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Borrovan posted:Personally I'm actually prepared to give her a second chance Considering how hard she betrayed Corbyn, including saying she would kick thousands of members out of the party if she had to, I'd say that would be a massive mistake.
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She's a politician. I'd trust her in relativity to those in the profession, but not absolutely.
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TheRat posted:Considering how hard she betrayed Corbyn, including saying she would kick thousands of members out of the party if she had to, I'd say that would be a massive mistake. I still think she'd be a poo poo choice to replace Starmer, but that's more because it'd start a civil war that we probably can't win & also because she's a bit thick
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Just got my invite for the jab and I'm a sprightly mid 30s  Not seen it announced that the 30s have started. NHS England booking site still says 40+ But thought I'd mention it as I suspect 30s is the most common age range in here. Spots fill up FAST. I was gonna go for the 8:30 slot, in the time it took me to walk downstairs to check with my partner she'd be around to watch the dog, every slot up to 3pm had gone. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 13:42 on May 11, 2021 |
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Where do you live out of curiosity? My sister is 39 and three quarters and definitely hasn't been invited yet in south London.
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Despite betraying the left faction which promoted her to deputy she still seems to have tacit support from the trades unions and left, leadership is hers to lose at this point I think. She's trimming Starmer loyalists where possible to prepare the terrain for the next big gently caress up/tipping point. As much as you can't let the personal influence the political it'd be nice to have someone with a bit of background and not just another be-suited PPE clone.
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I’m 40 in August and about 6 weeks outside the current cutoff but haven’t heard anything from my GP yet. I just wanna gets stabbed with a needle!
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May 11, 2021 13:49
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How/when did she sell out the left exactly
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Some combo of not opposing Corbyn's expulsion or the purging of CLPs enough. What she could have done in those situations is a different matter but I'm also not hugely impressed by some of the most powerful politicians in the country perennially claiming their hands are tied as is convenient.
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peanut- posted:My sister is 39 and three quarters Noxville posted:I’m 40 in August and about 6 weeks could you imagine if this is how these posters found out they were related
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Rustybear posted:What she could have done in those situations is a different matter but I'm also not hugely impressed by some of the most powerful politicians in the country perennially claiming their hands are tied as is convenient. Must admit part of me is getting more and more irritated when people go "sorry we can't do [good thing] for [complex reason]" but "Oh we can always do [bad thing] because that's what we can do!" I'm starting to worry that seeing complexity as apriori bad is bad for me though.
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Borrovan posted:Rayner was the Momentum candidate I thought Dawn Butler was the lefty for deputy? I voted for her, anyway.
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jiggerypokery posted:UK is about 10% https://www.statista.com/statistics/317708/healthcare-expenditure-as-a-share-of-gdp-in-the-united-kingdom/ but has 10% less gdp per capita than germany https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/germany/uk Germany's healthcare system is an overpriced clusterfuck too - compulsory insurance which at least avoids the worst excesses of the American system through heavy regulation but can still leave you in a labyrinthine nightmare of overlapping and underlapping coverage and of course through atomisation leaves individual funds massively vulnerable to demographic shifts and predatory pricing by providers. Despite paying almost 50% more on average for their healthcare than the average UK citizen, Germans get a lower life expectancy and considerably worse outcomes on long-term conditions. Also the fact that the insurers are free to pick and choose customers, and maintaining insurance is a condition of visas being granted, allows them to deport any foreigner who suddenly stops being economically productive through ill-health. Unsurprisingly this is the exact model that most of the Tory party consider to be optimal (excluding the ones who want a straight-up American style free-for-all of course)
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jiggerypokery posted:How/when did she sell out the left exactly There was also supporting the suspensions, & I think there was a third thing on top of generally following Starmer 100% in every lovely thing that he did or didn't do. feedmegin posted:I thought Dawn Butler was the lefty for deputy? I voted for her, anyway.
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feedmegin posted:I thought Dawn Butler was the lefty for deputy? I voted for her, anyway. ("this is what grassroots bottom-up democracy looks like?" was the feeling)
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Why would you vote for raynor over butler The Labour Party sucks
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Borrovan posted:Same thing in Northern Ireland, the peaceful civil rights movement was violently crushed by the State so violence became the only solution: the problem isn't with that part of the argument, it's where people make the leap from "some violence is justified" to "therefore any violence is justified so I guess I'll just blow up a schoolbus or w/e". I mean, the mainline IRA very specifically did NOT do this. They attacked what they considered legitimate targets (soldiers/cops/Tory politicians) and phoned up the polis to warn when they'd placed bombs so that civilians could be evacuated. When the Real IRA didn't do that this happened and they basically were condemned by all their potential supporters and went out of business as a result. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 14:27 on May 11, 2021 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:Is there a similar bot for the Guardian? I'm sure it would show some equally disgraceful bootlicking I'll get right on it if there isn't.
