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Deketh
Feb 26, 2006
That's a nice fucking fish
I have my 1st vaccination booked for next weds, no idea which one they are using. I wonder if I'll get a choice then or if I'd have to cancel that appointment or something?

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DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Explain this to a foreigner - is it "end vaccine apartheid"?

jabby posted:

Important to remember that the stuff Labour MPs are spouting on the news/twitter are the pre-prepared "we lost" lines. Of course they're going to blame Corbyn and the toxic brand and blah blah still climbing the mountain.

But the scale of the defeat makes it all blatently untrue even to the most self-deluded. They're saying it because its what they had prepared to say, but it won't be what the PLP are actually thinking. It's obvious to everyone Starmer has done far worse than Corbyn even in 2019. Which is what makes it so delicious.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1390631947425222660
Some journalists finally starting to break cover with "hang on, this is even worse than Corbyn's low points".

I used to think U.S. Democrats were the most hapless opposition party but...they win...sometimes...

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 12:48 on May 7, 2021

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Because she's female and BAME you could rely on centrists overlooking the palestine stuff for the girlboss / 'oh poo poo am i being racist if i criticise her' angle long enough for the real people to notice that the things she's saying are actually very good. Then you have a 'despite what the papers are saying' base again.


I think you are giving Labour centrists far, far too much credit here. The US Dems might pay lip service to intersectionality, but ours loving love the racism button and being pro-Palestinian would give them every reason to push it

PNGYAKUZA
Apr 21, 2021

I'm not a monster, it's just a mask.
https://twitter.com/MCRConservative/status/1389981463949586437

This has to be the highlight of the campaign for me

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


DarkCrawler posted:

Explain this to a foreigner - is it "end vaccine apartheid"?

Kill The Bill. The Bill is a slang term for the police that I've never heard anyone ever use outside of an old ITV cop show which was called The Bill. Anyway, it's about stopping a really bad parliamentary bill the government are trying to pass but John Rentoul is a loving idiot.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


jabby posted:

Important to remember that the stuff Labour MPs are spouting on the news/twitter are the pre-prepared "we lost" lines. Of course they're going to blame Corbyn and the toxic brand and blah blah still climbing the mountain.

But the scale of the defeat makes it all blatently untrue even to the most self-deluded. They're saying it because its what they had prepared to say, but it won't be what the PLP are actually thinking. It's obvious to everyone Starmer has done far worse than Corbyn even in 2019. Which is what makes it so delicious.
Yeah this is why I'm just enjoying a hearty lol at all the TIBFJC rather than getting angry. Whatever they say publicly is not reflective of the conversations that are being had behind closed doors. If there's any hope of getting anything resembling a functioning opposition, it needs to start from the loving Blairites admitting that maybe it is in fact not the children who are wrong, and this is pretty loving compelling evidence.

Slim chance of them realising that I know, but their gravy train is gonna derail itself otherwise, and that's no real loss to the rest of us.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

DarkCrawler posted:

Explain this to a foreigner - is it "end vaccine apartheid"?

"kill the bill" is the thing that means kill cops.

"the bill" is a name for the police in the UK, but it is also the name of a series of protests opposing legislation aimed at expanding police powers (a bill also being a term for a piece of legislation)

The double meaning is intentional, but most of the people protesting are not actually looking to mass murder the police.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

DarkCrawler posted:

Explain this to a foreigner - is it "end vaccine apartheid"?

End a proposed piece of legislation in Parliament (a 'bill') that would outlaw protest and criminalise gypsies, Roma, and traveller communities.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



Darth Walrus posted:

End a proposed piece of legislation in Parliament (a 'bill') that would outlaw protest and criminalise gypsies, Roma, and traveller communities.

:stare:

Why is the UK just Florida now? What the actual gently caress happened?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

TulliusCicero posted:

:stare:

Why is the UK just Florida now? What the actual gently caress happened?

You noticed.

The UK has been pretty lovely for decades, but it took until brexit for most of the world to notice. For some reason. I don't know why.

The GRT-hatred is fairly europe wide I guess if you weren't already aware. There's the good political compass meme about it.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Guavanaut posted:

We only just got medical, recreational is something that nobody but a handful of the Greens even wants to touch.

It's something that Europe as a whole is way behind North America (and South Africa) on:


Any half-decent party could make political capital out of things like armed robberies against people not even involved with growing cannabis as a strong case for a regulated legal market, and every time it's polled it seems to get a majority in support.

