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Dapper_Swindler posted:didnt he come up with most of that poo poo before he got his body started failing? also i love when "pro life" chuds loving HATE physically disabled folks. No... he actually said that he thought he might not have amounted to much if not for his condition. He said he kind of goofed around and put things off but when he thought he was going to die soon he started working really hard.
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May 8, 2021 22:40
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quote:I’d never seen a PWD outside dog shows, until Uhbama invested in one for his image. Those liberals, always buying the things that their leaders have! Anyway I need to head to the store to go buy some more Goya beans and MyPillows. quote:Yes, that was my *immediate* thought as well. It's gotta be, since BidAn is just an actor, and any dogs on the scene gotta be canine actors as well. I love it, just absolute insanity. quote:I just can’t picture Barry Hussein being kind, and loving to a fur pet....because with Barry it is always about HIM.... Trump didn't have a pet for literally this reason! The projection is loving incredible.
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May 8, 2021 22:48
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The man behind the power of the modern GOP: Trump lost, and pretending the game was rigged is depressing conservative turnout, we're gonna lose the next election hard if we don't fix this problem The voters that make up the modern GOP:  SHUT UP COMMUNIST, FIND THOSE ARIZONA BALLOTS OR GET OUT OF OUR WAY
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May 8, 2021 22:49
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DarklyDreaming posted:The man behind the power of the modern GOP: Trump lost, and pretending the game was rigged is depressing conservative turnout, we're gonna lose the next election hard if we don't fix this problem yeah, basicaly to win hard, the GOP needs to move to center and make actual compromises and drop the hardline trump poo poo and a bunch of social bullshit. that would probably bring the suburbs and moderates back into play. they won't. so we will see what happens.
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May 8, 2021 22:52
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, basicaly to win hard, the GOP needs to move to center and make actual compromises and drop the hardline trump poo poo and a bunch of social bullshit. that would probably bring the suburbs and moderates back into play. they won't. so we will see what happens. I think the current GOP calculus is that there are way too many hardcore trump chuds left and they have a better shot if trump runs again and the 'moderate' chuds wash their hands of showing up to pull the R level yet again.
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May 9, 2021 00:28
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Also the GOP is going all in on a white welfare state so why pivot and appeal to the lesser races when you can just make it illegal for them to vote democrat?
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May 9, 2021 00:58
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It should also be noted that while Biden won, Trump still managed to get the second most votes of any presidential candidate in history, so I sort of feel like the claims that the GOP is a dying party or that they can't win without going more moderate are maybe exaggerated a bit. Especially since the Republicans have decided that voter suppression and giving more power to state legislatures to manipulate election results will work out great for them. We'll know in a year and a half, I guess.
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May 9, 2021 01:32
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May 9, 2021 03:03
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Twelve by Pies posted:It should also be noted that while Biden won, Trump still managed to get the second most votes of any presidential candidate in history, so I sort of feel like the claims that the GOP is a dying party or that they can't win without going more moderate are maybe exaggerated a bit. Especially since the Republicans have decided that voter suppression and giving more power to state legislatures to manipulate election results will work out great for them. We'll know in a year and a half, I guess. This is pretty lazy analysis. The number of potential voters has gone up in like every election, and the turnout was incredibly high in 2020. Regular republicans inspire far less passion than trump. I’m not saying the GOP is finished but their killing their own supporters in job lots right now, they’re going to really have to suppress the vote to win.
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May 9, 2021 06:32
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pseudanonymous posted:This is pretty lazy analysis. The number of potential voters has gone up in like every election, and the turnout was incredibly high in 2020. Regular republicans inspire far less passion than trump. I’m not saying the GOP is finished but their killing their own supporters in job lots right now, they’re going to really have to suppress the vote to win. Turnout was greatest in 60 years, and during that time voting age population has grown almost 2.5 fold from 109 million to 257 million. Also both parties' spending in 2020 elections was something like never seen before, final figure was over 14 billion USD. With nearly three times total campaign budget compared to 2016 you also do expect turnout % to increase somewhat, even if a lot of it goes to negative campaigning which is supposed to have the opposite effect. 
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May 9, 2021 12:47
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, basicaly to win hard, the GOP needs to move to center and make actual compromises and drop the hardline trump poo poo and a bunch of social bullshit. that would probably bring the suburbs and moderates back into play. they won't. so we will see what happens. If they dropped the other poo poo and just ran hard on cutting taxes and being deficit hawks they'd win every suburban vote in America.
