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Looking at the numbers for Hartlepool makes it look more like the Tories got out all the people who voted for them in 17 to turn out (after dinner of them switched to BXP in 19) and Labour got essentially no one to turn out for them.
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EvilHawk posted:(i.e. kick out Starmer ASAP and get a proper left leader in again, this time one without the antisemitic baggage that plagued Corbyn) Corbyn had no antisemitic baggage. Remember that RLB is now a known antisemite, due to retweeting an article by a Labour supporting actor. It's all constructed.
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May 7, 2021 08:41
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There's still time to go with a dirtbag left "hell yeah I'd scrap Trident... 1200 feet above Brussels, Strasbourg, and the Vatican" candidate. Can't do worse than keeth.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Most people aren't racists, they just believe racist things. That is, they believe the racist things without any underlying framework because that's the idea that the tabloids, both main parties and the BBC have generally been pushing and they believe it as received wisdom, rather than from any self reflection. For a lot of people they generally fall away when there's a counter narrative. Oh lol I just glanced and assumed the IND with 7.5% was them. Whoops.
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I'm not sure if you're denying that Corbyn spent his entire leadership tenure having to deny things in his past were antisemitic? It may have been deliberately misinterpreted in the media but those things already existed.
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The mental backflips required to say that Labour hasn't moved far enough to the right after losing votes/constituencies secured by the left is staggering. I'm struggling to imagine how much worse it's going to get now.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Just checking what Guardian readers are thinking about the election results this morning and it's: Centrist logic is a hell of a thing: A. Voters elect people/parties that are electable B. Keir Starmer is very electable Therefore people who did not vote for Starmer are not true voters Niric fucked around with this message at 08:50 on May 7, 2021 |
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EvilHawk posted:I'm not sure if you're denying that Corbyn spent his entire leadership tenure having to deny things in his past were antisemitic? Yes he did EvilHawk posted:It may have been deliberately misinterpreted in the media but those things already existed. no they loving didn't
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May 7, 2021 08:46
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His Divine Shadow posted:I hate centrists more actually. Good news! You have tories and not centerists.
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May 7, 2021 08:47
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EvilHawk posted:I don't think the "vaccine bounce" should be downplayed. For the vast majority of the public they are going into this election in the wake of lightening restrictions and mass vaccinations (particularly among the age groups that are more likely to vote in local elections. I'm sure there wasn't any reason for that...). They may be tangibly aware that there were some scandals going on, but gently caress even I am not fully aware of what happened and the media certainly aren't raking the Tories over the coals for it. What the general public (i.e. people who aren't terminally online like us) are aware of is that Boris has opened the pubs up and they can see their friends and families. Of course that would lead people to voting Tory. Counter point to that, there was no vaccine bounce. The Tories are polling exactly where they were polling before and after the vaccine. They're at the same rock solid bed of cunts they're always in. Labour on the other hand have dipped massively.
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Yeah, checking the top-rated comments and it's all outrage at how these thick northern bigots have snubbed the obviously electable party lol
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I mean, Corbyn definitely had history supporting the Palestinian people. Is this anti-Semitic? Of course not but that didn't matter at all to the media.
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Aramoro posted:Good news! You have tories and not centerists. lmao someone's salty.
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EvilHawk posted:It may have been deliberately misinterpreted in the media but those things already existed. This is absolute nonsense, as evidenced by anyone on the left saying anything ever being labelled an anti-semite now.
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May 7, 2021 08:48
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EvilHawk posted:I'm not sure if you're denying that Corbyn spent his entire leadership tenure having to deny things in his past were antisemitic? Not just in his past, during his leadership he also committed the antisemitic acts of pronouncing Epstein too Jewishly and gifting Boris a copy of A Christmas Carol. Utterly monstrous behaviour.
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EvilHawk posted:I'm not sure if you're denying that Corbyn spent his entire leadership tenure having to deny things in his past were antisemitic? The point is that any new leader will immediately accrue the same baggage
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I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. Gonzo McFee posted:Counter point to that, there was no vaccine bounce. The Tories are polling exactly where they were polling before and after the vaccine. They're at the same rock solid bed of cunts they're always in. I think the "bounce" could explain the usual lack of a dip in the governing party that is seen in the local elections.
