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FlamingLiberal posted:Time for more elections? Again? I keep waiting for Bibi to be utterly defeated and I keep getting disappointed.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah that just hasn't worked out well lately neither has holding elections but the forms must be followed, presumably
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May 5, 2021 00:24
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maybe they'll just keep holding elections until he's convicted
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VideoGameVet posted:I keep waiting for Bibi to be utterly defeated and I keep getting disappointed.    Ever since I was first eligible to vote, and I am 40 this week. E: Although technically he had been pushed out of Likud leadership from 1999-2005 those unscrupulous assholes still kept that rat around and he only gotten more corrupt. By popular demand fucked around with this message at 05:54 on May 5, 2021 |
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VideoGameVet posted:I keep waiting for Bibi to be utterly defeated and I keep getting disappointed. The problem is if bibi is defeated the ultra orthodox israelis will take over. (If im wrong here please correct me)
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May 5, 2021 05:49
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The ultra orthodox aren't popular outside their small sphere of influence, but there's a chance for the government to go HARD right. We should all be worried about that.
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By popular demand posted:The ultra orthodox aren't popular outside their small sphere of influence, but there's a chance for the government to go HARD right. We should all be worried about that. That's what i was trying to get at. I saw videos of a nationalist rally that looked to have ill intent. I wonder if this Netanyahu thing goes sideways and a hard right swing is had, would we see actual pogroms?
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Fortunately the extreme right isn't buddies with the police and armed forces as they are in the US so there still hope.
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By popular demand posted:The ultra orthodox aren't popular outside their small sphere of influence, but there's a chance for the government to go HARD right. We should all be worried about that. Wait, you mean that all these years we actually saw the tame/moderate version??
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May 5, 2021 11:07
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Dante80 posted:Wait, you mean that all these years we actually saw the tame/moderate version?? An overtly Kahanist government would be a wild, wild ride.
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May 5, 2021 11:12
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Darth Walrus posted:An overtly Kahanist government would be a wild, wild ride. I'm of the opinion that Israel is now closer to that then ever, a new intifada might push this through if it's violent enough to economically destabilise the middle classes. An actual war could too, after the initial wave of patriotic support for the government passes.
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May 5, 2021 12:40
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It's such a bummer.
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May 5, 2021 12:45
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Dante80 posted:Wait, you mean that all these years we actually saw the tame/moderate version?? yes. Bibi's faction is right wing but in the fairly normal violent imperialist right wing where 90% of it is just maintaining the brutal status quo and the occasional performative act of cruelty to remind people who's in charge, with a fair amount of socially liberal policies for the dominant faction to enjoy to keep things from getting too spicy at home. The Khanist faction and others like them would be a 100% theocracy for all sides. Like, Khanists literally believe Israel as a concept isn't even enough, and they need to expand out into Jordan and poo poo just to keep the filthy non-Jewish Arabs from having ANY influence at all culturally let alone civically. Like said it's MOSTLY a non-issue because even in Israel the ultra ultra orthodox groups like them are seen as useful idiots at best by most people but yea there absolutely is a world where a much more hardline right wing/anti-non-Jew government forms and makes Bibi look like a loving multiculturalist dove.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqtYy-l4O74 own the libs --> become the libs (?)
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May 5, 2021 17:06
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coincidentally I just subscribed for Haaretz, which made the ad look a bit like it was targeting me personally. Anyway he should really go all in on that head-looks-like-a-penis thing, maybe switch to cream colour skullcaps.
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May 5, 2021 17:29
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Israeli institutions constantly back settlers up all the time, there are soldiers who accompany settler vandals and then protect them when palestinians or activists try to intervene, not to mention all the illegal cause all settlements are illegal settlements connected to the Israeli power, water and road grid. Really I feel like the Israeli tendency to once in a while punish some monsterous crime (such as the Dawabsha and Abu Khdeir murders, or Elor Azaria acting as executioner while wearing an IDF uniform) is not indicative how much actual support the settler movement receives from 'mainstream israel'. Now would things be even more extreme with Ben Gvir or some other kahanist in charge? probably, but that's alt-history talk, the crawling annexation enterprise has been going strong for many decades now. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 19:16 on May 5, 2021 |
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May 5, 2021 17:39
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Apparently some poo poo went down at Al Aqsa Mosque today https://twitter.com/falasteen47/status/1390780644649807876?s=20
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May 8, 2021 01:21
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May 8, 2021 01:58
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Well gently caress.
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DarkCrawler posted:All Israeli citizens don't have the same rights though. "Citizen" in Israel is an inferior status to "national", a class reserved only for Jews. Israel is an apartheid state with or without the territories (which, due to hundreds of thousands of citizen-nationals residing there can't really be considered "foreign" anyway). Is this true?
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Amy clear evidence what prompted these unusually provocative attacks from the Israelis? Or just the usual low-key ethnic cleansing taking a random uptick? I take all predictions of "the Third Intifada kicks off now!" with a huge grain of salt, though, as the same has been said a dozen-odd times during other periods of escalation since 2005. Between the segregation and expansion of the anti-Palestinian security state, to say nothing of Abbas being bought off, it's hard to imagine anything kicking off in any scenario less than Israel dropping the facade and taking even more aggressive measures.
