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IAmKale posted:https://reason.com/2021/05/04/california-math-framework-woke-equity-calculus/ This has been an ongoing debate in education for years. On one hand, if you have different tracks for different abilities the higher-achieving students will all by sorted into the same track, leaving all the lower performing students together in their own class. This hurts the lower-performing students because they no longer have more advanced peers around them that they can learn from. On the other hand though, if you put everyone into the classroom together you put the teacher in a bind because they have to try and teach 35 kids who all have wildly different ability levels. The end result is sometimes that the very lowest kids are left behind, the middle of the pack does ok, and the highest achievers are bored out of their minds. I taught 8th grade English at a school last year which had eliminated all their tracks with the same idea in mind. In my class I had some students reading at a 2nd grade level, and others at an 11th grade level, which, as you can imagine made my job pretty difficult. This plan is somewhat undermined by the proliferation of charter schools that have popped up in the last couple decades. Over and over I see my best students transferring to charter schools because they offer advanced classes that my school doesn't. So the end result is sometimes what they're trying to avoid in the first place. Class Warcraft fucked around with this message at 00:11 on May 5, 2021 |
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Class Warcraft posted:I taught 8th grade English at a school last year which had eliminated all their tracks with the same idea in mind. In my class I had some students reading at a 2nd grade level, and others at an 11th grade level, which, as you can imagine made my job pretty difficult. Yeah I didn't know how to add this succinctly to my post but this is very true and imo symptomatic of a whoooooole bunch of problems that aren't necessarily solved by tracking. Like, for example, our abhorrent teacher training system, our lack of coteachers as we were just discussing in the K-12 teacher thread lately, and so on. Like, making you teach 35 kids of such varying levels alone is bullshit and not good for you or your kids. Teaching that same class with aides and a sped-trained co-teacher who can help with modification and provide supplemental knowledge and materials...there's probably still some issues to work out there, but it's more in the range of doable. Anyway the real reason I came back is because I found this Medium article discussing perceived vs. real effects of tracking/honors classes. Yeah it's a Medium article, but it links to scientific studies as sources for its arguments: https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/do-gifted-and-talented-programs-work-aaee7dcaaa30
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Hawkperson posted:Yeah I didn't know how to add this succinctly to my post but this is very true and imo symptomatic of a whoooooole bunch of problems that aren't necessarily solved by tracking. Like, for example, our abhorrent teacher training system, our lack of coteachers as we were just discussing in the K-12 teacher thread lately, and so on. Like, making you teach 35 kids of such varying levels alone is bullshit and not good for you or your kids. Teaching that same class with aides and a sped-trained co-teacher who can help with modification and provide supplemental knowledge and materials...there's probably still some issues to work out there, but it's more in the range of doable. Yeah, if I had even one instructional assistant it would have been much more doable. As it stood I felt like I could never give everyone what they needed in any given period.
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Class Warcraft posted:On the other hand though, if you put everyone into the classroom together you put the teacher in a bind because they have to try and teach 35 kids who all have wildly different ability levels. The end result is sometimes that the very lowest kids are left behind, the middle of the pack does ok, and the highest achievers are bored out of their minds. can we hire more teachers
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Centrist Committee posted:can we hire more teachers but if we hire new teachers where will we get the money to pay dozens of pointless administrators their 200k a year salaries???
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Centrist Committee posted:can we hire more teachers Did you know that even though California has some of the highest teacher pay in the nation, we also have class sizes that are basically double the size of most other states Because I didn't until I casually let drop that my classes average 40 kids in the teacher thread and everyone not from California flipped the gently caress out lol
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I watched Another Round (great movie btw) the other night and laughed aloud when the camera panned to Mads Mikkelsen's class to reveal that he was teaching like 11 students. edit: Hell, last year I didn't even have an actual classroom for the first semester. I was teaching out of a tiny science lab because we didn't have enough classrooms to fit all our students. Class Warcraft fucked around with this message at 00:49 on May 5, 2021 |
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Hawkperson posted:Because I didn't until I casually let drop that my classes average 40 kids in the teacher thread and everyone not from California flipped the gently caress out lol High school would probably have done more than 40 students, but it was originally built as a middle school that was then made into a high school so it was undersized, and due to various politicking reasons it was never renovated (supposedly the rich kids went there in like the 70s or 80s but those days were long gone; all the rich kids went to Clovis at that point; despite the fact that there was a street of mansions just a block down; white flight etc). High school finally got renovations like a decade after I had graduated iirc and they built upward! an amazing concept!; not sure if they got rid of the like 8 trailers they had or not. Between the way they handle K - 12 overly populated classrooms and the way they abuse adjuncts at the college level I say burn it all down and start over.  Fake edit: I was looking up the proper term for those trailer/modular classrooms. The fact that this is a google ad is just  
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Hawkperson posted:Did you know that even though California has some of the highest teacher pay in the nation, we also have class sizes that are basically double the size of most other states 40 kids lol what the gently caress
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IAmKale posted:https://reason.com/2021/05/04/california-math-framework-woke-equity-calculus/ honestly, this kind of effort seems like it could be worthwhile. my bougie high school was a charter that made some effort to maintain racial and socio-economic diversity by bussing in a lot of kids from across the district. this was completely undercut by everyone getting sorted into a two track system during freshman year that was visibly sorted along racial lines. if you came from a local feeder school with accelerated academic programs, or your parents knew enough to raise a fuss, you were put into honors and ap classes and you would pretty much take only those kind of classes for the rest of your time there. if you were from a non-local school, and your parents just assumed going to an excellent school meant you got an excellent education, you were on the normal track i had a bunch of brilliant and passionate teachers that really helped to set me up for life, and it was very noticeable that every class was almost entirely white and asian in a school that was probably plurality black and hispanic. i get that there are a lot of complications on the educator's end, but having things be so stratified even in the same school just seems like it's helping reinforce systemic equality
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Class Warcraft posted:This has been an ongoing debate in education for years. I feel like the US needs to get behind the escuela nueva model. I worked on some international development projects with that and it seemed to solve a lot of these problems. Basically, instead of trying to manage kids you turn them all into managers. The smart kids all run pods and their homework is to teach the slower kids what they've learned. The teacher does very little direct instruction, and mostly just gets the pods formed up.
