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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Someone asked if any labour politician would mention the attacks on Al Aqsa mosque by the IDF yesterday - Zarah Sultana has on FB. she’s gonna get ejected from the party for antisemitism watch
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say it with me now pasokification
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peanut- posted:lol lol I look forward to not voting for Keith many times in the future
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serious gaylord posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57036247 These trains are turning into the rolling stock equivalent of the oft-cursed F-35. They were planned to be all-electric, then Grayling shitcanned national electrification so they had to be adapted to bi-mode. It's a miracle he didn't insist on vertical takeoff being added to the spec as well. When they finally got brought into service, basically every long distance train operator has gone in heavy on them because it's the only new train to make it into service for years. An empty one did a really weird derailment in Leeds a few months ago during a 5mph collision because the train sets are too axially stiff to absorb energy in low speed collisions. Everyone's worried because in a 5mph crash the train really shoud stay on the rails. Now this. It's not just that they'll have to check every car and then away we go. Fatigue cracks grow with time and you need ongoing monitoring to ensure they don't reach the critical length that causes sudden failure. Most situations (bridges, or jet turbine blades for example) are understood enough that you know the speed of crack growth in service and you plan inspections so that a crack can't form and go critical without being detected. Right now, nobody will have any idea how long the cracks have been growing or why. Or what the critical length is. So you have to watch them all the drat time until you understand those things, and then come up with a maintenance plan. That's easy on a bridge because it stays in one place and you can put loads of gauges on it. It's easy on a turbine blade because you stick it in a waggling machine in the lab and drink tea until it snaps. A whole train carriage is a bit awkward. Services on the WCML, ECML, East Midlands, Transpennine, Thameslink and GWR are affected, so this is going to be a big capacity constraint for some time.
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https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1391090666785103872?s=21 For context: https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1390419803056320515?s=21 Chapman is Starmer's chief policy advisor and was previously the head of his leadership campaign. She picked Saudi Paul for Hartlepool, and was heavily involved in the campaign there.
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peanut- posted:lol Taking anywhere between a year and a half to two years to come up with an idea for policy sounds like a loving parody of left wing politics, christ.
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They fired loving Angela ahahahahahahaha useless pricks. Edit: https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1391092169721753600?s=19
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https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1391092169721753600?s=21 Sienna usually prides herself on being a neutral, objective reporter of stories from within the Labour Party with no particular factional loyalty, so seeing her chewing out the leader of the party this hard is incredibly unusual.
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Even the loving arch-centrists are laughing at the guy https://twitter.com/StigAbell/status/1391092138990051329
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peanut- posted:Even the loving arch-centrists are laughing at the guy Lmao the fact that guy can market himself as a centrist after being the editor for the loving Sun shows how hollow the term is.
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peanut- posted:lol lol they haven't got a loving clue.
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peanut- posted:lol Surely this time, if I build a 1997 out of branches and vines, the voters will come flocking back
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1391091190288818176 https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1390989195544510467 Lol, he's hosed it, he's absolutely loving hosed it.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1391093185066188805?s=21 Please say she actually said that. 
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RLB/Rayner commiseration drinks incoming e: Do they still share a flat in London? Maybe not after the past year tbf.
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No sympathy for Angela, you throw your lot in with snakes you're going to get bit.
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stev posted:Please say she actually said that. Rodgers is a proper journalist. That's a direct quote.
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Endjinneer posted:These trains are turning into the rolling stock equivalent of the oft-cursed F-35. They were planned to be all-electric, then Grayling shitcanned national electrification so they had to be adapted to bi-mode. It's a miracle he didn't insist on vertical takeoff being added to the spec as well. When they finally got brought into service, basically every long distance train operator has gone in heavy on them because it's the only new train to make it into service for years. Are the class 43s still functioning? Could they be dug out of storage if needed?
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Dabir posted:imo rich people who work anyway aren't really working class because they don't have to sell their labour to survive, they have enough money already. Also in the modern world 95+% of these people will have invested in property also. Part of the issue I think is that it's difficult to have a particularly rigid definition of class. I've not actually read Marx directly (or much actual theory really) though I know I've absorbed some of it tangentially, but the way I see it in present times you've got: 1: People who are unemployed/unemployable, some of whom will be due to disability etc. and some of whom because of their circumstances - e.g. marginalised and disadvantaged people like travellers (note I am not saying that travellers are unable to hold work or anything like that, but they are discriminated against and it's difficult for them to have the same opportunities for good, secure work as others). 1.1: People who are employed in insecure or insufficient work. Zero hours or low hours contracts, or could be working full time on minimum wage (or close to it) and still struggling. Likely working for lovely bosses with little choice about leaving the job. 1.5: People who are employed in more secure work but would still be mostly hosed after a few months if they lost it. 2: People employed in moderate-to-well-paid, more secure jobs who probably have enough wealth in assets and savings and/or dual incomes or familial wealth and connections etc. such that they don't need to be worried about losing their work for a time, or could just quit tomorrow and never work again. This includes moderate-to-high-earning professionals and the managerial class but also likely includes footballers and entertainers/comedians etc. and your Guardian journalists. 