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May 8, 2021 05:50
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It’s the holiest day of Ramadan, which makes breaking into a mosque extra lovely
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FlamingLiberal posted:Apparently some poo poo went down at Al Aqsa Mosque today I don't see any English-language claims of an "official" Third Intifada being declared, outside of this tweet. American media sucks on Palestinian issues, but be cautious of taking some random dude on Twitter at his word too. Here's the AP's info on that stuff, along with some backstory for the current tensions and a fair bit of dumb obvious scaremongering about Iran and Hamas: https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-west-bank-shootings-d5c6b1ed602844be69318bd1d1a334cf quote:JERUSALEM (AP) — Palestinian worshippers clashed with Israeli police late Friday at the Al-Aqsa mosque compound, a major holy site sacred to Muslims and Jews, in an escalation of weeks of violence in Jerusalem that has reverberated across the region.
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It's pretty much a perfect storm, between the Sheik Jarrah protests and decisions coming down in the next few days, Ramadan almost ending, which means everybody is on edge from a combination of fasting during the day and not smoking, and it almost being Jerusalem Day. Put that on top of Itamar Ben-Gvir being up to his nonsense and the fact that a lot of the Lag BaOmer victims were from Jerusalem and the Haredim there are pissed at the government and police for the poor safety conditions at Mt. Maron that helped contribute to the catastrophe, Jerusalem isn't the calmest place right now. Oh, also, Abbas just cancelled the 2021 PNA legislative elections, officially because East Jerusalem and the Golan aren't participating, but probably in reality because Hamas looks like they're going to do really well, so now Hamas is pissed and violence has just escalated in the West Bank, which isn't helping the entire situation either, not to mention the fact that Israel still doesn't have a new government. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 06:52 on May 8, 2021 |
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May 8, 2021 06:49
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Oh poo poo am I going to right about a hard right takeover? Please God no.
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PawParole posted:Is this true? No By popular demand posted:Oh poo poo am I going to right about a hard right takeover? Please God no. Yes 😕
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PawParole posted:Is this true? https://en.idi.org.il/articles/6516 Yes.
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DarkCrawler posted:All Israeli citizens don't have the same rights though. "Citizen" in Israel is an inferior status to "national", a class reserved only for Jews.
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Xander77 posted:I'm not seeing that in the link you've provided. There's some behind the scenes stuff that not everyone is aware of where your nationality does actually matter (as opposed to your citizenship) for how much the states wants to give you poo poo.
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Xander77 posted:I'm not seeing that in the link you've provided. Whoops wrong link https://uscpr.org/citizenshipmyth/ Specific things: https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/7771 https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190518-discrimination-division-and-demolitions-life-as-a-palestinian-citizen-of-israel/amp/
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Miftan posted:There's some behind the scenes stuff that not everyone is aware of where your nationality does actually matter (as opposed to your citizenship) for how much the states wants to give you poo poo.
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The plague isn't yet over and the ministry of health declared massive cutbacks in funding, in response the medical caregivers are on a 'Warning strike' tomorrow. We all knew this bullshit is coming and we should pay attention.
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Xander77 posted:Explain please? Can't, sorry. Miftan fucked around with this message at 21:30 on May 9, 2021 |
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May 9, 2021 19:17
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https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Read-the-full-Jewish-Nation-State-Law-562923 There's also this so I don't think the fact that citizen-nationals (either as a collective or individuals) have superior rights to mere citizens is much of a secret. That status is reserved for a single ethnoreligious group.
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That's really a lot of words to say "Palestinians are discriminated against regardless of whether or not they're citizens". You're looking into a fundamentally Jewish-supremacist regime and seeing some sort of elaborate tiered system, when it's really nothing more but allowing some non-Jews citizenship while still discriminating against them. It's true that Israel doesn't recognize a single "Israeli" nationality, but that's more of a signaling thing: it's a rejection of shared identity between different ethnic groups. It's an indication that the Israeli state prioritizes existing ethnic identities and does not intend to bring them together under a single "Israeli" umbrella. That isn't automatically a bad thing, since many modern national identities were forged somewhat forcibly by states pushing to integrate and assimilate a number of ethnicities into a single overall culture even if it meant the loss of minority identities and cultures. But in the context of Israel's official stance as a "Jewish nation", it's pretty clearly meant to reinforce the concept of Jewish supremacy and make clear that the state has no intention of allowing a melting pot shared culture to form.
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This must be a targeted action by Bibi. He cant form a majority so spark an intifada and the majority will come to you. Every time he has an election coming up there's a big military action uptick. The Israeli army must believe they are ready to fight Hamas toe to toe if they're going to allow something like firing into a mosque like this which they know full well will trigger a response.
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Main Paineframe posted:That's really a lot of words to say "Palestinians are discriminated against regardless of whether or not they're citizens". You're looking into a fundamentally Jewish-supremacist regime and seeing some sort of elaborate tiered system, when it's really nothing more but allowing some non-Jews citizenship while still discriminating against them. Yeah, except that there are legal rights Jews have over everyone else. It is a very uncomplicated tiered system hierarchy, but one nonetheless.
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