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There's bound to plenty of other places in the country to watch as well but an extremely important MP to watch now will be Thangam Debonnaire, Shadow Cabinet Minister for Housing. Nearly all the council seats in her area have gone to Greens from Labour and she's been anagonistic to her CLP and Momentum Bristol, lovely to the left in general but also hyper loving paranoid about losing her seat - demanding way more canvassing in 2017 and 2019 in her area than was sensible or required. She must be absolutely making GBS threads herself now and so she's going to be a real indication of the power of the left (in Bristol) over Labour - if they can bring her to heel and actually start getting her to make statements in support of various local activist issues then the Labour left is capable of organising and has some weight to throw around. If she keeps being all melty then one of the largest and angriest grassroots left organisations in Labour is finished and that's an awful indication of any hope they have about getting back in control of the party.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Honestly why are melts *so* obsessed with Yvette Cooper? She seems a fairly bog-standard middle-ranker - is this the actual reason? They assume someone quite so milquetoast is the epitome of "electability"? they think she’s thatcher
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Nandy is making tweets critical of Israel which is a pretty clear indicator that HQ has lost control of her and she isn't worried about being sacked.
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May 9, 2021 20:27
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https://twitter.com/bencsmoke/status/1391474359299104783 Dude's gone full "lock yourself in your room and pretend the world doesn't exist"
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May 9, 2021 20:28
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Pistol_Pete posted:I'm starting to think a lot of Labour figures really loving hate Starmer but had been discretely keeping their powder dry before now. Every anecdote I've heard about him (largely from this thread) paints him as an arrogant wanker to be around and I really feel like that's a bigger deal than often gets credit. Boris has basically made a career out of being awful at everything but extremely pleasant and charming to be around. So yeah I wouldn't be at all surprised if, for political reasons too obviously, a ton of Labour folk do really dislike him and are pretty drat happy to get the knives out. I mean look at Burnham's tweet up there, pure revelling. I'm here for it.
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TheRat posted:https://twitter.com/bencsmoke/status/1391474359299104783 You'd think he'd have some staffer tweeting this stuff out for him, at the very least? It must be a serious crisis when they can't even pretend to be papering over the cracks.
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May 9, 2021 20:33
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kingturnip posted:Considering Starmer had to be persuaded to run as an MP in the first place, and then only ran as Leader because everyone kept telling him how good he'd be, none of this is a surprise. He’s also a ridiculously inexperienced leader, being an MP for what, just over 4 years before taking over. So he’s clearly in way over his head when it comes to dealing with internal party machinations.
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May 9, 2021 20:35
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/09/government-to-change-english-voting-system-after-labour-mayoral-victories Didn't know this was a thing, the Tories are going to change all the Mayoral elections to FPTP so they stop losing so many.
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TheRat posted:https://twitter.com/bencsmoke/status/1391474359299104783 Starmer shut in his office with the lights off and curtains drawn, getting strategic counsel from his most trusted advisors Jim Bean and Johnny Walker.
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peanut- posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/09/government-to-change-english-voting-system-after-labour-mayoral-victories Unfortunately the amount of messed up ballots in London has helped make their case for them so I expect this to sail through.
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keep punching joe posted:It's nothing to do with job competence really. Mostly just a way of giving your mates something high profile to do, and putting your rivals in a position where they aren't allowed to openly shittalk you. Sure, but it's just sort of enabling of us to accept this and literally refer to it as a reshuffle, taking terminology from gambling to describe the organisation of the people we've elected to look after us.
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May 9, 2021 20:49
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Sure, but it's just sort of enabling of us to accept this and literally refer to it as a reshuffle, taking terminology from gambling to describe the organisation of the people we've elected to look after us. Hmm, yes, "reshuffle" does suggest a modicum of agency. In future, please can everyone refer to Kier Starmer's actions as "a total crapshoot." Thanks in advance.
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May 9, 2021 20:54
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lol: https://twitter.com/Private_Fuq/status/1391344098196566020
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May 9, 2021 21:03
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Mister Fantastic posted:He does have policies. He has: * support are police
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May 9, 2021 21:03
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I’m still cracking up at Keith posing for a fish supper despite being a vegetarian. It just sums him up so well.