I'm glad that decriminalisation is slowly making headway, and don't want to take anything away from the good people who fought hard for that in the US. I know that Americans today are (mostly) not the ones responsible for policy from decades ago. But I do find it a little galling that the US basically forced the idiotic war on drugs on the rest of the world and now they all get to sit smugly in their huge clouds of boutique weed smoke tutting at how backward everyone else's drug policy is.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Borrovan posted:

Slim chance of them realising that I know, but their gravy train is gonna derail itself otherwise, and that's no real loss to the rest of us.
I honestly think most of the labour right want to be in opposition rather than in power - they have no ideals the conservatives aren't already putting in place, they get the free cars, a nice office in town and a london flat they can rent out, appearances on the media and none of the responsibility when it goes wrong. I can't for one minute imagine Jessflips being happy actually having to make decisions or do anything.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Guavanaut posted:

Any half-decent party could make political capital out of things like armed robberies against people not even involved with growing cannabis as a strong case for a regulated legal market, and every time it's polled it seems to get a majority in support.
The argument's been a bit poisoned lately by the legal weed market being terrible, meaning that there's actually a thriving black market so their lovely version of legalisation is making criminality worse (apologies for bad sources, cba to find better ones but my partner taught a module on drug policy this year and I can vouch that there are a bunch of academic sources saying "hmm if legalisation good then why this lovely version of it bad, checkmate libs")

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Common sense ideas:

https://twitter.com/HKesvani/status/1390612256287776768

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


TulliusCicero posted:

:stare:

Why is the UK just Florida now? What the actual gently caress happened?

Europe as a whole has never honestly faced up to the massive & deeply hosed up bigotry towards GRT people. It's horrendous.

The leader of the Conservative Party in Scotland: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1390631925543579648?s=21

Eesh, that sucks.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

HK is the only good blue tick on that entire site.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Yea, Legal weed isn't as important in Europe because weed isn't as taken as seriously as a reason to oppress minority groups in the UK as it is in the US, and the police are less interested in pursuing it. In some areas of the UK police forces have publicly announced simple possession won't be investigated or charged due to lack of resources, to a collective shrug by the country - not something you'd see in the US.

SpaceCommie
Oct 2, 2008

I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by Capitalism ...

SPACE!



Bobby Deluxe posted:

HK is the only good blue tick on that entire site.

Nate also has a blue tick and is a veteran of the QC wars.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Very controversial ideas here. Possibly antisemitic?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1390637831295545350?s=21

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

SpaceCommie posted:

Nate also has a blue tick and is a veteran of the QC wars.
Ah yes, the 'crisis on infinite Nate Bethea' arc.

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

jabby posted:

Important to remember that the stuff Labour MPs are spouting on the news/twitter are the pre-prepared "we lost" lines. Of course they're going to blame Corbyn and the toxic brand and blah blah still climbing the mountain.

But the scale of the defeat makes it all blatently untrue even to the most self-deluded. They're saying it because its what they had prepared to say, but it won't be what the PLP are actually thinking. It's obvious to everyone Starmer has done far worse than Corbyn even in 2019. Which is what makes it so delicious.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1390631947425222660
Some journalists finally starting to break cover with "hang on, this is even worse than Corbyn's low points".

Yeah it doesnt take a genius to pull up the 2021 results side by side with the 2019 results and draw two very simple conclusions

1. the tories gained 3k votes but labour was cut in half losing 8k votes
2. if labour had simply managed to cobble together a repeat turnout of 2019 it could have held onto the seat

that's not "the brexit party coming home", that's "half the people who voted for corbyn in 2019 didn't turn out for starmer, and if they had he'd have won"

it couldn't be more of repudiation of everything starmer has used his time as leader to do

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

PNGYAKUZA posted:

https://twitter.com/MCRConservative/status/1389981463949586437

This has to be the highlight of the campaign for me

loving lol

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


It's alright, getting in is the last thing Labour candidates have to worry about in this election.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


Rustybear posted:

Yeah it doesnt take a genius to pull up the 2021 results side by side with the 2019 results and draw two very simple conclusions

1. the tories gained 3k votes but labour was cut in half losing 8k votes
2. if labour had simply managed to cobble together a repeat turnout of 2019 it could have held onto the seat

that's not "the brexit party coming home", that's "half the people who voted for corbyn in 2019 didn't turn out for starmer, and if they had he'd have won"

it couldn't be more of repudiation of everything starmer has used his time as leader to do

I'm in Derbyshire, and this is the first election I've ever been involved in where I didn't vote Labour.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

peanut- posted:

Very controversial ideas here. Possibly antisemitic?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1390637831295545350?s=21

Dripping with antisemitism

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

PNGYAKUZA posted:

https://twitter.com/MCRConservative/status/1389981463949586437

This has to be the highlight of the campaign for me
At first glance, I read that plinth as "O poo poo lab".

