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i think rutibex has a point, the widespread use of english across the globe (hollywood + media that propagates american propaganda) does give the american empire a lot of soft power
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May 7, 2021 13:10
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mila kunis posted:i think rutibex has a point, the widespread use of english across the globe (hollywood + media that propagates american propaganda) does give the american empire a lot of soft power I've talked about this before, but the American stranglehold on media and cultural influence is going to make it difficult for "Chinese soft power" to come to the fore, even if the US doesn't do anything to help, or is actively harmful to, its client states, simply because lots of people are going to keep cheerleading American imperialism as being fundamentally good at worst or the-lesser-evil at best, while simultaneously considering China's proactive moves to be efforts at imperialism itself.
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May 7, 2021 13:15
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that much i cant argue with its genuinely disturbing at this point how many countries are hellbent on giving the united states the benefit of the doubt no matter how gaffishly our leaders indicate we dont understand or care about any of their interests its kind of like seeing someone date your dirtbag uncle and insist theyre a great and wonderful person despite the fact that in public he treats them just as shittily as he treats anyone else in your family
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May 7, 2021 13:35
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how can non americans be convinced that this place is a crumbling pathetic nation full of homeless camps, medical debt, mass imprisonment, mass shootings, and a deeply unhealthy neurotic “culture” resulting in 20% of the population taking psychiatric drugs just so they dont jump off a bridge or have constant panic attacks
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May 7, 2021 13:53
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Sure, there are bad things about America, but we also make capeshit so it evens out.
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May 7, 2021 13:58
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THS posted:how can non americans be convinced that this place is a crumbling pathetic nation full of homeless camps, medical debt, mass imprisonment, mass shootings, and a deeply unhealthy neurotic “culture” resulting in 20% of the population taking psychiatric drugs just so they dont jump off a bridge or have constant panic attacks I swear to you, every time Duterte picks a fight with Congress, some dipshit ignoramus brings up how "at least the US still has checks-and-balances" it's gotten even worse now that Biden has won, because people here are convinced that it means we can also VOTE!!! our way out of this mess, just like America did
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May 7, 2021 14:01
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https://twitter.com/benjaminkatzeff/status/1390239641996042242
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May 7, 2021 14:05
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i just started going through and reading the china gbs thread in early february 2020, and lol the posters there were calling quarantine centers "concentration camps" my favorite post: quote:This is so cruel. Instead of warehousing them, can't they just identify them as sick? Maybe something like make them wear a badge to say they're sick? wait no just got to this one, which is very funny in retrospect: quote:Yeah it's too late to worry about infecting the family members. This is the point of the quarantine at home, everyone in the house gets it but it doesn't spread from there. And as I said most people get mild symptoms and if the severe cases can't be cared for elsewhere then just stay at home. It's a bad situation but it's better than taking the severe cases and cramming them all in a room together to die. fart simpson has issued a correction as of 15:13 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 15:10
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gradenko_2000 posted:I've talked about this before, but the American stranglehold on media and cultural influence is going to make it difficult for "Chinese soft power" to come to the fore, even if the US doesn't do anything to help, or is actively harmful to, its client states, simply because lots of people are going to keep cheerleading American imperialism as being fundamentally good at worst or the-lesser-evil at best, while simultaneously considering China's proactive moves to be efforts at imperialism itself. I wonder how much of a difference this is going to make in the long term considering that the US does not have control on soft power across the world in the way they need to especially in the global south or large parts of Eurasia. Even Europe at this point is a bit of a battleground. The US isn’t going down without a fight but they have done a ton of self damage to themselves. I mean the Philippines has a ton of American influence in it but it is also a former American colony with a large number of immigrants to the US. The fact that it is now “contested” if anything shows Americans soft power has eroded and the US is simply now pushing back. In contrast, I think in Russia, the US has lost a lot of soft power more recently. The Navalny protests have fizzled out and I don’t think halting visas has won them any points. Yeah I read through this thing and they didn’t provide any evidence to support their headline. It is a bit annoying. Basically, North Korea is making more cement and probably won’t export most of it... that is it. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:44 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 16:23
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building things? bah, that just shows they have a lack of options. its much higher returns to ram your money into speculation instead of making things
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May 7, 2021 16:38
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gradenko_2000 posted:I've talked about this before, but the American stranglehold on media and cultural influence is going to make it difficult for "Chinese soft power" to come to the fore, even if the US doesn't do anything to help, or is actively harmful to, its client states, simply because lots of people are going to keep cheerleading American imperialism as being fundamentally good at worst or the-lesser-evil at best, while simultaneously considering China's proactive moves to be efforts at imperialism itself. It appears to me that dynamics in cultural softpower can change rather quickly with changing economic primacy Consider how Korea has become a media export juggernaut comparable to Japan in the span of a mere decade. Hell, america itself is an example of this. Going from a culture viewed as quaint by Europe's artistic elite to the defining world spanning culture within the span of 50 years from 1900-1950. Everyone watched american movies and listened to american songs, irregardless of language. This was mainly predicated on american economic dominance. China is unlikely to reach the monopolization of influence golden age Hollywood enjoyed, but this comes down to the likelihood that China will not reach the status of unquestioned hegemon that America became post WW2. The Chinese will be competing in a cultural sphere with america Russia India Japan Korea and regional players like Nigeria as well as Brazil.
