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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/resophonick/status/1391288617449005058?s=19 They're 100% spot on and it's supremely rage inducing to see the all people who think they are the ones to be teaching lessons about the north piling in calling them thick. Yes the tories caused all those problems and yes voting labour is, for the moment, the best way to reverse that. Hartlepool has been voting labour for 50+ years tho, including a 13 year stretch where labour was in power, and... this is result. They've more than fulfilled their end of the bargain, I'm not surprised they're trying something new. Mandelson is by a mile the single labour figure most responsible for that constituency. It was his for a decade in which labour held real power and it's frankly a miracle the party has held on locally as long as it has.
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XMNN posted:lol labours "ridiculous" plan involved planting 100 million a year The key difference is this plan is "by 2035", or to put it another way "after I'm out of office", or to put it more accurately "never".
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Halisnacks posted:So in the timeline where 2019 still happened, but RLB beat Starmer for the leadership - how would Labour have fared this last week? She'd have lost a hundred seats instead of nearly 300 and would have been shanked before the London results were in.
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peanut- posted:Remember when Corbyn proposed this and John McDonnell got openly mocked on air by the BBC? JC wanted to plant two-billion trees, right? That's quite a different order of magnitude. Which indicates to me that 140m isn't ambitious enough, but what do I know? (Very little, especially about trees)
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JordanKai posted:JC wanted to plant two-billion trees, right? That's quite a different order of magnitude. Corbyn's proposal was 2 billion trees over 20 years. Which...100m a year.
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JordanKai posted:JC wanted to plant two-billion trees, right? That's quite a different order of magnitude. 2bn over 20 years. Which is less per year than 2bn over 14 years.
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e: StarmeredJordanKai posted:JC wanted to plant two-billion trees, right? That's quite a different order of magnitude. 100 million per year to get to 2 billion by 2040. Which tbf is still probably more ambitious than aiming to reach 143 million per year by 2035, depends how you slice it
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I guess it's sensible to rack up all of these policies that originated from Corbynite Labour and compare the reaction as a kind of sanity check but no one who opposed them the first time around will change their minds about the left just because the right is now saying it'll do the same thing.
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It says double tree planting to 80 million a year within 4 years, which would mean planting over a billion trees by 2035 if it ramped up to 143million (weirdly specific number?) a year. Sounds good I guess, like lots of policies do as people in here have said recently of tory policies. I imagine theres some serious grifting to be done in getting those trees planted. subsidies to land owners to put in trees, companies set up by friends of friends to claim all the tree planting contracts etc.
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Failed Imagineer posted:100 million per year to get to 2 billion by 2040. Which tbf is still probably more ambitious than aiming to reach 143 million per year by 2035, depends how you slice it forkboy84 posted:Corbyn's proposal was 2 billion trees over 20 years. Which...100m a year. Noxville posted:2bn over 20 years. Which is less per year than 2bn over 14 years. Ooh, my bad. I read it as 143m trees by 2035 in total. 
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May 9, 2021 16:36
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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1391414589452169216 If Starmer does a massive reshuffle, purges the left even harder, and then promptly loses another seat he might actually be hosed.
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May 9, 2021 16:37
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1391414589452169216 Only a 2500 vote majority in 2019. 6500 votes for an Independent so can't really call where they'll go but I doubt they'd hold it given the recent results, especially since 1600 votes for the Brexit party should end up with the Tories.
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I'm sure the reshuffle will go fine and is all he needs to turn this ship around https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1391414019207176198?s=19 https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1391414022524870664?s=19 https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1391417461224902656?s=19
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May 9, 2021 16:44
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I love the fact that he's backed himself into a corner by saying he's actually promoting rayner rather than sacking her, I presume he's currently casting around attempting to sack other people so she can have their job and probably failing and having to promote them too also even if there are people stupid enough to believe that he always intended to promote her, I suspect Rayner isn't one of them so thats going to be a very normal and functional dynamic and everyone will absolutely believe that they're one big happy family and not a scheming nest of vipers I still can't believe how bad he is at this, once you've leaked that someone is going they should just be gone
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May 9, 2021 16:55
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XMNN posted:I love the fact that he's backed himself into a corner by saying he's actually promoting rayner rather than sacking her, I presume he's currently casting around attempting to sack other people so she can have their job and probably failing and having to promote them too There are 4 jobs higher in seniority to 'Party chair' available to Kier. Shadow Home Sec/Chancellor/Foreign office and Leader of the Opposition. So hes basically got to Sack Dodds, Nandy or Symonds. Any of those will result in a leadership challenge imo.
