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Madame Secretary Clinton is right
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May 7, 2021 02:27
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Dreddout posted:Yeah but he also made big inroads with China Goddamn Calling Kissinger anything but gently caress him and why can't he die already is abhorrent. You want a body count? Like you want to shoot up a school or something? He won already
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May 7, 2021 02:32
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Dreddout posted:Yeah but he also made big inroads with China doesnt explain why he drew out the american genocide in southeast asia instead of ending it asap then
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May 7, 2021 02:48
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:Madame Secretary Clinton is right
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May 7, 2021 02:54
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Did Kissinger really support Iraqi War II? It was such a dumb move out of all US bad foreign policies.
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May 7, 2021 02:58
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stephenthinkpad posted:Did Kissinger really support Iraqi War II? It was such a dumb move out of all US bad foreign policies. Does Kissinger love war? And murder? poo poo, that's crazy. A war loving murderer loves war.
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May 7, 2021 03:07
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stephenthinkpad posted:Did Kissinger really support Iraqi War II? It was such a dumb move out of all US bad foreign policies. He did yes. 
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May 7, 2021 03:17
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OhFunny posted:He did yes. Kissinger is an absolute moron and anyone trying to be all 'well he's a PRAGMATIC kind of imperialist' is buying into the PR. This segment perfectly encapsulates his thinking through the decades, it's not about morality or even ice cold nationalism, it's about strength projection and dominance and nothing else. He's a loving animal.
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May 7, 2021 03:21
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OhFunny posted:He did yes. drat, that's pretty evil. *picture him say these words in his dying breath* "Because Afghanistan wasn't enough" is some grade A villain quote. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 03:31 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 03:22
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mila kunis posted:doesnt explain why he drew out the american genocide in southeast asia instead of ending it asap then He found commies annoying.
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May 7, 2021 03:24
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Leaders are bound by the iron laws of geopolitics, not petty terrestrial moralizing
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May 7, 2021 03:27
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theres a reason hunter thompson labelled the guy a Nazi Monster
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May 7, 2021 03:28
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OhFunny posted:He did yes. I mostly learned history from Vietnam movies, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket (watch the second half, drat) and Casualties of War Kissinger loves destroying families, doing rape by proxy and loving entire countries It was nice that he handheld Nixon into China but the reasons for it were probably despicable
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May 7, 2021 03:29
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stephenthinkpad posted:drat, that's pretty evil. *picture him say these words in his dying breath* i'm put in mind of tom friedman's famous "suck on this"
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May 7, 2021 03:35
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sounds like some people need a refresher on kissinger's status as a loving monster:Anthony Bourdain (RIP) posted:Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.
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May 7, 2021 03:52
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Ardennes posted:Iraq is more unclear, it ended up a pointless flop that allowed Iran to become a regional power. I think kissinger genuinely thought iraq was a good idea at the time, pragmatic does not always mean rational or well thought-out I honestly don't understand how anyone in the beltway can delude themselves wrt China. Ignoring the explosion in economic growth, china has four times the amount of people, and is rapidly closing the technology gap/surpassed the west in certain fields. Assuming technological parity, global influence is ultimately a numbers game in the context of nation states. The only front that china is clearly behind the US is military power and even that lead won't last forever The economic core of human society is gonna recenter itself on Asia sooner or later, our ruling class is truly deluded to believe otberwise.
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May 7, 2021 04:42
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Oneiros posted:sounds like some people need a refresher on kissinger's status as a loving monster: Look everyone in this thread agrees Kissinger is a monster, at the same time it's foolish to act like monstrous humans can't be competent people. Genghis Khan was a pretty bad dude, but he sure knew how to conquer people Edit: and if you're gonna ask "why did the American imperialist insist on genociding rebellious asians?" well, you answered your own question. American empire is predicated on the assumption that human life is cheap. Dreddout has issued a correction as of 04:52 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 04:47
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Dreddout posted:The economic core of human society is gonna recenter itself on Asia sooner or later, our ruling class is truly deluded to believe otberwise. Wasn't it the case that this has been true for longer than it has not, and it's really been a combination of euro centric history and maybe the last 150 years that were an aberration
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May 7, 2021 04:55
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gradenko_2000 posted:Wasn't it the case that this has been true for longer than it has not, and it's really been a combination of euro centric history and maybe the last 150 years that were an aberration china was the largest richest and most advanced state for most of the history of civilization and literally the thing that kicked off Europe's rise was old chinese tech finally trickling into Europe (printing, gunpowder) If you're talking from the perspective of Africa or the americas obviously china likely doesn't mean poo poo since ther e wasn't 'one world' until recently
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May 7, 2021 05:22
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the Gutenberg press is quite plainly just making books the chinese way, by pressing movable type onto paper, instead of scribes writing on parchment, and it blew europe the gently caress up
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May 7, 2021 05:24
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sorry to triple post but I remember David Graeber (I think) saying that from an outside perspective arabs are westerners since they have the same cultural origin, worship the same god, were in constant contact. Blew my mind. If you were chinese it would be hard to see how Spanish and Arabic history/cultures are somehow completely distinct but spanish/french aren't because without the lens of western racism and being embedded in the history well, the distinctions don't really exist
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May 7, 2021 05:28
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Mantis42 posted:I must say, the CPC peacefully overthrowing the bourgeois nationalist clique in charge of Hong Kong really was a magnificent revolution. Can't wait for the "refugee" narratives to start coming in earnest.
