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gonadic io posted:https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1390636691162009600 King centerist Adonis was mildly critical of kier after losing a by-election and now he's lumped in with Owen Jones as an offical enemy within. unhinged.
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JoylessJester posted:King centerist Adonis was mildly critical of kier after losing a by-election and now he's lumped in with Owen Jones as an offical enemy within. unhinged. lmao.
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May 7, 2021 16:28
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think labour about to kick out anyone who writes Keith online
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May 7, 2021 16:29
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anyone who doesn't show sufficient faith in keith as the messiah sent to deliver labour into the promised land of electability must now be purged from the party
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May 7, 2021 16:34
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Now I'm sad we're never gonna have a Starmer vs. May GE. That would have been amazing.
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May 7, 2021 16:39
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seriously has he been at the helium https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1390691539224080390?s=20
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May 7, 2021 16:40
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lol joe anderson has been replaced as liverpool mayor by joanne anderson
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May 7, 2021 16:41
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keithings will continue until voting improves
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Jose posted:lol joe anderson has been replaced as liverpool mayor by joanne anderson Broke: uncle Joe Woke: auntie Jo
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May 7, 2021 16:43
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1390625762257035266 standing in my shirt that says labour, wearing my hat that says labour, standing in front of a big blinking sign that says labour, asking, "we really need some sort of unifying constituency and brand. what could it be?"
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May 7, 2021 17:11
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Jose posted:seriously has he been at the helium impressive stuff lol, Kamala Starmer vibes
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May 7, 2021 17:26
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Corbyn last seen walking into a crowd, pressing a detonator and sending jam all over the polling stations. drat him.
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May 7, 2021 17:30
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:keithings will continue until voting improves
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Boris delivered boats and boats of brexit pain, and promised more. Keir promised nothing but a whispy, nearly transparent cloud of pure emptiness. UK voters were like "Hell yeah loving pain. I love pain. I'm a little piggy painslut and pain is how I know I'm alive. pain pain pain paaaaaaaaainnnn"
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Lol the comments on that are so loving salty
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mrmcd posted:Boris delivered boats and boats of brexit pain, and promised more. Keir promised nothing but a whispy, nearly transparent cloud of pure emptiness. UK voters were like "Hell yeah loving pain. I love pain. I'm a little piggy painslut and pain is how I know I'm alive. pain pain pain paaaaaaaaainnnn" People will literally take the status quo over absolutely nothing even if the status quo puts salt in their eyes. Trump also hosed up trade and the Corona and all that did was have him lose by a razor thin margin. It's hilarious to see it happen in another country only the liberal party completely collapses.
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When will there be Scotland results? I want to know if the UK will persist
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Honj Steak posted:When will there be Scotland results? I want to know if the UK will persist https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c37d28xdn99t/scottish-parliament-election-2021
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Honj Steak posted:When will there be Scotland results? I want to know if the UK will persist 48 expected today, the remaining 75 or 80 due tomorrow. Currently the SNP are up 2 from the 33 results announced so far.
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burn the whole party to the ground with every MP in it https://twitter.com/Simon_Vessey/status/1390715879202099213?s=20
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HORSE-SLAUGHTERER posted:what the gently caress is a "vaccine bounce" meant to be? whatever it is people are blaming it for more or less whatever they want its the narrative to explain why the tories support hasnt dropped depsite all the corruption and deaths. when its pretty obvious, its rally round the flag effect and people beleiving what they read. tory supporters don't blame boris for the plague since its a random act of fate and saying well it could have gone better after the fuckup isn't convincing. if that was convincing the tories wouldn't last any time at all in government. the national media hasn't challenged the government much at all on anything substantive its funny the press in the UK basically propagandises the poo poo out of everyone then apparently finds it eerie when it works
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Shaun Bailey winning would be unbelievably funny because he wasn't even trying. He was clearly setting himself up for winning some suburban London constituency at a general election because he was just saying the most outrageously lovely stuff, but because Keith & Sadiq have been so bloodless Labour voters just didn't turn up & now he even has a vague chance.
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That's a very weird way to write Corbyn.
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Jose posted:lol at how many of them mispell his name Wow, I can almost see the face of the people they interviewed in front of my mind's eye. White and old.
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I suspect many of those people weren't going to vote for Labour pretty much regardless of who the leader was. Those aren't lefty criticism for the most part.
