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Farg posted:The WoL kills Zenos by poisoning his food Shove the last remaining canister of White Rose in the entire world right down his throat then punch him hard enough in the gut to rupture the can.
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Bruceski posted:Ravana and Susano as well. I want a tag-team Ravana + Susano Trial. Just let me have the two most EXTRA Primals being total bros while they try to murder me. Cleretic posted:I would accept Giott being the one to kill Zenos. I like this idea. Let's bring Giott in to suplex every stupid plot character/contrivance that needs to be done away with.
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https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/2021/na/message-board/ Dev team members posted a few comments on the Fanfest site and Ishikawa lets slip that Estinien's surname will be revealed in 6.0
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the_steve posted:Fandango will go for the Sudden But Inevitable Betrayal only for Zenos to remind him that being an Anime Himbo gives him plot armor against other villains. How DARE you. A himbo must be beefy, dumb, AND kindhearted. Zenos qualifies for beefy and probably qualifies for dumb, but he is not kindhearted at all.
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Waffleman_ posted:https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/2021/na/message-board/ 'it will be your WoL's surname, because he's your husband now'
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Waffleman_ posted:https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/2021/na/message-board/ Estinien’s surname is Wyrmblood.
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nidhogg specifically targeted his family cause having a last name like wyrmblood is a little hosed up
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Estinien’s surname is Wyrmblood. I believe Wyrmblood is a title because his name in Japanese is Toryu no Estinien, or Dragonslayer Estinien.
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Yeah. It's a weird name because it doesn't really fit Ishgarian naming conventions, and almost sounds like something an edgy teenager would take when he decides to devote his life to killing dragons. It also fits the other way though. Saying someone has the blood of a dragon could be saying something noble, somewhat similar to how they describe the various imperial dynasties in Elder Scrolls as Dragonborn, although there's a bit more to that aspect there. Waffleman_ posted:I believe Wyrmblood is a title because his name in Japanese is Toryu no Estinien, or Dragonslayer Estinien. That's fair too. EE presents is like a surname but it could have been because of that.
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May 7, 2021 15:38
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Yeah. It's a weird name because it doesn't really fit Ishgarian naming conventions, and almost sounds like something an edgy teenager would take when he decides to devote his life to killing dragons. I took it to be an honorific rather than a last name. Estinian is so good at killing dragons people started calling him Wyrmblood, but it is not and never was his actual last name.
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yea it's an honorific thing, I imagine if his surname is going to be some level of a 'reveal' rather than just told to us there's going to be some tragedy element where he felt he had to abandon his proper name and make the mantle of 'Wrymblood' his identity instead.
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May 7, 2021 15:47
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He changed it to Wyrmblood because that sounded way more Dragoony than his original last name of Johnson.
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Yea tbh I want it to be just full chuuni bullshit where we find out his last name is actually one from a perfectly average upper class family that was loving and encouraging and managed to survive the war nice and safe and all, and he just wanted a cool dragoon name.
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May 7, 2021 15:57
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estinien's real last name? highwind.
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Vitamean posted:estinien's real last name? highwind. highwind but french
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Chillgamesh posted:highwind but french L'ighwind
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Sherry Bahm posted:I want a tag-team Ravana + Susano Trial. Just let me have the two most EXTRA Primals being total bros while they try to murder me.
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I can only pronounce Fandaniel's name as Fan Daniel. like he's really excited he gets to play a villian in his favorite rpg series and he's hamming it up so hard that he's consistently one once of excitement away from wetting himself. I get that he and Zenos are both 'I'm murder happy please kill me' characters but unless they do something interesting with him Fandaniel just kinda feels like he might as well be a whacky zanny version of Avatar's firelord; a totally flat character. no hate, everything else about that show is fantastic.
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FunkyFjord posted:I can only pronounce Fandaniel's name as Fan Daniel. I mean I feel like in the year 2021 we can't really say that a wacky assholes filled with nothing but hate is an unrealistic villain
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Oh sure but most of his scenes strike me like wiley e coyote learned to talk. I come from the midwest and the racists and overt trump people don't start dancing and smiling like a child at a birthday party when they express their hatred. He's a magically genocidal daffy duck with a death wish. I dunno, I definitely don't want to knock anyone for liking him, and really there jusy isn't enough to him yet imo, he just comes off as maybe the villian with the absolute least amount going on character wise. I think the towers and how they've pushed that realm of the story are good and neat I just find the character behind them to be rice paper levels of thin. I get being awakened as a sundered messed him up in all sorts of ways that the game hasn't begun to explore yet, but his performance and writing feel like that one kid in theater class who always went extra hard despite not being able to act and his scenes also fail to give me 'good because its bad' vibes. Again, I don't really know yet but I don't like him so far. I'm also really new to ffxiv and maybe having every story bit up to current made some past villians not come off like this to me. Were any previous villians recieved similarly? I guess I somewhat frequently see Zenos hate in here, I don't share that but I can totally understand how anyone would think he's ultra boring.
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FunkyFjord posted:I can only pronounce Fandaniel's name as Fan Daniel. How else are you supposed to say it
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FunkyFjord posted:Again, I don't really know yet but I don't like him so far. I'm also really new to ffxiv and maybe having every story bit up to current made some past villians not come off like this to me. Were any previous villians recieved similarly? I guess I somewhat frequently see Zenos hate in here, I don't share that but I can totally understand how anyone would think he's ultra boring. I feel like people felt similarly about Asahi, so fitting I guess.