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May 7, 2021 16:53
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Dreddout posted:It appears to me that dynamics in cultural softpower can change rather quickly with changing economic primacy Yeah, the PRC is going to be in more of a "first among equals" situation than the US. However, for that to happen, the US really can't be in complete control anymore and the American elite is determined to not allow it to happen even though I don't think there is much to do economically. The most likely result is just different players carving parts of the world out for themselves and there may not be a single united "culture" even if it would be possible to stop cross pollinization.
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May 7, 2021 17:03
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Dreddout posted:It appears to me that dynamics in cultural softpower can change rather quickly with changing economic primacy hollywood movies are for boomers. the chinese company Tencent controls fortenight/call of duty/world of warcraft, they are dominating the future
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May 7, 2021 17:04
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gradenko_2000 posted:I've talked about this before, but the American stranglehold on media and cultural influence is going to make it difficult for "Chinese soft power" to come to the fore, even if the US doesn't do anything to help, or is actively harmful to, its client states, simply because lots of people are going to keep cheerleading American imperialism as being fundamentally good at worst or the-lesser-evil at best, while simultaneously considering China's proactive moves to be efforts at imperialism itself. it’s our turn to be on the other side of the iron curtain looking out. gonna be more and more difficult to square the lie of life as portrayed by hollywood when china looks increasingly like wakanda irl
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May 7, 2021 17:15
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Antonymous posted:the Gutenberg press is quite plainly just making books the chinese way, by pressing movable type onto paper, instead of scribes writing on parchment, and it blew europe the gently caress up the original fake news russian disinformation campaign
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May 7, 2021 17:19
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Antonymous posted:sorry to triple post but I remember David Graeber (I think) saying that from an outside perspective arabs are westerners since they have the same cultural origin, worship the same god, were in constant contact. Blew my mind. If you were chinese it would be hard to see how Spanish and Arabic history/cultures are somehow completely distinct but spanish/french aren't because without the lens of western racism and being embedded in the history well, the distinctions don't really exist islamic culture especially in andalusia was as "western european" as gently caress especially since they saved all the ancient greek texts
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May 7, 2021 17:20
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Rutibex posted:hollywood movies are for boomers. the chinese company Tencent controls fortenight/call of duty/world of warcraft, they are dominating the future The future in the same sense that movies were the future like 60 years ago.
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May 7, 2021 17:26
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I think it will be increasingly like English in EU. The European are still using the language to communicate with each other but the nation state of UK will be more and more irrelevant in the European continent. But the process will take a very long time. Also when people are talking about the Chinese "soft power", they are not refer to the Chinese culture, but rather the investment and consumer market influence. So it's not fair to use language and culture to describe the American soft power. A good example I can think of is in the non-Westetn English media, the Al Jazeera, TRT and CNA news of the world, how many of them are following the Western media lead of calling the Uyghers camp "genocides", or the Chinese rocket falling down to crash houses, or blood cotton? I actually have looked. But my point is if these media are not following the western lead, then your "English soft power" is not as useful as you think. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 17:36 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 17:31
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Ardennes posted:
the horror of the 90s are associated with american fueled neoliberalism and the more things get worse in russia due to the oligarchy the more people remember what they lost its a dual hatred of the oligarchy and the american government
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May 7, 2021 17:37
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Rutibex posted:hollywood movies are for boomers. the chinese company Tencent controls fortenight/call of duty/world of warcraft, they are dominating the future Tencent may be forced to divest those holdings. It's also facing antitrust penalties from China's regulators.
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May 7, 2021 17:49
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https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/1390674607703830530?s=20
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May 7, 2021 19:03
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muzzled for calling Caucasus peoples cockroaches
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May 7, 2021 19:10
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Antonymous posted:the Gutenberg press is quite plainly just making books the chinese way, by pressing movable type onto paper, instead of scribes writing on parchment, and it blew europe the gently caress up i should just assume everything i was ever taught was a lie
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May 7, 2021 20:23
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comedyblissoption posted:it's cool how white supremacist schooling is in the west i didnt know this until this thread pointed it out just now lmao If anything, technologically speaking both the West and East were also relatively on equal terms technologically as well until around the mid-17th century. The major advantage for the West was that it started adopting flintlock firearms and the Ming Dynasty didn't (they knew about them but didn't see them as a worthy investment). If anything it was the post-Napoleonic era: accelerated enclosure and early industrialization that gave the British specifically an overwhelming advantage. The West obviously did get an advantage but it wasn't as far back as a lot of people think it was. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 20:53 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 20:48
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Ardennes posted:If anything, technologically speaking both the West and East were also relatively on equal terms technologically as well until around the mid-17th century. The major advantage for the West was that it started adopting flintlock firearms and the Ming Dynasty didn't (they knew about them but didn't see them as a worthy investment). The west held a decisive advantage in seamanship which is why they were able to dominate africa in that period.