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May 7, 2021 05:38
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Antonymous posted:the Gutenberg press is quite plainly just making books the chinese way, by pressing movable type onto paper, instead of scribes writing on parchment, and it blew europe the gently caress up
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May 7, 2021 05:45
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Dreddout posted:The only front that china is clearly behind the US is military power and even that lead won't last forever And then only measured in the terms the US MIC wants it measured. China is the armory of asymmetric warfare.
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May 7, 2021 05:53
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Antonymous posted:the Gutenberg press is quite plainly just making books the chinese way, by pressing movable type onto paper, instead of scribes writing on parchment, and it blew europe the gently caress up i saw a not generally good documentary called the jikji code once and near the end the filmmakers get a letter from the vatican confirming that one of their priests had been in china a hundred or two years earlier than was the earliest confirmed record of a european being in china while still being in regular contact with europe this all but confirms that gutenberg or whoever actually invented movable type in europe had heard that it existed in china and reverse engineered the process with the processes themselves differing enough that they probably had no details beyond just yo i saw this poo poo in china called movable type its pretty badass
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May 7, 2021 05:56
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https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1390425688126144513
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May 7, 2021 05:59
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https://twitter.com/PDChinaBusiness/status/1390531843124973568
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May 7, 2021 06:04
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Some Guy TT posted:jikji wiki'd it a bit and lol: The right of ownership remains disputed, with the French National Library maintaining that the Jikji should remain in France, while Korean activists argue it should belong to Korea.[9] The National Library of France says that as an important historical artifact of all mankind, the Jikji should remain in France as it represents a common, worldwide heritage, and does not belong to any one country. In addition, they claim the Jikji would be better preserved and displayed in France because of the prestige and resources the Library possesses. On the other hand, Korean organizations claim that it should belong to its country of origin and that it carries historical significance for the Korean people. The Committee to Bring Jikji Back to Korea led by the American Richard Pennington[10] is one such organization in Seoul, Korea that is working to repatriate the Jikji back to Korea from France. The French President François Mitterrand promised to investigate ways to return various Korean books including the Jikji, should the French high-speed rail technology be exported to Korea.[9] From April to June 2011, 297 volumes with 191 different Uigwes of the Kyujanggak (Oegyujanggak), were shipped back in four separate installments and subsequently kept at the National Museum of Korea.[11] However Jikji was not included, following opposition in France, including a protest lodged by the librarians of the National Library.[12]
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May 7, 2021 06:06
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jikji code is a bad documentary because its very unfocused but it does get into that yeah the french are actively loving up korean historical research by hoarding this artifact they know nothing about and not letting the historians with relevant expertise or anyone else look at it
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May 7, 2021 06:11
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OhFunny posted:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-26/russia-ditches-the-dollar-in-more-than-half-of-its-exports The US sunk under 60% of currency composition for the first time ever this year. Losing reserve currency status is becoming very likely and is probably something China / Russia have been looking at doing; the changes in money usage is an obvious bit of this. e: You know if the US actually does lose reserve currency status there's a pretty good chance it'll collapse lol, their entire power as a hegemon is based on it Grapplejack has issued a correction as of 06:27 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 06:20
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Dreddout posted:I think kissinger genuinely thought iraq was a good idea at the time, pragmatic does not always mean rational or well thought-out It's not as lopsided as you think, the English empire is just more diffuse 1. English 1.132 billion total speakers 2. Mandarin Chinese 1.117 billion total speakers
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May 7, 2021 07:23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWFceJAC23M
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May 7, 2021 07:34
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https://www.wilsoncenter.org/chinas-soft-power-campign
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May 7, 2021 08:47
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Rutibex posted:It's not as lopsided as you think, the English empire is just more diffuse u got puddin brains my friend
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May 7, 2021 11:31
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how did you come at those figures whether the number one language is chinese english or spanish seems very fungible depending on how you define speaker
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May 7, 2021 12:32
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Rutibex posted:It's not as lopsided as you think, the English empire is just more diffuse counting the us, uk, and australia might be fair in this context, but the rest of english speakers only speak english because of our economic dominance. liking hollywood movies isnt going to paper over that relatively decreasing reality. china also has centralized control and serious nationalism. “english speakers” are nothing comparable and yeah the amount of spanish speakers doesnt make spain all powerful
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May 7, 2021 12:37
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THS posted:but the rest of english speakers only speak english because of our economic dominance. liking hollywood movies isnt going to paper over that relatively decreasing reality. china also has centralized control and serious nationalism. “english speakers” are nothing comparable See: anime, K-pop
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May 7, 2021 12:57
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THS posted:counting the us, uk, and australia might be fair in this context, but the rest of english speakers only speak english because of our economic dominance. liking hollywood movies isnt going to paper over that relatively decreasing reality. china also has centralized control and serious nationalism. “english speakers” are nothing comparable Not just economic dominance, but the aftereffects of colonialism as well. The language of the colonizer is often seen as neutral in multiethnic formerly colonized countries. Angola and Mozambique still speak Portuguese and I don't expect Nigerians to stop speaking English either, or more importantly, Indians.
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May 7, 2021 12:58
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Basically the 5 eyes Anglo Saxon countries. Also the 5 eyes care much more about controlling the sea much more than land territories. The idea is to control the world by holding the sea routes and chock points.
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May 7, 2021 13:08
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https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/the-deeper-roots-of-chinese-demonization/quote:Fasten your seat belts: the US hybrid war against China is bound to go on frenetic overdrive, as economic reports are already identifying Covid-19 as the tipping point when the Asian – actually Eurasian – century truly began.
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May 7, 2021 13:09
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