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serious gaylord posted:There are 4 jobs higher in seniority to 'Party chair' available to Kier. Shadow Home Sec/Chancellor/Foreign office and Leader of the Opposition. So hes basically got to Sack Dodds, Nandy or Symonds. Any of those will result in a leadership challenge imo. just absolutely amazing 1 year in and he's already trapped in his fuhrerbunker and basically set up a situation where whatever move he makes is going to piss off a bunch of people and possibly get him booted
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crispix posted:you would not trust that shithead to run an egg and spoon race Depends, if the eggs are wet, does surface tension help? Or just make things slippery?
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serious gaylord posted:There are 4 jobs higher in seniority to 'Party chair' available to Kier. Shadow Home Sec/Chancellor/Foreign office and Leader of the Opposition. So hes basically got to Sack Dodds, Nandy or Symonds. Any of those will result in a leadership challenge imo. Depends how you figure it, I suppose. Wikipedia's "Ministerial ranking" page has Amanda Milling (Chair of the Conservative Party) as the lowest-ranking cabinet minister. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_ranking#Current_ministerial_ranking
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serious gaylord posted:There are 4 jobs higher in seniority to 'Party chair' available to Kier. Shadow Home Sec/Chancellor/Foreign office and Leader of the Opposition. So hes basically got to Sack Dodds, Nandy or Symonds. Any of those will result in a leadership challenge imo. not sure sacking dodds is going to be the thing that does him in, he's just a career administrator who cant make a decision. they'll let him carry on a few months until batley and spen because a. who wants to catch that falling knife and b. what's he going to do to recover at that point? re-reshuffle? it's not a deck of cards
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Rustybear posted:he's just a career administrator who cant make a decision you think Keith would just fail to make a decision? you think the grownup in charge of a functional opposition would just flail wildly from crisis to crisis? have some faith jfc https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1391416651900506120?s=19
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Pantsmaster Bill posted:Greens took 2 out of 3 Ashley seats, with the remaining going to the decent socialist Labour candidate. Funny that. I’m in Ashley and I got a bit of junk mail and a door knock at 4pm election day, 3 hours after I’d voted. I know one of the Greens personally and unfortunately they’re a TERF, though mutuals of ours are doing a pretty good job of winning them over. Just a bit of an old-school radfem. In other news, the dude on the bike towing around that embarrassing poo poo Kieth billboard lost his seat in Central ward
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May 9, 2021 17:48
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Bodes well https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1391428160974110726
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Greens have taken 13 seats off Labour in Bristol to tie on 24 seats each.
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No integrity. No authority. We're uniting over a desire to see him gone.
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He's waiting to hear what Boris would do in the same position. Then do it.
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happyhippy posted:Probably already pasted in one of the UK threads here, but just saw it on imgur: 
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Its kind of surprising how quickly it's all gone to bits for Starmer. I guess that indicates all the media puff pieces were concealing that there never really was much going on below the surface: no organisation, no plan, nothing.
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serious gaylord posted:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1391439220011642880 He’s had a couple months to write it, been obvious Labour were gonna get dicked for a while
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Pistol_Pete posted:Its kind of surprising how quickly it's all gone to bits for Starmer. I guess that indicates all the media puff pieces were concealing that there never really was much going on below the surface: no organisation, no plan, nothing. He's had about 10% of the pressure applied to him that Corbyn had on his best days and he's instantly collapsed.
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XMNN posted:https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1391437993748148229?s=19 serious gaylord posted:There are 4 jobs higher in seniority to 'Party chair' available to Kier. Shadow Home Sec/Chancellor/Foreign office and Leader of the Opposition. So hes basically got to Sack Dodds, Nandy or Symonds. Any of those will result in a leadership challenge imo. I hope Owen's sourced this rather than based it on the same logic as SG's analysis, because if it's sourced hats off to serious gaylord and hats off to lab for doing an amazing job of demoloshing the left by causing all of us to laugh ourselves to death.
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People who have learnt that you can stab a leader of the opposition in the back and get away with it, stab leader in the back? I'm shocked.
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