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BitBasher posted:The difficulty of hitting a target at long range goes up nonlinearly with range. I don’t disagree with this because that stereotype has proven true shockingly often in my experience as well, but shooting .50s and anti-tank rifles is fun as gently caress. I mean .50s built from actual gun parts though, not the ones built out of the leftovers from a plumbing supply van.
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May 10, 2021 22:22
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The .50 was a repurposed round from a heavy machine gun (hence “50 BMG” or Browning Machine Gun”) when the military wanted something to reach out and touch targets at ridiculous ranges. The Lapua round was specifically designed as a sniper round to meet and exceed the capabilities of the .50 sniper rounds. Think of the .50 as an old-school carbureted V8, and the Lapua as a high-tech turbo 4. The 50 was good for its time, but now it’s outdated, mainly fun for what it was. Anti-materiel is a whole ‘nother thing, I think. Sometimes you gotta throw big chunks to mess things up.
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May 10, 2021 22:28
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don't .50 BMG rounds also cost like 5 dollars each just take out ol' abe and light him on fire every time you pull the trigger
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May 10, 2021 22:56
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In the video he specifically says they cost him "a hundred dollars a piece" because they're rare surplus rounds. So replace Abraham with Benjamin.
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May 10, 2021 23:02
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MrYenko posted:I don’t disagree with this because that stereotype has proven true shockingly often in my experience as well, but shooting .50s and anti-tank rifles is fun as gently caress. I mean .50s built from actual gun parts though, not the ones built out of the leftovers from a plumbing supply van. While true, if you are going to give that as the reason then don't half rear end it. go buy a Lahti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9qHv_XEAZg It's actually cheaper than some Barrets and it fires a big manly round unlike that pansy .50 which is like what, .5 of a real bullet? Shoot a .787 (20mm) instead! It throws a 4.1 oz projectile at 2950 feet (900m) per second! Muzzle energy of 34,655 ft⋅lb! Under $10k! https://www.gunsamerica.com/947473456/Lahti-20mm-Anti-Tank-Rifle.htm Murica! 
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May 10, 2021 23:06
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Yeah, even 7.62 NATO is lethal out to many km, if the weapon rules I once got drilled in were right. 12.7 seems kind of overkill unless you are using it as light AP? The story going around my middle school friends about the .50 cal (as seen in, say, Delta Force 1) was that in real life you weren't allowed to use it against people, but that the obvious loophole was to claim you were aiming for his rifle. I will assume that none of that is true in any way. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 23:38 on May 10, 2021 |
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May 10, 2021 23:10
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Barrett .50 sniper rifles vaporized plenty of targets’ heads, which I think counts for aiming at the person.
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May 10, 2021 23:24
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guns suck and are dumb   
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May 10, 2021 23:39
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drat you Chrysler
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May 10, 2021 23:48
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May 10, 2021 23:51
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Memento posted:drat you Chrysler Isn't the Chrysler minivan failure the entire shock tower rusting loose from the chassis? That looks like a strut top mount failure.
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May 10, 2021 23:53
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Computer viking posted:Yeah, even 7.62 NATO is lethal out to many km, if the weapon rules I once got drilled in were right. 12.7 seems kind of overkill unless you are using it as light AP? Gun Jesus has a whole bunch of videos about big powerful rifles and he always points out that the .50s and other enormous cartridges are not sniper rifles; you simply don't need that much power when you're shooting humans. A .30-06 or .338 will kill a person just as dead at sniping distances (where you're far more limited by the environment and the shooter skill than simply running out of range) while being much more portable and less obvious when fired. Guns like the Barrett .50s are antimateriel rifles, designed for destroying fuel tanks, light vehicles, helicopters, and unexploded ordnance from a distance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEDFn3UtVIc
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May 10, 2021 23:54
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Powershift posted:guns suck and are dumb Yes but if you asked me to deal with that I'd want to shoot it from as far away as I could. Not with a .50. Well I'd want to but a .22 should be fine. Hell a pellet gun could probably deflate that.
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May 11, 2021 00:02
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Memento posted:drat you Chrysler Porsche does something similar to this too 
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May 11, 2021 00:02
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.50 BMG is an antimateriel cartridge. Full stop. It was built for the M2 and was designed for the things that heavy machine guns did around WWI; provide suppressing fire, hit people out of cover, hit people behind cover, take out light fortifications, and destroy important things in aircraft that fly too low or vehicles that get too close. Those criteria mean the cartridge has the capability to impart a lot of force from very far away, and can be used to ruin someone's day from the next town over. However: Sagebrush posted:Gun Jesus has a whole bunch of videos about big powerful rifles and he always points out that the .50s and other enormous cartridges are not sniper rifles; you simply don't need that much power when you're shooting humans. A .30-06 or .338 will kill a person just as dead at sniping distances (where you're far more limited by the environment and the shooter skill than simply running out of range) while being much more portable and less obvious when fired. Powershift posted:guns suck and are dumb Gun debates suck and are dumb because it's like arguing about what oil to use. Everyone has an opinion and almost all of them are valid, so it goes in circles forever
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May 11, 2021 00:08
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I don't really think anyone disagrees here, though - we're basically all united in .50 cal rifles being good for putting large holes in stuff at longish distances and possibly having fun making big (if expensive) booms at a firing range, while not being meant for or good at sniping in any traditional sense.