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May 7, 2021 20:52
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Ardennes posted:If anything, technologically speaking both the West and East were also relatively on equal terms technologically as well until around the mid-17th century. The major advantage for the West was that it started adopting flintlock firearms and the Ming Dynasty didn't (they knew about them but didn't see them as a worthy investment). the west gained its advantage from colonialism not technology
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May 7, 2021 20:55
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The turning point was the West figured out scientific method and better physics/math first. Also reached the American continents first, which gave early capitalism a huge boost. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 21:00 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 20:55
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Stairmaster posted:The west held a decisive advantage in seamanship which is why they were able to dominate africa in that period. no they didn't https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_treasure_voyages
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May 7, 2021 20:57
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The Western powers (Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, British, French) were mostly seen by Eurasian land powers as a nuisance at worst and a useful tool towards settling continental disputes. Piracy and expropriation on a global scale, combined with constant fighting, enabled the accumulation of capital and financing mechanisms to give the West a decisive organizational advantage. It's useful to remember that one of the reasons the British won the opium wars was the Mysorean rocket, which they took from the Indians.
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May 7, 2021 20:59
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Rutibex posted:the west gained its advantage from colonialism not technology It's this. Europeans wanted to conquer and settle and enslave, extracting wealth and resources all along the way. The Chinese did not. Whenever modern westerners assume that China or any other non-western nation state will engage in western-style imperialism in the absence of American or western hegemony is settler colonial thinking.
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May 7, 2021 21:01
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wait until this thread discovers the relationship between western colonialism, china, and the global silver trade lol
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May 7, 2021 21:04
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It is hard to separate colonialism and technology, specifically since the British so heavily invested in its navy in order to protect its colonial holdings in the first place.
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May 7, 2021 21:16
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fart simpson posted:i just started going through and reading the china gbs thread in early february 2020, and lol the posters there were calling quarantine centers "concentration camps" My wife and kids were in China at the time and and we have friends who live in Wuhan so I was hate-reading those threads and getting especially annoyed at the amount of people who took Prester Jane seriously. Prester Jane posted:Ordinarily I would dismiss the idea that the UN would ever publicly admit that China just oopsied and accidentally released some kind of biological agent, but I actually expect that to happen in this case. You know why? Prester Jane posted:Imo its probably more likely that the CCP simply collapses at some point. They are basically wasting what time/resources/manpower they have on futile gestures that are ultimately just spreading the virus even further. The onus is spreading amongst everyone, the doctors and nurses, the police, the local party officials, no one is safe or immune.
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May 7, 2021 23:46
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Hedenius posted:My wife and kids were in China at the time and and we have friends who live in Wuhan so I was hate-reading those threads and getting especially annoyed at the amount of people who took Prester Jane seriously. what the gently caress hahahahahahahahahahaha
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May 7, 2021 23:48
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9X_gxD9YYg
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May 7, 2021 23:54
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Hedenius posted:My wife and kids were in China at the time and and we have friends who live in Wuhan so I was hate-reading those threads and getting especially annoyed at the amount of people who took Prester Jane seriously. lmfao wtf
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May 7, 2021 23:56
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Hedenius posted:My wife and kids were in China at the time and and we have friends who live in Wuhan so I was hate-reading those threads and getting especially annoyed at the amount of people who took Prester Jane seriously. lmao
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May 8, 2021 00:07
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Hedenius posted:My wife and kids were in China at the time and and we have friends who live in Wuhan so I was hate-reading those threads and getting especially annoyed at the amount of people who took Prester Jane seriously. My personal funny Covid story. My folks were in GZ when China Flu hit in Jan, so all oversea Chinese were scrambling to buy n95 masks and mailed them back. I didn't do it but as soon as Taobao restocked, probably around the time the 2 temp hospitals were built, I order 2 packs and mail them over. I remember they didn't advertised them as "medical" masks cause they probably didn't have any certification. By the time the masks were delivered a few days later, the Chinese manufacturing had already hit high gears and it was very easy to buy masks from B&M stores. So my folks just took the 2 packs I mailed, plus 3x more masks and mail them to New York. And I got them around mid March when Amazon/Homedepot were completely out of masks.
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May 8, 2021 00:11
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Hedenius posted:My wife and kids were in China at the time and and we have friends who live in Wuhan so I was hate-reading those threads and getting especially annoyed at the amount of people who took Prester Jane seriously. lol
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May 8, 2021 01:47
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Hedenius posted:My wife and kids were in China at the time and and we have friends who live in Wuhan so I was hate-reading those threads and getting especially annoyed at the amount of people who took Prester Jane seriously. People dramatically leaving for BnR and then coming back a week later will never stop being a hilarious bit.
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