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May 9, 2021 12:50
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Zeroisanumber posted:If they dropped the other poo poo and just ran hard on cutting taxes and being deficit hawks they'd win every suburban vote in America. But then you run into the problem where they make the mouth noises and then have a totally different legislative priority in office. While it's possible american stomach for hypocrisy has no bounds, I'd like to think it's got some ultimate bounding condition.
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May 9, 2021 16:45
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Zeroisanumber posted:If they dropped the other poo poo and just ran hard on cutting taxes and being deficit hawks they'd win every suburban vote in America. The fundamental problem with the GOP is that people who would consider doing this don't generally win GOP primaries any more, and certainly not Presidential ones in the wake of Trump.
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May 9, 2021 19:29
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Scratch Monkey posted:Hahah... "Stephen Hawking was just a charity case who got famous because of his disability" is a new, very hot take for me To give freepers their due, I've heard similar things re: Hawking from physics talking heads (although less insane). Hawking was a very talented and accomplished physicist who did meaningful and groundbreaking work, but he's not anywhere near making the G.O.A.T. list of math dudes who dress like there's been a flood recently. A lot of his public fame outside of the physics world was due to him having a historic position at Cambridge, being a pioneer for disabled people with augmented communication requirements, and in particular in being able to write and communicate to a lay audience in a way that a lot of able-bodied physicists wouldn't have a hope in hell with. Of course, that doesn't make it any less stupid to write off a published paper on the basis of, "well, he's not Niels Bohr, now, is he?", because that's not how science works, that's not how science works at all
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May 9, 2021 19:50
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FullLeatherJacket posted:To give freepers their due, I've heard similar things re: Hawking from physics talking heads (although less insane). Hawking was a very talented and accomplished physicist who did meaningful and groundbreaking work, but he's not anywhere near making the G.O.A.T. list of math dudes who dress like there's been a flood recently. A lot of his public fame outside of the physics world was due to him having a historic position at Cambridge, being a pioneer for disabled people with augmented communication requirements, and in particular in being able to write and communicate to a lay audience in a way that a lot of able-bodied physicists wouldn't have a hope in hell with. yeah. that sounds about right. he is able to explains super complex poo poo to non-science/math brains like me. much like bill nye and neil degrass tyson. like they arnt the biggest brain heavy hitters but they can talk in small words, so most people know them.
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May 9, 2021 22:26
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Zeroisanumber posted:If they dropped the other poo poo and just ran hard on cutting taxes and being deficit hawks they'd win every suburban vote in America. doubt it, that was Romney's strategy and he got annihilated E: well I guess it's possible Romney won every suburban vote in America, idk, but if he did it obviously isn't enough to win because he lost hard
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[Senator Bill] Cassidy [R-LA]: For GOP to Win in 2022, We Need ‘Folks that Agree with Liz Cheney’ Holy gently caress that's an  quote:To: MarvinStinson quote:To: MarvinStinson quote:To: Pikachu_Dad  quote:To: dynachrome
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May 10, 2021 03:33
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VitalSigns posted:doubt it, that was Romney's strategy and he got annihilated I think we as left wingers tend to underestimate the damage his Mormonism did with the right wing demographic. But I don’t fully disagree with you.
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May 10, 2021 04:57
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, basicaly to win hard, the GOP needs to move to center and make actual compromises and drop the hardline trump poo poo and a bunch of social bullshit. that would probably bring the suburbs and moderates back into play. they won't. so we will see what happens. They've already gone all-in on voter suppression as their main strategy for the future. And they have the supreme court so it may be a winning one.
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May 10, 2021 06:08
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The Lone Badger posted:They've already gone all-in on voter suppression as their main strategy for the future. And they have the supreme court so it may be a winning one. Every time the GOP loses people tell them that in order to win more votes, they need to chillax and moderate. Every time they react by getting worse and trying to make ways to win without getting more votes.
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May 10, 2021 06:46
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Becoming more moderate becomes gets you desttoyed in primaries. The only way for a specific person to get in is to be more extreme than their primary opponent, then find a way to not have to deal with the popular vote.
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May 10, 2021 07:32
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"Liberals Are Baby Killers" lmfao How long before freep concludes that Ronald Reagan was a dastardly RINO?