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El Mero Mero posted:I feel like the US needs to get behind the escuela nueva model. I worked on some international development projects with that and it seemed to solve a lot of these problems. This is a great idea because then we could save a ton of money by firing teachers and cutting the remaining teacher's pay since they won't be doing nearly as much work and can easily scale up how many pods they form
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droll posted:This is a great idea because then we could save a ton of money by firing teachers and cutting the remaining teacher's pay since they won't be doing nearly as much work and can easily scale up how many pods they form
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UberTeach
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This discussion is about on par with my usual Teacher Appreciation Week experiences, honestly
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droll posted:UberTeach
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Sydin posted:Math stuff 7th: Pre-Algebra 8th: Algebra 1 9th: Geometry 10th: Algebra 2 11th: Trig/Pre-calc 12th: AP Calculus AB Was looking over at common core recently for my son and it does seem like grade standards are more advanced per grade now, even in elementary school. Multiplication and division start a grade earlier than I remember.
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Hawkperson posted:This discussion is about on par with my usual Teacher Appreciation Week experiences, honestly Cicero posted:That's interesting, when I was in middle school, being in pre algebra in 7th grade was the more advanced track lmao. That path was I definitely got tripped up when multiplication tables, long division, and fractions were rolled out and I never really recovered a good mathematical foundation. I was much older, and it was only after I made connections between things like "9x8 is a number that is 9 away from being 10x8 so just take the second number x10 and subtract 9" that things started making sense. quote:Was looking over at common core recently for my son and it does seem like grade standards are more advanced per grade now, even in elementary school. Makes me wonder how much of those changes align with biological stages of growth. Some foreign nations, iirc, delay reading until kids are 7 because of brain development.
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Cicero posted:That's interesting, when I was in middle school, being in pre algebra in 7th grade was the more advanced track lmao. That path was We had a similar advanced track but it went: 9th: Geometry 10th: Algebra 2/Trig 11th: Calc BC 12th: Calc D/Linear Algebra School funding is such a weird issue to me. It seems like it should be such a simple slam dunk to actually fund schools at a high level, since it will pay massive, massive dividends a dozen years or so down the line. Granted, the dozen years down the line part doesn't get you reelected, so there's that.
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Cicero posted:That's interesting, when I was in middle school, being in pre algebra in 7th grade was the more advanced track lmao. That path was Mine was probably weird because I was nominally in some kind of gifted students program in middle school but also just completely flunked the math placement test, then switched HS's to a middle college after my Sophomore year.
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My math experience is weird. Like someone else mentioned, my 5th and 6th grade teachers let us work ahead of the class, I was one of 3 kids to be going through Algebra in 6th grade. None of it counted though, and when I got to 7th-8th, I had to take Algebra 1, and Algebra 2. Then when I got to high school, for some reason I had to take Algebra over again, for reasons I do not understand. I got expelled from high school and ended up taking the California High School Equivalency Exam which expunges your entire record. When I got to community college, there was no record of my Algebra because of the CHSEP. I was able to test out of pre-algebra, but testing out of Algebra was not an option and I had to re-do Algebra 1 and 2 for the 4th time. I've heard that some countries teach pre-algebra alongside basic math as early as 1st grade. Supposedly this promotes understanding of numbers and abstract thinking, and I really believe it. I remember doing a lot of the 1+_=7, fill in the blank things, but for some reason kids get completely lost once you substitute a letter for the blank. Night classes at the community college are also a very 'fun' experience. In one of my algebra classes, there were several adults that must have had pre-algebra as a pre-req, but it was probably 20-30 years ago. Teacher: Ok, so we are going to try solve for X in the equation 2x-5y=8 Student: What is x? Teacher: That is what we are trying to find out. Student: So is x a number? Teacher: Yes, x represents a number. Student: What number? Teacher: Well it could be any number, thats what we are trying to solve Student: If it can be any number, can we put a 5 there? Teacher: If anyone would like to leave early, feel free to, the tests are every other Friday and I will not be tracking attendance, your grade in this class will be judged soley on test performance. *80% of the class gets up and leaves*
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https://twitter.com/GuyMarzorati/status/1389990128563613697 Man who brought a bear to a press conference is upset that people paid attention to the bear
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/GuyMarzorati/status/1389990128563613697 Boooo, who's this guy? Where's the bear???
