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That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Nessus posted:

"Content engagement" seems to mean "We seem to detect you are not yet upset enough to make us money, regular user... can we fix that?"

Yeah, assholes get the most clicks, and the most clicks get the most recommends, so evincing the barest hint of an interest in politics means maybe you want to see what a bunch of Nazis have to say.

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Jimbozig
Sep 30, 2003

I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

Pocky In My Pocket posted:

Oh thank god, i was worried it was just me.

I've occasionally noticed being clocked by random people i dont think i've ever interacted with so i've been pretty sure i'm on a blocklist somewhere. I suspect its the same one chuck wendig uses?

Nah, I can still see Wendig. I was just surprised because I've never been blocked by anyone before (that I know of). I wouldn't be surprised to find Bohl blocks a lot of people and uses tools to do so that are rather indiscriminate. He took on Zak S and became the target of Zak's coordinated harassment gang. Getting on the bad side of those sorts of assholes would make anyone just start mashing the block button.

Jimbozig fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 7, 2021

Tsilkani
Jul 28, 2013

poo poo, I thought Bohl blocking me was a personal thing. Good to know I'm in good company, but now it makes me wonder who I'm following/talking to that got me on this list.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
The Darkest Dungeon narrator had me blocked and I never figured out how that happened, it's just one of those things.

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



Is Wendig bad now? The only venue i saw him in was Twitter, and I haven’t been on in probably five years.

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
It's almost like using huge compiled lists that tell you who to block(or do it for you) is a bad idea, or something.

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

actually3raccoons posted:

Is Wendig bad now? The only venue i saw him in was Twitter, and I haven’t been on in probably five years.

People accused him of suing archive.is.

https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/1334568088646414338?s=20

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

actually3raccoons posted:

Is Wendig bad now? The only venue i saw him in was Twitter, and I haven’t been on in probably five years.

He's been associated, fairly or otherwise, with attempts to shut down the internet archive's ebook lending system

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
Pretty fairly IMHO. He actually went full Lars Ulrich and called library lending piracy, and is still whining about how mean the left is being to him for not standing up for 'workers rights' by being hostile to the corporate-written hellhole that is US IP law.

In his own words, while trying to do damage control: http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2020/03/31/my-statement-to-npr-on-the-internet-archives-emergency-library/

quote:

To continue my commentary here a little — when I spoke about this on Twitter, it poured gasoline on an already roaring fire, and I endured what could best be described as a deluge of awfulness from corners of the internet both predictable and unpredictable. (The alt-right and the far left are definitely high-fiving on this one, forming a complete circle.) The alt-right side is, as noted, predictable — but I am surprised that the left has embraced a site run by a Bay area tech mill/billionaire over the rights of artists and writers, who I’d think would more commonly be embraced as the “workers” so commonly thought of in workers’ rights.

He's not a terrible person as far as I know, but it was a real bad take that came out in a reactionary moment when he felt his own livelihood was threatened.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 05:28 on May 7, 2021

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
The Internet Archive was going to get sued for its (harmless) relaxation of e-lending book scans during a pandemic no matter what, but Chuck Wendig decided to slather a mixture of honey and pulped salmon all over his body and drive into the twitter bear den to outrage tweet about the audacity of the unlimited e-lending, bringing the whole matter to the attention of a lot more people with him dead in the center being an rear end about it all.

Outside of that, he's just one of those kind of smarmy lefty white guys who are endemic to social media.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Nuns with Guns posted:

The Internet Archive was going to get sued for its (harmless) relaxation of e-lending book scans during a pandemic no matter what, but Chuck Wendig decided to slather a mixture of honey and pulped salmon all over his body and drive into the twitter bear den to outrage tweet about the audacity of the unlimited e-lending, bringing the whole matter to the attention of a lot more people with him dead in the center being an rear end about it all.

Outside of that, he's just one of those kind of smarmy lefty white guys who are endemic to social media.

This is basically it, plus he's not that good a writer. People would be defending him more if he had not put the sentence "The TIE wibbles and wobbles through the air, careening drunkenly across the Myrrann rooftops - it zigzags herkily-jerkily out of sight." to paper.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
I'm more impressed that got past an editor.

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Liquid Communism posted:

I'm more impressed that got past an editor.

You must not read a lot of star wars books.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Arthil posted:

It's almost like using huge compiled lists that tell you who to block(or do it for you) is a bad idea, or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY0GGgykj3E

Ultiville
Jan 14, 2005

The law protects no one unless it binds everyone, binds no one unless it protects everyone.

Arthil posted:

It's almost like using huge compiled lists that tell you who to block(or do it for you) is a bad idea, or something.

