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President Beep posted:oldest son just fell out of his bed (he’s fine) so after a mad dash into his room to investigate the loud thump one time not long after we got my son a real bed he fell out right onto a cushion i put down there and i found him still sleeping on teh floor lmao
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May 10, 2021 10:47
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bobbilljim posted:one time not long after we got my son a real bed he fell out right onto a cushion i put down there and i found him still sleeping on teh floor lmao
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May 10, 2021 14:48
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Kenny Logins posted:same here with my daughter last year. it was pretty funny but we now use pool noodles under the fitted sheet to avoid it as she now doesn't sleep QUITE as soundly filing this pro strat for later
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May 10, 2021 19:36
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jeez, my kid is doing this doing some online math exercises via this site called dreambox and he’s working on basic algebra. he’s not even finished second grade yet. I don’t think i got exposed to this stuff until middle school.
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May 10, 2021 23:32
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President Beep posted:jeez, my kid is doing this doing some online math exercises via this site called dreambox and he’s working on basic algebra. he’s not even finished second grade yet. I don’t think i got exposed to this stuff until middle school. that’s how you can tell common core is garbage.
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May 11, 2021 03:00
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im so mad about common core
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May 11, 2021 03:43
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common core happened after i left, would anyone give me a book jacket description of it?
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May 11, 2021 03:46
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it would've made me like math a whole lot more and turned me into an even bigger nerd
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May 11, 2021 03:53
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Stringent posted:common core happened after i left, would anyone give me a book jacket description of it? the idea, for math anyway, is that there are lots of different ways to do things, and different people are more adept at solving problems in different ways. Which is great, but here's how it works out in practice: Say there's 5 different ways to do Problem X. Ok, so you'd think you'd show the 5 different ways and let kids use whichever way they find clearest and easiest right? WRONG. They have to do Problem X 5 times, one for each way, despite not being adept at four of them.
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May 11, 2021 03:55
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that sucks, lol
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May 11, 2021 04:02
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it sure does.
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May 11, 2021 04:03
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rotor posted:the idea, for math anyway, is that there are lots of different ways to do things, and different people are more adept at solving problems in different ways. isn’t that an implementation issue and not actually in common core
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May 11, 2021 04:05
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hobbesmaster posted:isn’t that an implementation issue and not actually in common core well its the loving implementation that matters isnt it
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May 11, 2021 04:07
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rotor posted:well its the loving implementation that matters isnt it yeah didnt you see aaron sorkin movie 'the social network' sheesh
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May 11, 2021 04:08
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like this isn't something where you tell your crying children who now hate mathematics after years of this bullshit that oh this is just a bad implementation of an idea, just wait around for a decade or two for people to sort things out New Math rendered like 3-5 years worth of kids innumerate in the 70s, my prediction is the same thing will happen now and it's entirely because some Education PhDs needed to justify their existence.
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May 11, 2021 04:10
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and for the record, there seems to be some New Math chucked in there as well, when it first showed up my 1st grader was bringing home things like 'here's the three apples you have [picture of 3 apples] and here's the two apples your friend has [picture of two apples]. Now draw a circle around all the apples - what is the cardinality of apples in the circle?" New Math is a loving cancer and common core isn't much better. You do not teach 5 year old children math by starting at set theory and i dont give a gently caress if set theory IS the foundation of mathematics.
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May 11, 2021 04:14
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rotor posted:and for the record, there seems to be some New Math chucked in there as well, when it first showed up my 1st grader was bringing home things like it’s 5 rotor, not that hard tbh
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May 11, 2021 04:19
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Gentle Autist posted:it’s 5 rotor, not that hard tbh well yes in retrospect that is clear
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May 11, 2021 04:25
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i forgot what cardinality means. i have an engineering degree
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May 11, 2021 04:40
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bobbilljim posted:i forgot what cardinality means. i have an engineering degree its the number of elements in a set
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May 11, 2021 04:43
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bobbilljim posted:i forgot what cardinality means. i have an engineering degree i always remember it as being the same as a magnitude because it uses the same notation this has the bonus of making math people mad
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May 11, 2021 04:47
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hobbesmaster posted:i always remember it as being the same as a magnitude because it uses the same notation 
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May 11, 2021 04:48
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well, apples aren’t elements (they are fruit, technically) so the answer is zero.