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Boooo, who's this guy? Where's the bear??? We! Want! The bear! We! Want! The bear!
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I was not allowed to take Calculus in high school and it has fostered a lifelong resentment of math teachers as a result. On the other hand, for curious students that want a sneak peek at advanced coursework (which, if you play your cards right, may result in saving time down the line), you could do free online learning at sites like Coursera or EdX. I would have totally jumped at opportunities like that as a kid, if it were available to me in the 90s.
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"Please growl."
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Climate change is loving poo poo up way sooner than expected https://twitter.com/CAL_FIRE/status/1389988548296671234
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Boat Stuck posted:Climate change is loving poo poo up way sooner than expected Not if you read the climate change threads 
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Dirk the Average posted:School funding is such a weird issue to me.  WHY THE FUCKEMAH PAYING HUNDREDS OF MY DOLLARS SO SOME *&3(4&/&**×9876__/0 CAN GET FREE LUNCH AT SCHOOL?!  I AINT GOT ANY KIDS SO I SHOULDNT HAVE TO PAY FOR GOVERNMENT FUNDED BABYSITTING It's cheaper to incarcerate than educateIt's racism op. It's always racism. Also, some of the "bad" schools aren't that terrible. My HS was way overstuffed but it was $12 to take an AP test, we could get Princeton Review Saturday supplemental SAT classes for a bit, etc. What did suck was that kids arrived there at insane learning deficits and either found a way to keep up or just treaded water. With that many students what was needed were counselors and ancillary supports. It's not just enough to shove block moneys at the problem.
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Boat Stuck posted:Climate change is loving poo poo up way sooner than expected Good reminder to buy a new air purifier after being too late last year before everything stocked out
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some Jenner hits from her Hannity appearance tonight https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1390114275621056512?s=20 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1390118267423973377?s=20 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1390121319853928450?s=20
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:Good reminder to buy a new air purifier after being too late last year before everything stocked out
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:Good reminder to buy a new air purifier after being too late last year before everything stocked out I ordered one last year, and it got lost in shipping, so they sent me a free replacement. Then a couple weeks later the original air purifier finally arrived lol. so now i have two of them 
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Get your air purifier before the Jewish space lasers get activated for the season.
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FMguru posted:Grab some N95 masks while your're at it. You'll want a half mask respirator with P100 filters for heavy smoke like we had last year. 3M and Honeywell both make high quality respirators and filters. Just don't buy any filters from amazon, ebay or sites like aliexpress, there's tons of fakes floating around on those sites. Industrial supply sites are a much safer source for filters. Both companies have lower end masks made with less comfortable plastics, and higher end masks made with silicone rubber that feels and seals better. If you know you're gonna be outside during summer in the smoke, a good silicone half mask is the most comfortable and best respiratory protection you can be wearing. P100 filters remove almost all the smoke smell, and you can pay extra for multigas + P100 filters that should cut out the remaining smell from gasses. For other concerns in our current times, P100 is great for covid, and Multigas + P100 is recommended for tear gas. Honeywell: Cheap, good, good + speech diaphram plus This P100 or this P100+MG (pricey overkill, but you shouldn't smell any smoke) 3M: Cheap, good plus This P100 or this P100+MG(pricey overkill, but you shouldn't smell any smoke) These are just a couple of sites that I know are reliable and have good prices. Home Dept/Lowes might have masks back in stock by now, too. Otherwise, yeah, get some 95% filtration rated masks, n95, kn95, or kf94. Whatever 95% masks you're using for covid should work to keep the chunky smoke particles out of your lungs.
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FMguru posted:*clapping hands, chanting *
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If, like me, you’re unwilling to shave but absolutely must wear a mask for a short while, Vaseline makes a nice seal even over hair
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:If, like me, you’re unwilling to shave but absolutely must wear a mask for a short while, Vaseline makes a nice seal even over hair im gonna have to naysay this unless you have a study backing it up, lol. seems both gross and possibly an ineffective home remedy e: wait this isn't the COVID thread. Cup Runneth Over fucked around with this message at 02:19 on May 7, 2021 |
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