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May 11, 2021 00:43
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BitBasher posted:While true, if you are going to give that as the reason then don't half rear end it. go buy a Lahti Going to a caliber over .50 (and not in a shotgun or muzzle loader) puts you in Destructive Device territory. The two hundred dollar tax stamp isn’t as big a deal as it was in the Depression, especially not when the guns and ammunition themselves are more expensive, but it’s more paperwork for comparable entertainment value.
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May 11, 2021 01:07
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50 cal is hilariously fun, you just have to find a place to shoot them. I can't imagine 20 mm has many ranges that allow it but I would be first in line if I found one. mischief fucked around with this message at 02:56 on May 11, 2021 |
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May 11, 2021 02:53
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mischief posted:50 cal is hilariously fun, you just have to find a place to shoot them. You can do that at Big Sandy. But agreed that guns are stupid and dumb and we should quit talking about them in this thread.
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May 11, 2021 03:06
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wrong thread
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May 11, 2021 12:52
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Advent Horizon posted:
Ahem. Was the mirror covered in frost or not?
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May 11, 2021 14:40
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 Occupants had some cuts and bruises from the glass, but no serious injuries. The red on the windshield is just reflections from the emergency vehicle lights, not blood or paint or anything.
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May 11, 2021 16:03
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BitBasher posted:While true, if you are going to give that as the reason then don't half rear end it. go buy a Lahti That's a destructive device according to the ATF, the .50's just a rifle. Platystemon posted:Going to a caliber over .50 (and not in a shotgun or muzzle loader) puts you in Destructive Device territory. The "shotgun" bit doesn't matter. A 12-gauge shotgun is a destructive device if the Secretary of the Treasury says so, which is why the Street Sweeper and similar 12-gauge shotguns are DDs. Muzzleloaders are okay though because they're not considered firearms and don't fall under the NFA. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 11, 2021 |
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May 11, 2021 18:10
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The result of a mid air collision today in Colorado. https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/local/plane-collision-crash-cherry-creek-reservoir/73-79563af1-af84-482c-b3f8-f9b40d9378eb Edit: I now see it's well covered in the airplane thread! Well I'll just leave it here for those if us who stay on land. StormDrain fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 20:32
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StormDrain posted:The result of a mid air collision today in Colorado. https://twitter.com/aimee_lewisTV/status/1392548614573015042?s=20
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May 12, 2021 20:34
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TIL plane parachutes are a thing
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May 12, 2021 20:37
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May 12, 2021 20:58
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we do not speak of airframe parachutes
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May 12, 2021 21:05
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BlackMK4 posted:TIL plane parachutes are a thing Did you think they had inflatable boats like in Indiana Jones?
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May 12, 2021 21:05
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Imagine exiting your plane after your white knuckle emergency landing and realizing that this is what it looks like
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May 12, 2021 21:13
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aphid_licker posted:Imagine exiting your plane after your white knuckle emergency landing and realizing that this is what it looks like There have been worse. Look up Aloha Airlines Flight 243. Someone did die in that accident though since they were standing when the roof opened up.
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May 12, 2021 22:11
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aphid_licker posted:Imagine exiting your plane after your white knuckle emergency landing and realizing that this is what it looks like I believe the IDF still holds the record for this 
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May 12, 2021 22:18
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StormDrain posted:The result of a mid air collision today in Colorado. https://twitter.com/scottiebateman/status/1392565518972903426
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May 12, 2021 22:20
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shame on an IGA posted:I believe the IDF still holds the record for this Flying and then landing on one loving wing. I had no idea the F-15 had that much body lift, that's the only way you could pull that off. I believe there are also stories from WW2 of bombers landing without tails and at least one landing itself without a crew. And then there's this poo poo! Guy survives landing in a bombers severed tail! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub3WJVi-LjY&t=118s Now that I think of it, these are all successes not failures.
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May 13, 2021 02:07
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shame on an IGA posted:I believe the IDF still holds the record for this The pilot didn’t know he was missing that much plane and said if he had known, he would have ejected. Phanatic posted:The "shotgun" bit doesn't matter. A 12-gauge shotgun is a destructive device if the Secretary of the Treasury says so, which is why the Street Sweeper and similar 12-gauge shotguns are DDs. Muzzleloaders are okay though because they're not considered firearms and don't fall under the NFA. Well if we’re going to be pedantic about this, it’s no longer the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Treasury. Now it’s the Attorney General’s bailiwick.
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May 13, 2021 02:17
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Platystemon posted:The pilot didn’t know he was missing that much plane and said if he had known, he would have ejected. Yeah, so much fuel vapor spraying our he couldn't see anything to that side. They were actually able to bolt on a replacement wing and put that plane back into service.
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May 13, 2021 06:40
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This led to some redesign work.
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May 13, 2021 08:20
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Godholio posted:This led to some redesign work. "why are we spending all this good money on vertical stabilizers and rudders when the drat things fly just fine without them?!?"
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Platystemon posted:The pilot didn’t know he was missing that much plane and said if he had known, he would have ejected. I think she was too low or in the wrong orientation to eject but when she'd leveled it out was surprised it seemed stable so opted to fly it home. Very badass.
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