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

Sanford posted:

I'm in Derbyshire, and this is the first election I've ever been involved in where I didn't vote Labour.

likewise (on the sentiment not the derbyshire bit)

just think, this could be an extremely timely and low cost wake up call to the PLP. it absolutely wont be tho

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1390635594821292036
Really putting the boot into NIP here

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-mayor-local-uk-elections-2021-latest-news-results-b933718.html

there's no loving way, right?

not even keef can be THAT bad, right?????

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean it does say theyre counting the tory bits first.

The article underneath is is funny though:

quote:

Labour leader has ‘failed', says union general secretary

General Secretary of Unite the Union Len McCluskey has said Keir Starmer has “failed”.

He told BBC Radio Four: “He was elected a year ago on a radical programme, some said a Corbyn-esque programme; he said he wanted to make the moral case for socialism; he wanted a united party - unfortunately he’s failed in all of those areas.

“Hartlepool is the manifestation of it - people don’t know what his vision is. People don’t know what Labour stand for anymore.”

Mr McCluskey added: “Unfortunately when either side actually don’t deliver the deal and say there wasn’t a deal, trust breaks down, and that’s what happened with me and Keir.

“Obviously if he rang me I would speak to him. I don’t want to be nasty to anybody.

“But the truth of the matter at the moment is unless he presses that reset button, unless he goes back to making the moral case for socialism, unless he starts talking about the radical alternative for ordinary working people then I’m afraid we’ll find ourselves in this continuous downward decline.”

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
billie aye ye yaaaaay

biilliieee aye yee yaaaaay

dooodoododooooo paaakisstaaaan billy aaaaye ye yaaaaaaaaaay :sax:

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said
they're just happen to be counting results from tory boroughs first, it'll flip soon enough

the only way he can win is if it turns out the pollsters have been polling london, ontario this whole time by accident

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Rustybear posted:

Yeah it doesnt take a genius to pull up the 2021 results side by side with the 2019 results and draw two very simple conclusions

1. the tories gained 3k votes but labour was cut in half losing 8k votes
2. if labour had simply managed to cobble together a repeat turnout of 2019 it could have held onto the seat

that's not "the brexit party coming home", that's "half the people who voted for corbyn in 2019 didn't turn out for starmer, and if they had he'd have won"

it couldn't be more of repudiation of everything starmer has used his time as leader to do

It's been shown time and time again that people don't really change who they vote for that much, what changes is the drive to vote - here we're seeing polling numbers in line with 2019, but traditional Labour voters just can't be arsed to go vote.

What tends to get people to vote is a character - Blair beat Major because major is the only person in existence with less personality than Starmer. Boris is more "interesting" than Corbin.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Starmerism is best summed up by pointing out that footballers, backstabbing ex-spads and loving icecream are all providing a more effective opposition to the conservatives than he is.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Doesn't ben and jerrys have factories in occupied palestine??

Or am I thinking of a different company.

chestnut santabag
Jul 3, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

Doesn't ben and jerrys have factories in occupied palestine??

Or am I thinking of a different company.

I think that was Sodastream?

Oh, seems like B&Js has a licensee that sells in illegal settlements I think?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

chestnut santabag posted:

I think that was Sodastream?

It's both

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Is it possible for 'youth = left wing' to change?

The current levels of government spending for the Tory party, tell us this: There is no ideological commitment to libertarian virtue that is above electoral realities. If they have to buy votes, they will, doing the bare minimum in order to achieve that. In other words, this is the 'one nation' Conservative party —paternalism honoured as a bare minimum appeasement against class revolt.

With no tangible positive outcome in sight for the political left, will the youth not simply embrace the cold blooded pragmatism of the Tory electoral machine?

As most young people say when getting their first job "it's better than nothing."

On moral grounds I don't support this happening. I just want to raise the question of relying on the youth as a strategy. Can we?

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1390626791639945220?s=21

oh my god

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