Sure, but Twitter is a “the only winning move is not to play,” situation. If you’re getting brigaded by Nazis and don’t want to just leave the platform it might be the best option you have.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

Ultiville posted:

Sure, but Twitter is a “the only winning move is not to play,” situation. If you’re getting brigaded by Nazis and don’t want to just leave the platform it might be the best option you have.

just set your account to private? you don't need to post on twitter (especially since we have this place), but it is great to read imo

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy

Kavak posted:

You guys still have Twitter?

It rules for following my favorite sports team.

MadScientistWorking
Jun 23, 2010

"I was going through a time period where I was looking up weird stories involving necrophilia..."

Nuns with Guns posted:

The Internet Archive was going to get sued for its (harmless) relaxation of e-lending book scans during a pandemic no matter what, but Chuck Wendig decided to slather a mixture of honey and pulped salmon all over his body and drive into the twitter bear den to outrage tweet about the audacity of the unlimited e-lending, bringing the whole matter to the attention of a lot more people with him dead in the center being an rear end about it all.

Outside of that, he's just one of those kind of smarmy lefty white guys who are endemic to social media.
He did something else a long time ago too that people were equally pissed off at him for which yeah smarmy lefty white guy fits the bill. The annoying part of that is I had to loving intervene because one of his supposed friends decided to start harassing a bunch of women and minorities. I say supposed because I give everyone the benefit of the doubt when Gareth Michael Skarka says hes friends with someone.

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



Thanks for info!

My only memory of Wendig was him trying too hard to be funny while giving generic encouragement. I’m disappointed that he’d have Bad Opinions about lending materials, but I work at a public library, so I’m pretty biased about that.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Kavak posted:

You guys still have Twitter?
It's awful, but it's actually kind of exhausting to keep up with certain things without it. If you can resist the urge to ever actually argue with anyone about anything, you can use it to follow things where an RSS feed doesn't work. All left-activist groups seem to assume that Twitter is a tool you can use to issue announcements and even marching orders, which is definitely never going to bite us in the rear end, literally, in the form of a police dog

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Kavak posted:

You guys still have Twitter?

Yes, please participate in four job fiesta*.

*You no longer need a twitter account to participate.

Darwinism
Jan 6, 2008


DalaranJ posted:

Yes, please participate in four job fiesta*.

*You no longer need a twitter account to participate.

I hosed up and didn't complete even one run last year, I must do penance.

FJF is a blast and everyone should give it a try, FFV is one silly, silly, pretty short JRPG that's worth playing to make goons donate to charity.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

actually3raccoons posted:

My only memory of Wendig was him trying too hard to be funny while giving generic encouragement. I’m disappointed that he’d have Bad Opinions about lending materials, but I work at a public library, so I’m pretty biased about that.

He had that brief moment of everybody thinking he was funny when he and Sam Sykes had that twitter thread on 'Am I An 80's Slasher?' or something like that. (Sam Sykes himself is a fantasy writer whose work I initially enjoyed but not so much anymore, although he left for a while when his bout of unwanted advances on women at conventions surfaced. I think he's back now, though.)

neongrey
Feb 28, 2007

Plaguing your posts with incidental music.
where else can I get a constant, confusing stream of cat pictures, boob pictures, and rage inducing political opinions besides Twitter?

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

neongrey posted:

where else can I get a constant, confusing stream of cat pictures, boob pictures, and rage inducing political opinions besides Twitter?
Tumblr, if you can tolerate the pornbots that didn't actually get banned after all of the smut artists and sex workers left.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Hostile V posted:

Tumblr, if you can tolerate the pornbots that didn't actually get banned after all of the smut artists and sex workers left.

Hm, at least I hope they aren't posting female-presenting nipples, or my monocle might pop off.

neongrey
Feb 28, 2007

Plaguing your posts with incidental music.
I did my time in the tumblr mines. ive never seen so much legit stalking with my own eyes before. never again.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Darwinism posted:

I hosed up and didn't complete even one run last year, I must do penance.

FJF is a blast and everyone should give it a try, FFV is one silly, silly, pretty short JRPG that's worth playing to make goons donate to charity.

I didn't even complete a run, and I had Blue Mage/Mystic Knight/Ninja/Chemist one year!

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Twitter is unfortunately the only major networking social media place for indie RPG designers that isn't a discord server you don't know about or something, Google Groups is dead as hell, Facebook is significantly worse than Twitter in a number of respects, Reddit means dealing with downvotes and subreddit mods and the general quality of Reddit which is also bad, so I mean I'm certainly not going to defend Twitter as a positive force in the world but also where else are you gonna go to stay hooked into a lot of that stuff? Like yeah a lot of Twitter is poo poo and bad but a huge number of the people I follow are indie RPG designers whose work I follow, artists I have/would like to commission, etc. I'm not getting that on RPGnet where they still as far as I know have weird rules about self-promotion.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Hostile V posted:

Tumblr, if you can tolerate the pornbots that didn't actually get banned after all of the smut artists and sex workers left.