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God Bournville is so drat nice. Love getting a reason to stop off here for a bit. Got some good photos of ducks. https://i.imgur.com/Y6pGfjk.mp4
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Dabir posted:God Bournville is so drat nice. Love getting a reason to stop off here for a bit. Got some good photos of ducks. poo poo chocolate tho
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Dabir posted:God Bournville is so drat nice. Love getting a reason to stop off here for a bit. Got some good photos of ducks. That's a terrible photo of a duck, sorry
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How's this?Dabir posted:Posting OC (Original Cwacktent)
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feedmegin posted:I mean, the mainline IRA very specifically did NOT do this. They attacked what they considered legitimate targets (soldiers/cops/Tory politicians) and phoned up the polis to warn when they'd placed bombs so that civilians could be evacuated. When the Real IRA didn't do that this happened and they basically were condemned by all their potential supporters and went out of business as a result. e: I guess it's a bit pointless debating which-IRA-did-what though, the point remains the same: political violence is sometimes necessary, but some right shady bastards tend to float up to the surface when political violence is going on. It's bogus when mainstream liberals use the shady bastards to condemn literally anyone resisting oppression, but pointing that out doesn't mean that the shady bastards aren't still bastards. Borrovan fucked around with this message at 14:39 on May 11, 2021 |
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Dabir posted:How's this? Better 
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Communist Thoughts posted:Why would you vote for raynor over butler Was it maybe an insurance thing? In the sense that they'd worked out that Rayner would pick up some votes from other factions of the party, so if the Momentum vote alone wasn't enough to get RLB in as leader, they wouldn't get in Butler either, but they might get Rayner in as a compromise candidate. Better to have a soft-left deputy than a not-left deputy, essentially. I think I went for RLB/Butler based on the advice of the thread? Memory's hazy. I can't believe it's only been a year and a bit, feels like ages ago.
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feedmegin posted:When the Real IRA didn't do that this happened and they basically were condemned by all their potential supporters and went out of business as a result. Borrovan posted:idk what you mean by mainline IRA but the Real IRA didn't exist in 1988
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Guavanaut posted:Midland Mainline IRA hijacked trains and delayed them for an hour without telling anyone. Presumably because it meant the trains got in earlier than people were expecting. GG, IRA.
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As a concept, an RLB/Rayner ticket was a good idea - RLB from the left, Rayner as a sop to the right, but sympathetic and not a wrecker. It was a good plan for unity. Unfortunately, it was also a plan made from an assumption of strength. It was quickly clear that RLB was on the back foot, and so that kind of politicking wasn't going to work.
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peanut- posted:Where do you live out of curiosity? My sister is 39 and three quarters and definitely hasn't been invited yet in south London. Hampshire
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Boris trying to distract from everything by inciting war with NI, great!
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Comrade Fakename posted:As a concept, an RLB/Rayner ticket was a good idea - RLB from the left, Rayner as a sop to the right, but sympathetic and not a wrecker. It was a good plan for unity. Rayner was never going to work as a sop to the right because she was firmly of the so-called "soft left". Who the Labour right barely tolerate as a necessity.
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Mega Comrade posted:Hampshire I'm in Oxfordshire, and my 38 year old wife just got a text to go get hers. I'm 40 and mines due tomorrow!
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forkboy84 posted:Rayner was never going to work as a sop to the right because she was firmly of the so-called "soft left". Who the Labour right barely tolerate as a necessity. Well, the relative right, if you prefer.
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Borrovan posted:Christians have been waging unprovoked wars of aggression on Muslims for like a thousand years, no amount of peace has stopped it, so the only remaining choice is to keep doing violence until the West gets the message that the only way to stop the violence is to stop invading the Middle East. It's a consistent narrative, with a strong factual basis. While I agree that violence isn’t always and everywhere something that has to be condemned, this is an, uh, interesting take on the early modern period. Where are the borders of the Middle East in their narrative?
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https://twitter.com/MENnewsdesk/status/1392121501403557892 Burnham is definitely going for the leadership. He's hoping this column will be the equivalent of Boris writing for the Telegraph while May was in charge, just a platform to get his policies across. A choice between Burnham and Rayner for leader would be tough I think. Neither are massively Lefty but Burnham started out poo poo and got better while Rayner started out good and is now poo poo. I'm not surprised people were encouraging Rayner to launch a challenge though. If she did the SCG could immediately say "gently caress you" and field their own candidate. The main thing that annoys me is that while the soft left have Rayner and Burnham to choose from there's nobody from the proper left that seems like a leader in waiting. Or even being groomed for the job. And that lack of planning is why RLB crashed and burned. jabby fucked around with this message at 15:32 on May 11, 2021 |
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jabby posted:I'm not surprised people were encouraging Rayner to launch a challenge though. If she did the SCG could immediately say "gently caress you" and field their own candidate. I was under the impression that a challenge necessitated a specific challenger not that it triggered a new leadership election with normal nomination rules? Also I dispute that Rayner was ever "good" she has always given off a very strong air of trying to ingratiate herself to any cause she can, see "I'm basically gay because i am working class" I don't at all understand why she was a supposedly left pick other than apparently RLB likes her which is more of an indictment of RLB than anything.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Where are the borders of the Middle East in their narrative?  OwlFancier posted:"I'm basically gay because i am working class"
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