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thrashingteeth posted:My internet experience today is alternating between seeing horny posting about the big tiddy large body vampire lady and Hartlepool takes. Big Tiddy Vampire Giant for Labour Leader IMO.
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https://twitter.com/gemmacdoyle/status/1390685738195464192 The problem is we spend too much time fighting the hard left. To remedy this we need to fight the hard left even more.
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May 8, 2021 10:49
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now.
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Azza Bamboo posted:That footballers earn so much is an outcome of the commodification of human labour. In the highly competitive world of football, only a rare kind of human can produce top quality ticket sales and merchandise sales. Their scarcity, combined with the glut of teams that would want them, causes a bidding war. I thought Perez was hilarious during the ESL stuff assertig that players' quality would drop if wages did. As if world class footballers would all go and work at MacDonalds if they could only earn £1 million a year playing for Real. What he means of course is that his shareholders wouldn't be pleased if Real were competing in a fairer market, or you know, not spending tens of millions they don't have.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/gemmacdoyle/status/1390685738195464192 Look, if the left would stop fighting back they wouldn't have this problem! Think about it from their point of view.
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The thing you have to remember is that Starmer isn't actually the leader of the Labour Party. Sure, he's the "Leader", but he's just the chosen figurehead for the bloc that Blair first assembled, and it's them that are the actual power. They'll use him as a heatshield for as long as they can, then slide another placeholder in once they've got him to mumble something about ensuring unity by making Leader a role appointed by the NEC rather than elected. Concentrating on getting rid of him misses the point entirely, the real prize is ensuring that a socialist can never hold anything more than a token amount of power in the party ever again, and that's what we need to keep an eye out for.
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now. ->shad cab reshuffle getting rid of the invisibles. this does nothing as invisible cuts both ways. didn't contribute positively but probably weren't responsible for the negatives either ->cranking out a hundred more puff pieces in the telegraph and mail about how starmer is listening and learning and how he values your values and also wants your change ->rats in a sack infighting between the exciting new fronts that have just opened up in the labour civil war; previously this was those inside the Starmer tent versus those outside (the left), now it's starmer ultra-loyalists v those who believe in him but not the programme, v those who believe in the programme but not him, with the left running around pouring petrol on everything -> narrow defeat in the batley and spen by-election ->leadership challenge from the senior figures in the party in seats that closely resemble batley and spen that bbc interview is pure dead man walking energy tbh. the party is broke, he's permanently sundered his ability to fund raise off the grassroots, len is twisting the knife with "feel free to call me anytime (and listen to demands if you want union money ever again)", and his rich donors have him on a tight leash for what they'll accept policy-wise. that is a leader whose gamble has not paid off and who can see the walls coming in the paul waugh article is hilarious also for the constant callbacks to 'why can't the public see his private warmth and intellect that we all privately know and love' it's pure pushy parents not understanding why their lovely brat isn't doing well at school , 'i've always blamed that school you know, they've never seen the potential in our keir' in summary ahahahahahah Rustybear fucked around with this message at 11:42 on May 8, 2021 |
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May 8, 2021 11:39
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/gemmacdoyle/status/1390685738195464192 what is she actually advocating here? people who disagree with me shouldn't be able to challenge me? err ok? what these people want more than anything is not to have to do their jobs
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Rustybear posted:what is she actually advocating here? people who disagree with me shouldn't be able to challenge me? err ok? https://twitter.com/gemmacdoyle/status/1390811802850766849 I think she might just be incredibly stupid, op.
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their definition of hard left is mild social democracy, if you want to nationalise public services and infrastructure then you're basically a Leninist and need to be kept out at all costs obviously you should continue to fund and vote for the party which hates you and your insane communist belief in like maybe doing something for people, but you should not expect any concessions in return
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Concentrating on getting rid of him misses the point entirely, the real prize is ensuring that a socialist can never hold anything more than a token amount of power in the party ever again, and that's what we need to keep an eye out for. Labour’s obviously on the decline. Take over the Greens and purge the TERFy transphobes in time for the next GE.
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I guess Pasokification is like bankruptcy - it happens gradually, then suddenly. I can imagine a Labour Party that shrinks down to 20% of the vote but staggers on for many years, all the time insisting that they're the true party of opposition and that things are about to turn around with their latest relaunch.
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May 8, 2021 12:02
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TACD posted:This is fine IMO, the idea of a socialist Labour Party is a total mirage and one that everybody should have given up on as soon as it became clear how much of the party was trying to bring Corbyn down. Agreed. Is there a momentum equivalent for the greens?
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I don't really buy the idea of "just take over another party or start your own" as both seem to gloss over the incredible logistical difficulty of doing that with zero organizational ability (because if you had organizational ability you would already have a de-facto party) and also that all of the other parties are even more institutionally hostile to left wing politics than labour is.