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FunkyFjord posted:I can only pronounce Fandaniel's name as Fan Daniel. I mean, I compare him to Exdeath for a reason: Exdeath is the single most one-dimensional villain Final Fantasy's ever had (seriously, even Garland has more to him), and that's perfect for who he is and the game he's in. Final Fantasy V needed a villain who you just plainly and simply hated, because it's a game designed with the assumption that you're gonna be going all-out with the wildest poo poo you can think of and feeling good about it. It wouldn't have worked with a more sympathetic enemy like, say, Kuja. XIV has villains that just don't try to be likeable except as villains before (both Nidhogg and Vauthry feel like they nail different sides of Exdeath's original formula), but I don't think they've ever had someone quite as actively loathsome as Fandaniel seems to be before. And I think that's wonderful to finally get, I'm really looking forward to a boss fight that gets everyone on the exact same page of 'can't wait to gently caress this guy's face up'.
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people were extremely "ughh this villain is gonna suck" about emet in 4.4/4.5
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Farg posted:people were extremely "ughh this villain is gonna suck" about emet in 4.4/4.5 Emet didn't exist as the focus of an expansion and suck there too though.
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My mind just went to Zenos. Like poo poo at least Only Fans Daniel is having fun with it and eating every inch of scenery.
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Farg posted:people were extremely "ughh this villain is gonna suck" about emet in 4.4/4.5 People were extremely sure ShB would suck because of time travel shenanigans
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Eimi posted:Emet didn't exist as the focus of an expansion and suck there too though. Have you the strength......to be less wrong?
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Have you the strength......to be less wrong? I will not apologize for being correct.
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Cleretic posted:I mean, I compare him to Exdeath for a reason: Exdeath is the single most one-dimensional villain Final Fantasy's ever had (seriously, even Garland has more to him), and that's perfect for who he is and the game he's in. Final Fantasy V needed a villain who you just plainly and simply hated, because it's a game designed with the assumption that you're gonna be going all-out with the wildest poo poo you can think of and feeling good about it. It wouldn't have worked with a more sympathetic enemy like, say, Kuja. We could be getting an FFV world 2 moment: "We're gonna stop you, Exdeath!" "Do you even know what I'm trying to do?" "...no, what is it?"
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e: There's honestly a lot they could do with going to the moon. Sure there's tons of 4 stuff they could sprinkle all around, and we know about Anima, but we're taking a step off the planet and in to nearby space so they could do basically anything they wanted. There could be more Dissidia side content than anything else for all we know.Cleretic posted:I mean, I compare him to Exdeath for a reason: Exdeath is the single most one-dimensional villain Final Fantasy's ever had (seriously, even Garland has more to him), and that's perfect for who he is and the game he's in. Final Fantasy V needed a villain who you just plainly and simply hated, because it's a game designed with the assumption that you're gonna be going all-out with the wildest poo poo you can think of and feeling good about it. It wouldn't have worked with a more sympathetic enemy like, say, Kuja. I guess I can totally see this. quote:XIV has villains that just don't try to be likeable except as villains before (both Nidhogg and Vauthry feel like they nail different sides of Exdeath's original formula), but I don't think they've ever had someone quite as actively loathsome as Fandaniel seems to be before. And I think that's wonderful to finally get, I'm really looking forward to a boss fight that gets everyone on the exact same page of 'can't wait to gently caress this guy's face up'. While I'm definitely already on the 'can't wait to trash this trash' train I definitely felt like Nidhogg and Vauthry both had a lot more going on, or at least represented a lot more than 'i couldn't care less about literally anything and can barely wait to die' boy. Perhaps it's just my experience of him coming in to the story immediately after Emet, who is probably my favorite written villain so far. Farg posted:people were extremely "ughh this villain is gonna suck" about emet in 4.4/4.5 Even though I enjoyed him way more than Lahabrea or Elidibus I could totally see this being the case if the only thing he appeared in for months or more was one of his introductory cut scenes clowning on Garleans.
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re: zenos they should give him the majima everywhere treatment from yakuza https://youtu.be/lpH25fgtM0o
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I believe in Ishikawa's power to make me care about ascians
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Badger of Basra posted:People were extremely sure ShB would suck because of time travel shenanigans Yeah, it's pretty much been forgotten now, but there was a lot of hesitancy about ShB and Emet. I definitely recall concern over Emet being some kind of wacky cackling clown villain based on his appearances as Solus in SB. Everyone was prepared to go to Garlemald so there was a pretty mixed reaction to the news that it's actually going to be an alternate dimension/time travel expansion featuring some minor antagonists from two years ago. Even the positive reactions were mostly just "This sounds weird, but it could be interesting I guess."
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May 7, 2021 21:18
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Ishikawa was just asked who her favorite NPC is
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Ishikawa posted:I'd say Fandaniel and his [???]. Onlyfans Daniel indeed. 
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Eimi posted:Ishikawa was just asked who her favorite NPC is Fandaniel and his massive hog
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His Fandongiel
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