Haha you silly goose, tumblr will never ban porn bots, because that might demonstrate that they've got the infrastructure to mass ban neo-nazi accounts.

Eastmabl
Jan 29, 2019
This seems to be a weird alt-right turn from the creator of Stars Without Number.

https://twitter.com/MadBitchEnergy/status/1392275621317861379?s=19

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Eastmabl posted:

This seems to be a weird alt-right turn from the creator of Stars Without Number.

https://twitter.com/MadBitchEnergy/status/1392275621317861379?s=19

This isn't some "weird alt-right turn." Crawford has been trying to address these issues in varying ways since pretty much the beginning of his RPG career, and especially in his fantasy work. It's an attempt to solve the problem of fantasy "races" from the path most designers don't take, the Tolkien orc idea of creatures made irreparably evil by magical forces beyond their control. Not to assign it to straight biology or some idea of "natural difference" but squarely putting it in the fantastical, weird, and magical.

He's spoken about how this tension has underlaid his work before, like in the Red Tide setting, and this is a continuance of that.

It's just RPG Twitter being RPG Twitter, as always.

Battle Mad Ronin
Aug 26, 2017

Eastmabl posted:

This seems to be a weird alt-right turn from the creator of Stars Without Number.

Crrawford has been dealing with 'irredeemably evil races' since his very start in RPG writing, and puts effort into developing the viewpoint of the side of a conflict that could be reduced to 'always chaotic evil' at every turn. He also took up the challenge to make a succesful RPG that did not assume a euro-centric view in 'Spear of the Dawn' and actually made a good RPG with a setting based on West Africa. To call him alt-right is absurd.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
It sounds like a continuation of the same thing that came up with Crawford being mentioned in relation to "solving" race issues in D&D 5e: that of being concerned with an in-universe reason to justify the ongoing existence of an "always chaotic evil" humanoid race because of some feeling that D&D and D&D-like dungeon crawling fantasy games must have that convention. This is running up against the other position that's been kind of gradually building that maybe if this is so deeply embedded in D&D, we shouldn't still be supporting D&D altogether. It's the same kind of nasty tension you get with whether or not Westerns are still an acceptable genre if certain conventions are "necessary" to be a Western in someone's mind.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Nuns with Guns posted:

It sounds like a continuation of the same thing that came up with Crawford being mentioned in relation to "solving" race issues in D&D 5e: that of being concerned with an in-universe reason to justify the ongoing existence of an "always chaotic evil" humanoid race because of some feeling that D&D and D&D-like dungeon crawling fantasy games must have that convention. This is running up against the other position that's been kind of gradually building that maybe if this is so deeply embedded in D&D, we shouldn't still be supporting D&D altogether. It's the same kind of nasty tension you get with whether or not Westerns are still an acceptable genre if certain conventions are "necessary" to be a Western in someone's mind.

Yeah, but if you're looking for "maybe we should stop playing games like D&D" Kevin Crawford is not the place you look.

Like the dude tries to deal with the issues in D&D head on and has squarely always been doing that, not making not-D&D games all of a sudden. It's just the same bullshit RPG Twitter has always been doing, again and again and again.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Having dealt with the tension with Westerns from a writing perspective - there isn't a solution there to play out the genre and also make it okay morally. I want to find one but it doesn't really exist. Not if your players want to play the settlers, the cowboys, etc.

Resisting colonization by a foreign power? That you can make work. But you are leaving the mold of the Western in the process. YMMV on whether that's what you want.

I have a feeling trying to emulate these particular fantasy trappings falls into the same pit where you just can't really salvage it without fundamentally changing it to not be what you're originally after. (edit to clarify: "what you're originally after" being "always chaotic evil enemies, who are also sapient")

SkyeAuroline fucked around with this message at 19:30 on May 12, 2021

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
It's not a weird alt-right turn but :laffo: at anyone who thinks "no people is Always Chaotic Evil" is somehow incompatible with D&D.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



SkyeAuroline posted:

Having dealt with the tension with Westerns from a writing perspective - there isn't a solution there to play out the genre and also make it okay morally. I want to find one but it doesn't really exist. Not if your players want to play the settlers, the cowboys, etc.

Resisting colonization by a foreign power? That you can make work. But you are leaving the mold of the Western in the process. YMMV on whether that's what you want.
Does Little Big Man not count as resisting because the protagonist is still white?

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Terrible Opinions posted:

Does Little Big Man not count as resisting because the protagonist is still white?

You know what - good point, it had slipped my mind while writing it.

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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

SkyeAuroline posted:

Having dealt with the tension with Westerns from a writing perspective - there isn't a solution there to play out the genre and also make it okay morally. I want to find one but it doesn't really exist. Not if your players want to play the settlers, the cowboys, etc.

I mean, if the characters themselves aren't moral or presented as correct or good, that's one approach, right? Most spaghetti Westerns are about utter bastards and people who are slightly less bastards.

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