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It doesn't feel like that long since the papers were talking about Boris self destructing over Covid and Starmer being the PM in waiting. Lol at labour straight up vivisecting themselves as a party due to sensible centrist leadership I guess
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May 8, 2021 12:12
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Unionise with both a mainstream and radical union, get involved in local mutual aid, get into dual power structures. Electoralism will be useful to keep an eye on to try and keep those who'd clamp down the hardest on such efforts out but anyone who believes that any sort of left-wing government is going to be achieved, optimistically, in the next 20-30 years through an election is deluded imo. I'm not saying it's impossible for it to ever happen, nothing's impossible, but by the time it happens we'll already be turbofucked and it'll still be some milquetoast Corbynite bullshit, not an actual radical system changing new regime.
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May 8, 2021 12:14
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I just want to take care of animals really. If there was an RSPCA party I'd join them.
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May 8, 2021 12:23
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Wait, Kieth's nationwide pub crawl didn't work?!? I thought he came off as a completely relatable bloke who loves a few swift ones with the lads. https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1390990068693798912
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Kier doesn't have any rich donors. Blair did because he was either in power, or obviously the rising star and PM in waiting. Kier just looks weak and vulnerable- why waste money on donating to him if he can't get you any power as a reward.
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Gonzo McFee posted:This all relies on the people in power recognising reality and they don't want to do that. Gonzo McFee posted:They're just going to keep hammering that Corbyn was the problem until people accept it through just hearing it so often repeated. I'm sure there are some ideologues who really think that, but it won't be everyone at the top of the party and definitely not the whole PLP. People in seats similar to Hartlepool will be poo poo-scared of losing them at the next election. Plus the party is going broke which means the gravy train is looking increasingly shaky even if they only want to remain in opposition. The line that it's all Corbyn's fault doesn't stand up to the most basic scrutiny and they will know that. It's not even going down that well with the media. https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1390987820685275137 I can't help but imagine that when that journalist says the "policy review" might just be a fabrication to keep the left at bay it's because his source told him that's exactly what it is. You also have to remember that Corbyn's unpopularity is majorly exaggerated by the media. They will tell you that he's is the most hated man in Britain but it's not actually true, a big chunk of the population liked him and voted for him and constantly blaming him for Starmer's problems isn't going to win that group around. End of the day, when Corbyn lost at least his supporters could console themselves that they fought on a manifesto they believed in. Most of Starmer's backers in the PLP and elsewhere believe in nothing other than 'electability', so the idea that they sacrificed all their principles, said only what they thought people wanted to hear and still got crushed way worse than Corbyn must sting. It doesn't just mean their ideas aren't popular because they don't have any, it means they're incompetent at the one thing they moulded their entire life around. jabby fucked around with this message at 12:37 on May 8, 2021 |
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now. The socialist campaign would struggle to conscience a split from a cause this old. They'll likely remain a Labour party. Though compromised, Labour is not itself the enemy. I do not say that as a call to support this compromised and Starmer-Ridden party. I say that as a warning. Wherever the left takes its loyalty, it will face the enemy. A leader of the Greens is likely to garner the loathing of the Guardian, unless they support a status quo, and are "sensible", and so on. Any party promising hope for people will be punished by our presses. The forces that formed a border in Labour can do it elsewhere, as it has done to our nation, and to discourse across the world.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1390983452577599500?s=19 What a pathetic little man. Too busy applauding the government for the hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths to do your loving job were you?
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1390983452577599500?s=19 Guys he had Covid in his eye, you have to give him a do-over
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Leader of political party did not engage in party politics, says person who imagines this is a good thing.
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Keith yesterday: I'm not making excuses Keith today: the virus ate my policies
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Kier doesn't have any rich donors. Blair did because he was either in power, or obviously the rising star and PM in waiting. Kier just looks weak and vulnerable- why waste money on donating to him if he can't get you any power as a reward. This article from December details this: quote:However, despite Sir Keir’s determination to reduce Labour’s reliance on the trade unions, figures show that 90 per cent of Labour’s income, excluding taxpayer funding and membership fees, has come from them since he was elected. Big donors gave a lot more than that during his leadership bid that, creepy poster he sent to everyone during his leadership bid probably cost more than they've donated since. I'm sure there's no reason why these people wanted him to be leader, but don't actually want to support him now he's leader.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1390983452577599500?s=19 Yeah crises are famously not the time for big thinking and pushing new policies Theyr so incompetent lol its awesome
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May 8, 2021 12:55
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/gemmacdoyle/status/1390685738195464192 I love this poo poo coz they did end the infighting. they purged the left and this election is partly the result of that
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Kier Starmer would like you to know he did not lose at Mario Kart, in fact it was his little brother playing and also the controller was broken.
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May 8, 2021 12:58
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Kieth : The story of the loosest stool in the punch bowl
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Communist Thoughts posted:I love this poo poo coz they did end the infighting. they purged the left and this election is partly the result of that It's blaming the horse in Animal Farm all over again
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Communist Thoughts posted:I love this poo poo coz they did end the infighting. they purged the left and this election is partly the result of that It is always, always projection
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1390983452577599500?s=19 Sure they didn't accidentally autocorrect Covid from Corbyn?
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1390983452577599500?s=19
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Corbyn famously was unable to articulate alternatives successfully in times of crisis, such as terror attacks or the grenfell fire.
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That was PLAYING PARTY POLITICS though, which is bad Doing good things that people like is cheating
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I had my covid shot this morning. I have stocked up on tins of soup and am waiting. 
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