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Ordinarily, cabinet reshuffles are coordinated to align policy decisions into a single coherent whole. For example: if you were facing a war, you'd consolidate all pacifists or all warhawks to your personal taste (or, if you're smart, to the tastes of public opinion). Neil Kinnock went further than this, using shadow cabinet positions as a means of conversion: offering SCG members who revoked their SCG policies —and who accepted his own agenda— positions in the shadcab. In this way he consolidated all centrists by strongarming socialists into the center, if only symbolically (NB: It was poo poo). Starmer seems to think that shadcab positions should be offered to people with name recognition, or to those who have some expertise in the field. While there's some truth to this, party members will make their name by espousing their views irrespective of whether they have a (shadow) office. They'll make columns, tweets, speeches and appearances that get the public to know where they're coming from. Better yet, you get to see the public response to these things. Starmer has half figured out that you can make statements by the hiring and firing of people from this pool into the shadcab (in his case, mainly firing) but he hasn't quite utilised the potential for probing or even amassing public opinion that back benchers can have, nor has he been able to communicate what exactly unifies his own hand picked cabinet. He's just gone and picked people who have name recognition, or some people with relevance in the field, and hopes the viewer goes "I like that" instinctually rather than through any principle or quality that draws the voter to the cabinet member. Voters aren't stupid. No matter which side you're on, people can see the contradictions in the front benches. What's more, people can see that Labour messaging right now is coming from the top down. Why do this? I think he betrayed his mindset recently. He makes changes. Defeat has made him so shaken that he will frantically try anything new, because the last thing failed. It's understandable, because that's the exact spirit that got him into leadership in the first place. He is the party's rebound shag, and this election is the painful realisation that Labour still loves Corbyn. There is no cabinet that can salvage that.
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https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1391416425437347845 i might be giving this a bad-faith reading; is this suggesting obliquely that some equivalent to Jo Cox's murder (by a fascist) could be the end result of the current Labour Party clusterfuck and anger? seems just a tad off if so CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 21:18 on May 9, 2021 |
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May 9, 2021 21:14
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Amazing, what a triumph of messaging the last 24 hours have been. https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1391488142314811395
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May 9, 2021 21:26
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May 9, 2021 21:27
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CGI Stardust posted:https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1391416425437347845 Or drawing an equivalence between twitter being mean to Kieth and the actual loving assassination of an MP, quite possibly. I'm sure that's not what she means, though. 
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CGI Stardust posted:i might be giving this a bad-faith reading; is this suggesting obliquely that some equivalent to Jo Cox's murder (by a fascist) could be the end result of the current Labour Party clusterfuck and anger? seems just a tad off if so I mean she explicitly says that's what she means, so yes https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1391469288075276295?s=20
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Can't wait to descend into the full banter timeline, and Starmer ends up promoting Jessflaps and the loving Hamburglar.
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May 9, 2021 21:31
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I won't knife you in the back, I'll knife you in the front
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May 9, 2021 21:32
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love to say that telling MPs they're bad at their jobs is just the same as shooting them
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May 9, 2021 21:33
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peanut- posted:I mean she explicitly says that's what she means, so yes
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May 9, 2021 21:34
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If murders making people sad stopped people being mean, there'd be no murders. Even if we follow her twisted logic, it's a plea with absolutely zero strength behind it. What is it a plea for? As far as I can tell, decorum.
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May 9, 2021 21:38
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Not to defend Starmer too much (he'll find someone awful to replace her with) but Dodds was absolute shite at the Shadow Chancellor job and that is actually the right thing to do
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the tweet is already gone haha.
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 and to follow up  it was Reeves' music! CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 21:54 on May 9, 2021 |
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^^^(Thanks CGI Stardust) https://twitter.com/bdmabrams/status/1391494340321628161
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peanut- posted:Not to defend Starmer too much (he'll find someone awful to replace her with) but Dodds was absolute shite at the Shadow Chancellor job and that is actually the right thing to do Yeah I don't really think anyone will be too upset about him dumping Dodds. If he'd had a hint of forethought the obvious thing to do would be wait a week or so and then sack dodds, possibly replace her with kate green or otherwise shuffle people around to free up education, and give Rayner the education brief back. However unfortunately for him he's a loving idiot.
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1391493477121380354 what convenient timing for a reshuffle just as Nick felt it was time to move on 
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May 9, 2021 21:50
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Has going after the whip ever worked out? He knows where the bodies are buried ffs
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May 9, 2021 21:51
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 Angie is now... Shadow Duchy of Lancaster !! a big promotion, i'm sure we can all agree
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CGI Stardust posted:
 A loving pretend shadow role for an already pretend cabinet role.
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Oh man it gets loving better https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1391497252372467716 JOBS JOBS JOBS (but again) What a loving weekend lol
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Pesky Splinter posted:Oh man it gets loving better Didn't he already spend the last year in his office focusing on 'jobs?
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What exactly is the difference between ‘work’ and ‘jobs’ in that slogan’s logic?
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