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Pistol_Pete posted:Just checking what Guardian readers are thinking about the election results this morning and it's: Well the Con / UKIP / Britain First voters are also bad e: gently caress. Going to take a while to photo the cat who is hiding under the sofa currently, hang on e2: cats are such great pets (she is actually lovely) 
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This is not a historic defeat because it only just happened.
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May 7, 2021 09:19
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EvilHawk posted:Fine, going back to lurk. Not particularly interested in having arguments about things that happened all morning. You know you could just admit you're wrong. It's not like anyone's going to lord it over you. Right now you just look kinda pathetic.
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^^^^ Yeah it's not like it was really a big deal, it was a mistake, accept it and move on, no hard feelings. Given the media coverage of Corbyn it's kinda expected that most people might think that. wooger posted:Who did the left vote for instead then? In Hartlepool, apparently no one? Yeah, they stayed at home or spoilt their ballots. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 09:26 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 09:22
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What does change mean? It means we need to change and change faster!
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May 7, 2021 09:22
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EvilHawk posted:I'm not sure if you're denying that Corbyn spent his entire leadership tenure having to deny things in his past were antisemitic? Appearing at an event with a Jewish holocaust survivor, for example, is not anti-semitic baggage even if people claimed that Corbyn was an anti-semite because of it. Criticising the banks for their role in the 2008 crash is not anti-semitic baggage even if people claimed that Corbyn was an anti-semite because of it. Laying a wreath for the victims of a terrorist attack is not anti-semitic baggage even if people claimed that Corbyn was an anti-semite because of it. And so on, and so forth. Indeed, you've voted Labour - you're now an anti-semite according to the press and, eg, the leader of the Greens because of that. Lurk more indeed. MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at 09:28 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 09:24
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If he was that credible you would think people would have voted for him.
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May 7, 2021 09:26
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I believed him when he said most of what he said, I just didn't like any of it.
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May 7, 2021 09:30
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Say what you like about corbyn when he shat the bed he at least resigned over it, he didn't demand to be allowed to roll around in it.
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May 7, 2021 09:30
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May 7, 2021 09:34
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blues thief posted:https://twitter.com/andyburnhamgm/status/1249439296202956805?lang=en So he's a Blairite with even the slightest sense of fair play. He still backed the invasion of Iraq, opposed the investigation of it, and slavishly followed the line of that people who bought us this shitshow. Just because he's managed to wash a tiny amount of the blood off his hands doesn't mean he won't do exactly what Starmer did if he ever gets into power.
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May 7, 2021 09:37
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Yeah I haven't forgotten what he was like in 2015. Man's not trustworthy and even if you think he follows the trend, you put him in charge and he's gonna do exactly as the plp tell him.
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May 7, 2021 09:38
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oh hey keith that's a great party you have left there, reducing your actual appeal to one big school disco comprising entirely pampered idiot-moron career politician grown rear end babies from twitter showing each other their harry potter henna tattoos while d-ream's things can only get better plays on an endless loving loop
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The most bizarre thing I keep seeing come up again and again from the right is that the wrong Miliband brother won the leadership. This is genuinely a real hang-up for them in TYOOL 2021, that if David had been made Labour leaders 11 years ago the entirety of the last decade of politics would just never have happened.
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peanut- posted:The most bizarre thing I keep seeing come up again and again from the right is that the wrong Miliband brother won the leadership. I got that from some weirdo when I was canvassing in 2019. Had no idea what to say to it, who the gently caress is david milliband except for some weird blair loving freak who moved to america?
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May 7, 2021 09:43
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If David Miliband had won then he would have had fewer kitchens for the Mail to be antisemitic about, and would have brought us a second Olympic opening ceremony in 2015.
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Alt-universe Britain 2021, David Milliband Celebrating his third successive term, while London revels in a permanent Olympic opening ceremony.
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May 7, 2021 09:45
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Imo it’s far more likely that Labour are eating poo poo for pretty much the same reason they ate poo poo in 2019: center left and SocDem parties are getting squeezed all over Europe. I don’t think Corbyn made a huge difference in 2019 and I don’t think Starmer made a huge difference this time honestly. Then again Brexit is a uniquely UK thing, so who the gently caress knows. Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 09:47 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 09:45
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Labour should not double down. They should triple, or even quadruple down https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1390586566121250817?s=21
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There's going to be so many right wing opinion pieces helpfully advising Starmer that he can never win until he 'properly' deals with the left of the party.