3: People who own small businesses and profit from the labour of others, but still have to also work themselves. The sort of people who own and run small firms in the building trades and employ <5 people. I knew several people like this when I was working at the conservatory/window/door places. Somebody like a window fitter who employs two other blokes and a "lad" to help them shift things about on site. Could also be e.g. somebody who runs a small catering or gardening business or something like that. People who own property and profit from the labour of others but also have to work to get by. 4: People who either (4.1) earn passive income through owning property or business that's likely enough to get by on or (4.2) have a family pile such that they never really had to worry about working. They might also work anyway as MD of their business but it's likely an office job rather than being out on a building site, but they could probably just hire a manager to do it and step away from it all and live reasonably comfortably. Or they might work as a kind of "hobby" job which they don't need. Maybe they're a documentary-maker or a musician or a journalist or comic. 4.3: People who earn large businesses or multiple properties or have a large enough pension and own their houses such that they don't have to ever worry about working again. 5: The literal aristocracy and the mega-rich who wield large amounts of power through wealth and/or connections. The Elite. So generally you've got 1: Insecure working class. People who are just hosed or at the very least have no real security. Absolutely let down by the system, likely through no or little fault of their own. I believe we've started calling this the "Precariat". 2: Secure working class. 3: Middle class/managerial class. Petite Bourgeoisie. 4: Full on capitalist class, bourgeoisie. 5: Ruling class/The Elite. And people within these groupings should *broadly* share interests with one another. I don't know how closely this maps with Marxist analysis but the point I'm making is that you may have noticed some issues here if you try to use these as *rigid* definitions of class. People can go from being born into a class 1 or 1.5 family right up to a 5 (Alan Sugar) through some sort of success with business. However because they're caught up in "traditional social class" analysis which is all about how you speak and where you lived, these people still think of themselves as, at heart, "working class" even though their interests are now *wildly* different to people still in the group 1 or 1.5. There is crossover between the classes and importantly differences in the way people see themselves. People in group 1.1 are much closer to people in group 1 than group 2 in terms of their class interests,, but may see themselves as distinct from group 1, and see those people as somehow beneath them. People in group 1.5 are closer to group 1 but *may see themselves* as aspirationally being closer to people in group 2 or even 3 or 4. Part of it is also a "I'm not like those benefit scroungers, I work hard!" kind of mentality. Group 5 is way off on their own but people in group 4 will nevertheless find themselves stanning group 5s because they aspire to be one of them and they distinguish themselves from people in groups 1-2. Let alone people in all groups coming out to stan for literal billionaires like Elon Musk for some bizarre loving reason. People who are materially in group 2 and even 3 may ideologically be on the side of people in group 1 or group 5 depending on their views (though it's less likely that the landlord type is sympathetic to the group 1s than the small business-owner type IMO because landlording is more inherently exploitative than owning a small business with a few employees - you may disagree). Even people in group 4 with familial wealth can be ideologically on the side of people in group 1, fighting for social justice etc... though it is rare for that to genuinely be the case. Jeremy Corbyn went to a private prep school and clearly had some measure of a privileged upbringing but that doesn't mean he's not genuinely on the side of the disadvantaged. Of course this requires acting outside of one's own interests which is a good thing when people in higher groups do it and a bad thing when people in lower groups do it, and sadly it's much more common for the working classes to do it, largely because they don't understand this material analysis. Somebody like a footballer, depending on how successful they are, could be anywhere from group 1.5 to group 5. They may also be from a familial background of anywhere from group 1 to group 5 but that just does not compute for most people. Realistically many people in group 2 will invest in property at some point but won't consider that as changing their class at all, even as they might move up to group 4. They'll say stuff like "Well I don't really make any money from my rental!". You've also got issues around people thinking of things in "old" terms like "working class" where the signifiers for that used to be if you worked in an office or not. Now office jobs are the norm, there are fewer hands-on jobs because many of them have been shipped to China, and many of those that remain here likely do so because they are actually quite or very skilled or require someone to physically be here to do them. Builders for example, somebody like a bricky used to be your salt-of-the-earth working class type but as homes have gotten more complicated due to tastes and regulations and modern methods/innovation it's become a much more skilled job, and so your average person working on a building site is now earning better and likely much closer to group 3 than they ever have been. Similarly office jobs have become *less* skilled due to computers becoming so ubiquitous among other things, so somebody working in an "office" might actually be doing data entry in a call centre for minimum wage. And I think most importantly people who are in the category of being retired, owning their own home and having a large enough pension to live a comfortable life, whose material interests are aligned more with the medium to large business owners and multiple landlords of group 4, most often still see themselves as being the same as groups 1.5-3 because that's what they were in when they were working. And because there are so many of the fuckers this has an *enormous* impact on the country's politics. And those who come from some kind of moderate to large familial wealth or status are most likely to still subscribe to and *push on others* the tenets of the traditional British social class system, combined with the fact that so many of our journalists are from this class, leads to where you are today. If you're from familial wealth and maybe went to a private school, it's still useful for you to be able to distinguish between people based on whether they speak properly or use the right fork or drink coffee or whatever the gently caress bullshit class signifiers you want to use... and they push all of this on the rest of us. So it becomes easier for people to focus on all of that bullshit rather than thinking about any kind of *material analysis* which is much more useful for figuring out balances of power and influence. In fact it's actually *advantageous* for the right-wing hegemony to deflect from material analysis by muddying the waters with "social class" stuff like whether you eat avocado or quinoa or poo poo, because if people actually started thinking about things in terms of their shared material interests, all these corrupt Tories and libs at the top would get absolutely hosed by a revolution.
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1391091190288818176 loving  What a week this is turning out to be.
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I never conceived that the collapse of the Labour party could be so entertaining.
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Hope everyone's excited to see more of Wes Streeting! https://twitter.com/EleniCourea/status/1390972586335608833
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A decision so bad Dan Hodges was forced to make a good tweet https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1391093006661476356
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“Having shat the bed, I am now going to swing the lovely sheet around”
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Lmao Labour are a waste.
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