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May 10, 2021 12:06
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:"Liberals Are Baby Killers" lmfao i meannn.... quote:To: Pikachu_Dad this goes back to 1976
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aBagorn posted:i meannn.... A significant number of freepers are stuck in 1980 so she might mean 1935 when she says "the last 45 years" quote:To: dynachrome wants or perhaps deserves if you listen to their leadership 
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May 10, 2021 14:02
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:The fundamental problem with the GOP is that people who would consider doing this don't generally win GOP primaries any more, and certainly not Presidential ones in the wake of Trump. Also, my understanding is that the GOP banged that drum as hard as they can since Reagan, to the point that by Bush II what it actually meant was increasing the deficit in order to give minor tax cuts I'd suspect that there's a point of diminishing returns, where the average suburbanite likes the idea of "LOW TAX IS MY MIDDLE NAME" for obvious reasons, but they don't actually want to live in a Libertarian Bear Town where you have to educate your own horrid children all day
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May 10, 2021 14:29
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Re: election strategy, the GOP can absolutely still easily win national elections. They control most state legislatures during the re-districting process so they can draw themselves favorable maps, they're going all-in on voter suppression, and if neither of those work, they've already set the stage (and laws in a few cases) for arguing that state legislatures get veto power over results they don't like. 2024 is basically guaranteed to be a test run of, "we win if we say we do and we lose only if we agree to".
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May 10, 2021 14:55
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Yup, Republicans have been consolidating power for decades. In the long term our centuries old political system favors land instead of popular consensus, and this was explicitly by design. As much as Republicans talk about freedom and demonize China what they really want is one party rule (just look at the redstate.com logo of an all Republican map of the US), no accountability for their mismanagement of government (Trump 'aint going to jail lol), and the wealth and power that comes with being a member of the political elite (Ted Cruz jetting off to Mexico during a pandemic, blaming his kids, and then having chuds breathlessly defend him). You can see this radicalization plain as day with the new round of crazies coming in to office like Marjorie Taylor Green. There is absolutely zero penalties to their electability to trend towards militant white supremacy, and Trump showed that it is incredibly popular with the Republican voters that are sticking with the party after that hot mess. Freepers feed into this by rooting for their team which helps maintain the racial pecking order that means they're at least better than The Other, even though their lives may be poo poo because of the utter incompetence of the leaders they'll crawl over broken glass to elect.
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Captain Monkey posted:I think we as left wingers tend to underestimate the damage his Mormonism did with the right wing demographic. But I don’t fully disagree with you. I would have agreed prior to 2015 but I have a hard time believing this made the slightest bit of difference. One thing evangelicals have shown us is that they have zero real beliefs outside of managing their own power, and I don't think you would find many who would say that Obama's Christianity was better for them than Romney's Mormonism. I suppose there could have been an enthusiasm effect though. Honestly I think Romney's rapacious capitalism might have been the bigger drag, based on what's happened the last few years.
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May 11, 2021 07:13
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pthighs posted:I would have agreed prior to 2015 but I have a hard time believing this made the slightest bit of difference. One thing evangelicals have shown us is that they have zero real beliefs outside of managing their own power, and I don't think you would find many who would say that Obama's Christianity was better for them than Romney's Mormonism. I suppose there could have been an enthusiasm effect though. What in the last few years has caused you to believe that Romney's rapacious capitalism was a drag on him among Republican voters? Because it sure wasn't anything related to the Trump Presidency.
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May 11, 2021 07:19
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Rhetorically trump was probably a bit less pro capitalism than previous offerings. He leaned far more into pure nationalism including what might border on protectionism if he were more competent. As evidenced by his frequent complaints about various free trade initiatives. They will never actually be anti-capitalist but I think the jingoistic populism is quite appealing to a lot of people.
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May 11, 2021 07:23
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OwlFancier posted:Rhetorically trump was probably a bit less pro capitalism than previous offerings. He leaned far more into pure nationalism including what might border on protectionism if he were more competent. As evidenced by his frequent complaints about various free trade initiatives. Thinking that Republican voters interpreted protectionism and anti-free-trade rhetoric as less-pro-capitalist is facially wrong. They don't know or care about how capitalism actually works, they just assume literally anything that makes it turn against them is the fault of communism, people of color, liberal elitist conspiracies, the jews, or themselves for not working hard enough if somehow all of the above can be disproved. A vote for Trump was in their minds a vote for an even more rapacious form of capitalism than the world has ever seen because they honestly believe that the world system was set up to leech America dry at the expense of its "middle class," and/or whatever jobs in the blue-collar sector they consider to be "real jobs," based on bullshit historical romanticism. Trump constantly gave speeches about extorting money from allied countries for "services," America provides them, stopping "cheaters," who were screwing over America, and being "open for business," as if the Democrats and RINOs had been doing something to sabotage the American economy. They literally wanted more capitalism than even Ronald Reagan gave them. After all, Trump's a Business Man who's gonna Run It Like A Business.