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May 11, 2021 08:20
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no, i didn’t graduate from high school. why do you ask?
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May 11, 2021 08:21
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honestly i think we generally try to teach kids math much too early. a lot of material has crept down the ages as if you can just generally jumpstart knowledge in everything, and where i think reading and writing is better the earlier you can get onto it the same is not true at all for math. basic arithmetic sure, but just about everything past that requires a level of abstraction to be not only understandable, but at all enjoyable, and i just don't think young children have that yet. not like you need it to round out the syllabus, there's tons of things you could teach first- and second-graders which they would enjoy and have use of knowing.
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May 11, 2021 10:08
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admittedly my experience is skewed by not being in the US, but my impression from looking at my son's homework has been that anything beyond simple arithmetic (word problems or whatever) are made exceedingly difficult by textbook authors being utterly incapable of writing unambiguous problems.
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May 11, 2021 10:38
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:honestly i think we generally try to teach kids math much too early. In the US, I think we teach a lot of things too early. Instead of sprinting through math to get kids into calculus in their senior year in high school we should be teaching more nonacademic subjects like "how to make food from ingredients," "how to manage a household budget," "how to understand common statistics," "how to manage time effectively" and other life skills that will help them be successful adults.
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May 11, 2021 17:33
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you get a lot of people saying "these are the things parents should teach their children" but that tends to not happen reliably.
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May 11, 2021 17:34
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rotor posted:In the US, I think we teach a lot of things too early. Instead of sprinting through math to get kids into calculus in their senior year in high school we should be teaching more nonacademic subjects like "how to make food from ingredients," "how to manage a household budget," "how to understand common statistics," "how to manage time effectively" and other life skills that will help them be successful adults. i had a bunch of practical home ec type stuff in school. i learned how to hem pants which was cool but i have long since forgotten how to do it. i can still sew buttons and darn sweaters tho. we went thru one thing where we had to plan out a monthly household budget complete with meal planning for a family
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May 11, 2021 17:42
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Shaggar posted:i had a bunch of practical home ec type stuff in school. i learned how to hem pants which was cool but i have long since forgotten how to do it. i can still sew buttons and darn sweaters tho. yeah i'm talking about kids going to school in this century
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May 11, 2021 17:43
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fair. its definitely doable and idk what the hell they teach kids these days
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May 11, 2021 17:48
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Shaggar posted:idk what the hell they teach kids these days set theory and eight different ways to factor the same quadratic equation
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May 11, 2021 17:50
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never let math majors have any input on the teaching of math because it will always be the most useless poo poo taught in the worst way possible
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May 11, 2021 17:51
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Shaggar posted:never let math majors have any input on the teaching of math because it will always be the most useless poo poo taught in the worst way possible I got a math degree from a school where math majors were primarily math ed people and I 100% agree with this.
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May 11, 2021 17:57
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bear grylls should be teaching math
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May 12, 2021 02:13
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Shaggar posted:fair. its definitely doable and idk what the hell they teach kids these days xbox and myspace for all i know.
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May 12, 2021 02:32
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Shaggar posted:never let math majors have any input on the teaching of math because it will always be the most useless poo poo taught in the worst way possible same but programmers/programming
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May 12, 2021 04:45
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Stringent posted:admittedly my experience is skewed by not being in the US, but my impression from looking at my son's homework has been that anything beyond simple arithmetic (word problems or whatever) are made exceedingly difficult by textbook authors being utterly incapable of writing unambiguous problems. I think they're meant to be developing verbal comprehension or something but I can never tell if I'm missing something or if the authors just have no idea what they're doing
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May 12, 2021 07:44
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pointsofdata posted:I think they're meant to be developing verbal comprehension or something but I can never tell if I'm missing something or if the authors just have no idea what they're doing me and my wife read them and frequently can't understand the questions so i'm pretty sure a lot of them are poorly written
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