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Labour, as in the Labour movement, hasn't held power since 1979. It could have held power in the 90s, but the Party buckled under internal pressure from backroom boys and very openly became the 'heirs of Thatcher' ie not Thatcherites explicitly but a clear downstream interpretation of the world she set up. After 2019, lessons should have been learned, but both wings of the Party still believe they have the right answers and that the other wing is sabotaging them. Because both sides believe this, they do indeed sabotage one another, although neither actually has the right answer. Labour doesn't have a base in the media. Like out of all the papers it has one sure supporter, The Mirror. Guardian has consistently over the years sided with Liberals/SDP/Lib Dems when push comes to shove. This makes getting the message out incredibly difficult, the only time they have successfully got the message out in recent years was in 2017 when May poo poo the bed so badly with her manifesto that she had the media, who had slaughtered Corbyn's manifesto, leaked a few days before, as "worse than 1983's 'longest suicide note in history'", instead turn on her. This all came down to money, as her plans for elderly care would have liquidated the chattering class' property wealth. Some of it does come down to 'idpol' but not in the sense people think. Most working-class people I sincerely believe aren't against minorities, whether ethnic or sexual. They are against however a parochial, hand-washing, liberal approach to it, which is to tell the white working-classes they are guilty. The white middle-classes cast the working-classes as bigots to absolve themselves, despite the working-classes having multi-ethnic neighbours, whereas white middle-classes intentionally ghettoise themselves. The Labour Party consistently aligns itself with the middle-class interpretation of race relations, and telling the average voter they should feel guilty is poison, not least when those voters live in some of the most deprived areas of the country and have done sod all, bar not frequent an Islington Eritrean restaurant and write about it for The Guardian. Brexit ties into that imo for the reason above more than any actual politics on Europe. The Remainers have spent 5 years basing opposition to Brexit as a moral position, that Leavers are a rotten racist sort, while they take support of a business cartel to South Korean stan culture levels and ignore you know, letting thousands of Africans drown in the Med, which the EU chose to do when it refused to continue funding Italian state rescues and patrols. People are tribal and once you break the taboo there's no going back. There's a lot of people out there who could never, ever bring themselves to vote Tory, but they've had 15 years of being offered Tory surrogates like UKIP and Brexit Party, who both offered populism and an alternative while not going into so much detail it became some profound choice to vote for them. Again both parties were painted as 'evil'. Once you've half-broken the taboo, you can break the taboo properly, which they did in 2019 voting for Tories. None of them are going to turn around and say in 2024 'that was a one off' or ever feel they morally can't vote Tory again. Because of the nature of many of these seats and councils, who have been Labour... forever, there's a genuine feeling Labour are the party of power and the Tories are the opposition. The reason the Tories can pick up votes 11 years into power is because actually these places have never, ever voted Tory. For most you have to go back to abolished seats that covered the area in like the 20s to get a non-Labour MP. Then there's the generational shift. Again, we haven't had the Labour Movement in power since 1979. Anyone under 40 has never lived even as a baby through one of those governments. 40 years of unchallenged neoliberalism has changed the sentiments on society and what one even wants. So this becomes a desire to shift society rather than politics even. Like people forget when Blair got into power his sincere desire was to turn the UK into a one party state, with New Labour floating where public opinion went, he didn't win an ideological battle-winning power, he promised not to rock the boat. He promised to do as people wished. If you're British you'll remember there were several bad train crashes in the late 90s / early 00s, because his brains trusts were telling him the public didn't care about rail funding lol. The Tories reacted to Blair by bringing in Cameron, a Blair clone, and saying what the public wanted to hear. The Tories had changed. Hug a hoodie. etc. They got into power and held on to it and promised to be whatever the public wanted. The state can't have two 'Parties of Power' and the Tories pipped Labour to it in 2010. Labour need to figure out a new message for a country that has had 40 years of neoliberalism being the status quo, and they can't rehash the promise of the 90s which got them into power, of 'we will do what the Tories did but without the sleaze' because nobody cares anymore, or rather, neoliberalism has rotted their sense of social obligation so much they care on a personal level but not a political one. There's a lot of hard truths and Labour's factions won't address any of them, insisting they have the right answer. In fact it's both. 'we lost 2019 because of Starmer's Brexit policy!!' maybe, but I know several people who left Labour 'emotionally' in 2016 when Corbyn, on record as thinking the EU are anti-democratic crooks, campaigned to Remain. By 2019 they were voting Brexit Party or Tory. I mention this as it's a hard truth that both sides faltered but neither will acknowledge their own responsibility. tl;dr hostile press, neoliberalism, societal shift, wrong (middle-class not working-class) brand of 'social justice', and pure hubris from all the factions in the Party. Labour haven't 'learned lessons' because they all think they are the group to teach the lesson and that the problem is other factions won't listen.
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namesake posted:I suspect many of those people weren't going to vote for Labour pretty much regardless of who the leader was. Those aren't lefty criticism for the most part. no but considering starmer is trying to appeal to the spiteful vicious cunts at expensive of all else its very funny that they see him as a wet wipe
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I can't believe Jeremy Corbyn would try to mislead us by using a variety of silly hats and disguises to answer those exit polls and pretend Starmer wasn't the sane and electable choice
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:I can't believe Jeremy Corbyn would try to mislead us by using a variety of silly hats and disguises to answer those exit polls and pretend Starmer wasn't the sane and electable choice Jeremy Corbyn, wearing a handlebar mustache and bushy eyebrows: "That Kendier Starmer is an anti-semite."
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