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There is a difference between someone who says that everyone should be threatened by capitalism equally, and someone who says that capitalism should be inflicted on others for the enrichment of the nation. That idea has a pedigree going back at least to the nazis, and there is a reason why the phrase "antisemitism is the socialism of fools" exists. It is quite common for the right to co-opt anticapitalist messaging by portraying themselves as standing up for the country in the face of nationless elites beholden only to money, while at exactly the same time working to extort both their and other countries for the enrichment of themselves and their friends. Yes, people do not have rigorous conceptions of what capitalism is, but they understand enough to dislike the idea that they should be threatened by it, and many of them turn to nationalism out of the belief that it could/would protect them from it.
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Sanguinia posted:Thinking that Republican voters interpreted protectionism and anti-free-trade rhetoric as less-pro-capitalist is facially wrong. They don't know or care about how capitalism actually works, they just assume literally anything that makes it turn against them is the fault of communism, people of color, liberal elitist conspiracies, the jews, or themselves for not working hard enough if somehow all of the above can be disproved. I think you are right here. Republican rhetoric from 1980-2015, which was understood by Romney et al. as being proof that Americans want free trade and proudly stand with bankers and CEOs, was not that at all. It was successful only because it was interpreted as a base appeal to machismo and making voters feel they were one of the "tough guys" and winners of the world. Bush talking about job creators and fighting Islam tickled the exact same part of the brain that Trump did coming out against free trade with China, the Iraq war, and the idea that billionaires couldn't have their taxes raised. (I'm aware he never actually intended on raising billionaire's taxes, but he talked about it) Trump's actual accomplishment, as it were, was to see that it was the feelings rather than the specifics of the Republican platform that made it resonate. He took that understanding and expertly twisted Reaganomics back in on itself, railing against the effete elitism of the Romneys of the world while still maintaining the macho elitism of Gordon Gekko. In doing so he caught every primary opponent from 2016 off guard and forced an entire party to do a 180 (in rhetoric) in the span of six months. It was nothing but talk and bullshit of course, but that's oxygen to old white guys who insist every problem has a simple common sense solution that just feels right in the gut.
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OwlFancier posted:Rhetorically trump was probably a bit less pro capitalism than previous offerings. He leaned far more into pure nationalism including what might border on protectionism if he were more competent. As evidenced by his frequent complaints about various free trade initiatives. I actually thought that he was a throwback to the mercantalists because he very obviously believes that life is a zero-sum game.
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OwlFancier posted:There is a difference between someone who says that everyone should be threatened by capitalism equally, and someone who says that capitalism should be inflicted on others for the enrichment of the nation. That idea has a pedigree going back at least to the nazis, and there is a reason why the phrase "antisemitism is the socialism of fools" exists. You're misinterpreting a belief that they shouldn't be threatened by Capitalism and that Nationalism can protect them with a firm, unshakeable, borderline religious belief that Capitalism can only threaten them if it is not functioning properly. Literally any bad product of capitalism which they are victims of can only be sabotage, period. They didn't turn to Trump because he was co-opting anticapitalist messages in a Hitlerian fashion, they turned to him because he promised them that all the anti-capitalism would go away and thus Capitalist Jesus would make manna rain from the sky as was foretold in the Book of Rand
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If you told college aged me, in 2003ish, where we would be right now I'd have laughed in your face. I used to say, verbatim, "At least it's not possible to live through another presidency as bad as Dubya Bush." ------- Have a collage of "Uncle Gary is Off His Meds" from Fox. This was being reposted over and over while getting furiously upvoted every time. I don't even remember the article, other than it was a shooting or something.    Although the first reply made me laugh...Dad.
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How they might tell it to themselves I think is secondary to the fact that the shift in messaging is necessary because actually existing capitalism does threaten them and the things they like. So even if they want to adopt some tortured mental gymnastics, that doesn't change the fact that it is still co-opting anticapitalist sentiment because the cause of the dissatisfaction is ultimately capitalism itself. The people who complain about displays of token social progressivism by corporations also probably don't imagine that they are fundamentally complaining about capitalism deciding that their custom is worth less than the custom of people who will be enticed by trivial progressive messaging, but it is, ultimately, still what their complaints are. And a significant portion of right wing rhetoric is seeking to capitalize on the abject terror that a shift of what cultural touchstones are considered most marketable to capital, elicits in some of the population. It is, therefore, capitalizing on anti-capitalist sentiment, whether or not the people experiencing that sentiment realise that is what it is. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 08:55 on May 11, 2021 |
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Captain Log posted:If you told college aged me, in 2003ish, where we would be right now I'd have laughed in your face. I used to say, verbatim, "At least it's not possible to live through another presidency as bad as Dubya Bush." The "America is jesus land" poo poo always reminds me that they hate me as a jew too, we just don't have enough people to threaten the status quo
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