and teleports around. Chase that thing without actually catching it and you'll be swimming in Unicorns.
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May 7, 2021 07:10
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My Lute grind lasted longer than most of my others (Hamilton just did not want to learn Spray of Life) but I managed to snag two Dullahan Shields back to back, despite seeing none in my previous four playthroughs. I even snagged an extra Dragon Shield drop from the Shield Card dragons. Just an embarrassment of riches, that Mei-Ling has to "settle" for the Mizukagami
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May 7, 2021 07:16
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Going to Mosperiberg(sp?) is Riki’s endgame, right? I’m gonna beef my characters up before going I just wanna make sure. I also got Sei and Sukazu and I’m wondering if maybe I should use more monsters just for the novelty. Maybe I’ll swap out T260G, they aren’t really doing much for me at the moment.
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May 7, 2021 12:23
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Going to Mosperiberg(sp?) is Riki’s endgame, right? I’m gonna beef my characters up before going I just wanna make sure. I also got Sei and Sukazu and I’m wondering if maybe I should use more monsters just for the novelty. Maybe I’ll swap out T260G, they aren’t really doing much for me at the moment. The point of no return is the very end of Mosperiburg. You can leave partway through to heal or buy stuff if you need to.
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May 7, 2021 12:32
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I also got Sei and Sukazu and I’m wondering if maybe I should use more monsters just for the novelty. Maybe I’ll swap out T260G, they aren’t really doing much for me at the moment. An all-monster team is something I've tried a few times and always gave up on. They're just so much work and effort to buff up compared to the rest of the races. Just changing bodies over and over to get their HP to decent levels is a hassle. And that's without going into the obtuseness of it all. Best I ever managed was a Blue run with nothing but monsters in his party. But Blue is broken as all get out after a certain point, so I almost feel like it shouldn't count.
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May 7, 2021 13:01
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Going to Mosperiberg(sp?) is Riki’s endgame, right? I’m gonna beef my characters up before going I just wanna make sure. I also got Sei and Sukazu and I’m wondering if maybe I should use more monsters just for the novelty. Maybe I’ll swap out T260G, they aren’t really doing much for me at the moment. Yes but you're gated on your progress in Mosperiburg based on the rings you have so until you have all but the last one you won't hit the point of no return. Blackbelt Bobman posted:Going to Mosperiberg(sp?) is Riki’s endgame, right? I’m gonna beef my characters up before going I just wanna make sure. I also got Sei and Sukazu and I’m wondering if maybe I should use more monsters just for the novelty. Maybe I’ll swap out T260G, they aren’t really doing much for me at the moment. You can probably make it work but it is a chore and in the time you take to do so you'd probably have 800+ hp humans with Lifesprinkle, DSC, and shadow servant among other things. Some mechs with 800-999 hp and insane defense alongside whatever programs you learned for them. T260G + Engineer Car with multislash or Tiger program and high stats is more damage and defense than any monster can hope for but it relies on gear drops. Forms like Black Dragon are good and all but they ultimately fall short of trained humans or mystics with stuff like triple suzaku and good spells or suzaku/kraken/suzaku for the  inclined.Ace Transmuter posted:My Lute grind lasted longer than most of my others (Hamilton just did not want to learn Spray of Life) but I managed to snag two Dullahan Shields back to back, despite seeing none in my previous four playthroughs. I even snagged an extra Dragon Shield drop from the Shield Card dragons. Just an embarrassment of riches, that Mei-Ling has to "settle" for the Mizukagami On the opposite end of my Dullhan shield drought, I am now 3 for 7 on the Earth Dragon fight dropping Spriggan Suits.
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May 7, 2021 15:30
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Riki's point of no return is very clear, so don't worry about hitting it without warning. You'll be given an explicit "if you go through this door, there's no turning back" message. I think that's true of every point of no return in the game, actually. I don't remember if that was true of the PS1 original or not, but I did notice that it was never unclear when I was going to be unable to leave a final dungeon.
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Ardryn posted:The BioLab is your best bet in my opinion, the scientist furthest from the entrance in the first room is a beast type and that spawns unicorns on high enough BR, while the scientist nearest the entrance is a plant and that means crystal trees with stonegas. To top it off, the middle one is a dullahan if you want to grind some shields or some of their techs. I’m not having a problem finding them. Cotton just flat out refuses to learn anything but Needle and Impale. I spent a half hour grinding each spot and came up empty handed. Like all I need is StoneGas and Cotton can be a Crystal Tree. I guess thematically his Butch form makes the most sense but I wanted something a bit stronger. At one point the beast type in BioLab spawned two Black Dragons in addition to the Chimera. That was a fun fight.
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May 7, 2021 16:26
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