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Starmer has had 18 months as leader. He's been able to transform the internal apparatus of the party, installing his preferred candidates in key positions. He's got control of the NEC. He's got an incredibly obedient PLP with even his most vocal critics generally being very quiet. He's got a press wing that is incredibly fawning over him. And yet he's lost this seat by significantly more votes than the 'worst election since 1935'.
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peanut- posted:The most bizarre thing I keep seeing come up again and again from the right is that the wrong Miliband brother won the leadership. It was a minor rebuke of Third Way Blairism and where their alt history where they never lost power or elections begins. Corbynism has the same sort of mindset around 2017, the 'What If' grows more stark and painful as time goes on.
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May 7, 2021 09:51
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Part of me wonders whether the Labour right are going to see this as a chance to take more control. You could definitley blame Corbyn, say in addition that Stamer is too close to Corbyn having been his shadow cabinet, then get a less clueless Blairite to take the helm. SpaceCommie posted:then get a less clueless Blairite to take the helm Whoops, I found the error in my logic ...
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May 7, 2021 09:56
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David Milliband would have done worse than Ed.
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May 7, 2021 09:56
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It is difficult to see what "take more control" could mean, they have absolute control of all the functional levels of the party.
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OwlFancier posted:It is difficult to see what "take more control" could mean, they have absolute control of all the functional levels of the party. This is a good point, but I can't imagine absolute weapons like Philips or Streeting wouldn't relish the chance to sit in the big chair themselves.
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OwlFancier posted:It is difficult to see what "take more control" could mean, they have absolute control of all the functional levels of the party. Deselect the left wing MP's on trumped up charges, lose those seats in by elections, use it as an excuse to keep doing the same. They're so concerned with taking control of the clubhouse that they haven't put any thought into what to do once they've got it or if it'll even be worth taking over once they've achieved it.
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May 7, 2021 10:01
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David Miliband was the "sexy" one and therefore eminently more electable
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May 7, 2021 10:01
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i hope keir gets extra shitfaced this afternoon and falls in toilet 
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https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1390585426931499013 I mean he's a oval office but he's right.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Deselect the left wing MP's on trumped up charges, lose those seats in by elections, use it as an excuse to keep doing the same. just 5 years spent gleefully slashing their own bouncy castle with razor blades and they're miffed as to why stomping up and down on a big splatter of sad, deflated rubber with a big horrific, warped clown face on is just no fun at all, it must be everyone else's fault that it's not doing fun bouncy bouncy anymore 
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EvilHawk posted:I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. I know this almost probably isn't what you meant, but rethink sentences that can be interpreted as 'Corbyn supported Palestinians in the past is criticism of Corbyn' because everyone should be supporting Palestinians over the state of Israel.
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EvilHawk posted:I guess any sort of even vague criticism of Corbyn is still not allowed here. Cool. This is a dumb loving take.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1390585426931499013 This is a fake account.
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The support of Chris Williamson, who regularly shares stages with Holocaust deniers, was his biggest misstep imo but yeah, the vast majority of the anti-semitism stuff against Corbyn was total bullshit.
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EvilHawk posted:Fine, going back to lurk. Not particularly interested in having arguments about things that happened all morning. This thread criticises Jeremy Corbyn a lot. We just collectively dismiss the anti-semitism attack line as complete bollocks & a fine example of Goebbels in action, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." This notion you can't criticise him without being run out of the thread is patently bollocks because I still post despite thinking Jeremy Corbyn spunked the best chance in generations (possibly ever) for the left to reshape the Labour Party, & then for failing to stick the knife in the Labour Party after they'd stuck the knife into him repeatedly. "He said it Epshtein instead of Epstein is just further proof he is an anti-semite" was a line uttered by "serious" commentators. It's loving deranged. Or deeply cynical weaponising of a legitimate concern, which just ends up trivialising that legitimate concern.
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Petition for the Labour party to appoint the Starmer AI as interim leader.
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The Perfect Element posted:This is a fake account. Even if it is it's not wrong. There is no centre ground. Just people holding wildly incoherent views that swing all the way from left to right at break neck speed and you have to work to convince them to go with the left by playing to what they want. You don't gain in the centre without convincing people that you're ether far more left or right than you actually are.
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OwlFancier posted:I got that from some weirdo when I was canvassing in 2019. Had no idea what to say to it, who the gently caress is david milliband except for some weird blair loving freak who moved to america? Wait, I listened to Today this morning. You are Peter Mandleson and I claim my £5.
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