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Rather than continuing to watch the flaming wreckage of the party sink under the waves I'd like to see some convincing action from the unions and Momentum saying they're either taking the helm again or getting into a lifeboat.
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May 7, 2021 08:52
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I say this pretty much every year but labour should just run with legal weed. There are so many successful working examples of it in north america now that it would just sell itself.
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namesake posted:Rather than continuing to watch the flaming wreckage of the party sink under the waves I'd like to see some convincing action from the unions and Momentum saying they're either taking the helm again or getting into a lifeboat. would you settle for Owen Jones?
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EvilHawk posted:I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. Sure it is. If it's at least true or makes even the least little bit of sense.
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EvilHawk posted:I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. There is plenty to criticise Corbyn for, but repeating Actual Lies about him - actual, honest to god falsehoods - ain't that. Don't be so thin-skinned, drat
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EvilHawk posted:I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. That's not a bounce that's a straight line. And we criticise Corbyn all the time, just not with the bullshit made up by our lovely press.
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papa horny michael posted:would you settle for Owen Jones? Nah Jones is really soft politically and would be the last to publicly disaffliate with Labour. Novara have quietly been taking steps back and they were completely embedded with the Corbynite branch.
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EvilHawk posted:I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. Key word being "vague", as in not supported by evidence
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Gonzo McFee posted:lmao someone's salty. I don't even have a dog in the fight here, we have no real Labour Party in Scotland. But hating centerists more than the Tories that just presided over 100k covid deaths seems misplaced at best.
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Fine, going back to lurk. Not particularly interested in having arguments about things that happened all morning.
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EvilHawk posted:I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. It'd be great if you could provide examples, because I myself am just a little bored with how often people seem to go "He was an antisemite and did continually do these things and no I'm not looking into it because the media can't fool me!" There are valid criticisms of Labour and Corbyn in particular. But the belief that something can't be created and spun by the press is not accurate to observable reality. EvilHawk posted:Fine, going back to lurk. Not particularly interested in having arguments about things that happened all morning. "These things happened". "Can you prove it". "I don't need to, you should know this already". Just, if you cover yourself in BBQ sauce when you walk into the lions den don't be surprised when the lion bites you. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 09:01 on May 7, 2021 |
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Saros posted:I mean, Corbyn definitely had history supporting the Palestinian people. Is this anti-Semitic? Of course not but that didn't matter at all to the media. Labour should get one of those extremely cool leftist leaders who publicly hates Palestinian self-determination, such as
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Failed Imagineer posted:Labour should get one of those extremely cool leftist leaders who publicly hates Palestinian self-determination, such as 
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Aramoro posted:Good news! You have tories and not centerists. Yes I know, I agree it's better than centrists being in power.
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EvilHawk posted:I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. Just things thare aren't objectively untrue, otherwise people have criticised Corbyn here for years. EDIT: You're gonna run away aren't you thinking you're in the right all along and that corbyn is antisemitic, aren't you? This is just gonna strengthen your idea that we're all irrational corbynistas right? It's like we can't win, say nothing and we accept you are right and corbyn is antisemtic, say something against it and we're being cultists who can't accept the slightest criticism (I'd say that's a pretty big thing to just accept as true). His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 09:10 on May 7, 2021 |
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Jippa posted:I say this pretty much every year but labour should just run with legal weed. There are so many successful working examples of it in north america now that it would just sell itself. this was possibly my favourite Keith moment when he responded to a question about decriminalising cannabis with some bullshit about prosecuting many cases involving drugs and seeing the harm caused by drugs and gangs I mean it would almost be a reasonable point if he was supporting legalisation instead but he wasn't he was saying we should deal with the issues caused by the black market by ensuring there is always a black market the man is an actual moron
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When you swerve your car off a cliff the important thing to do is to keep turning.
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Ahahahahaha jesus christ they've hosed it.
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Zarah Sultana once said she'd celebrate Benjamin Netanyahu's death (and Blair's and Bush's) and supported violent resistance by Palestinians, so if she ever was made leader Labour would go back to being the anti-Semitic party, whilst the Tories continue to provide material support to Erdogan.
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https://twitter.com/mlothianmclean/status/1390580805047570432 Who'd have thought the Peter Mandelson strategy of "They've got nowhere else to go" isn't working!
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