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I mean Mandleson straight up lied about the level of contact he'd had with Starmer, so it's not all genuine self delusion. He knows Starmer followed his plan and failed, he just doesn't want to be tarred in association with his failed proxy
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May 12, 2021 09:12
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https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1392209976018489344 did not know there was a byelection in "batley and spen"
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May 12, 2021 09:14
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multijoe posted:I mean Mandleson straight up lied about the level of contact he'd had with Starmer  Borrovan posted:lmao what the gently caress does he think "progressive" means quote:There is a big culture battle going on. Progressive folk tend to wince at terms such as “woke” and “political correctness”, but the normal public knows exactly what they mean. quote:A progressive party seeking power which looks askance at the likes of Trevor Phillips, Sara Khan or JK Rowling is not going to win.
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May 12, 2021 09:16
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Who's trevor phillips and sara khan? Other than the insane creepy guy from GTA 5 who I would't actually be surprised that tony likes.
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The difference between the people Tonty lists & those others is that the former group like Tony Blair & are therefore, a priori, progressive
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May 12, 2021 09:23
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I sometimes wonder if galloway is not just a time travelling carl of swindon.
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May 12, 2021 09:24
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Guavanaut posted:No I still don't know what it means, it started off as AAVE, got used semi-ironically a lot, and now seems to just mean 'things I don't like'? It’s just a renamed ‘political correctness’ at this point, sub that in for any right wing comment for it and you can pretend you’re back in the 90s
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May 12, 2021 09:26
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PawParole posted:https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1392209976018489344 its the most recent constituency to have their MP assassinated and elected Tracy Brabin off of Corrie who now has to step down because she's just been elected Mayor of West Yorkshire Starmer's Labour has already been accused of trying to parachute Paul Williams in again (an MP who lost his Stockton South seat in 2019 for being an arch Remain supporter in a Brexit heavy area and from a Labour candidates shortlist of one lost the contest in Hartlepool, also a Brexit heavy area, last week)
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It's a lovely example of liberal thinking: of course every sensible person wants to see racism wiped out (the ends); they just object to the noisy demonstrations and direct actions needed to achieve it! (the means).
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May 12, 2021 09:32
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I am not very sure that tony wants to see racism wiped out.
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May 12, 2021 09:33
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Doccykins posted:its the most recent constituency to have their MP assassinated and elected Tracy Brabin off of Corrie who now has to step down because she's just been elected Mayor of West Yorkshire who names this?
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May 12, 2021 09:33
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Spen is probably a river, Batley is a town. So given it's west yorkshire probably scandinavians.
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May 12, 2021 09:35
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Excuse me Batley and Spen is a perfectly sensible name for a constituency, much like my own of Dulwich and West Norwood
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May 12, 2021 09:37
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OwlFancier posted:I am not very sure that tony wants to see racism wiped out. If he really wanted to, he could start by taking a solo sightseeing trip to Fallujah Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 09:44 on May 12, 2021 |
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OwlFancier posted:I am not very sure that tony wants to see racism wiped out.
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May 12, 2021 09:42
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PawParole posted:who names this? To be glib, the Boundary Commissions OwlFancier is right, Batley and Spen is the town of Batley south of Bradford and west of Wakefield, and the surrounding rural area to the west that the river Spen flows through
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May 12, 2021 09:43
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Spatley and Ben sounds like a 90s Nickelodeon show.
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Doccykins posted:its the most recent constituency to have their MP assassinated and elected Tracy Brabin off of Corrie who now has to step down because she's just been elected Mayor of West Yorkshire Jo Cox' sister is now rumoured to be standing for the seat for Labour.
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Guavanaut posted:Spatley and Ben sounds like a 90s Nickelodeon show. I'm gonna Spatley and Ben all over ur face
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u brexit ukip it posted:Jo Cox' sister is now rumoured to be standing for the seat for Labour. Ah so a candidate that nobody is allowed to be mean to! That'll allow Labours fantastic policies to break out through the shitposting left, that's bound to lead to success!
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May 12, 2021 09:51
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So can this voter id stuff be pushed back against or is it a definite at this point?
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May 12, 2021 09:56
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it's an intention for the next year so not a done deal, but with a mega majority it's hard to see how it doesn't happen maybe large numbers of tories could rebel for some unforeseen reason but seems unlikely a massive sustained popular campaign might do it, but the most likely pre-existing structure for that opposition, the labour party, clearly wants to focus on talking to people he think migrants should be microchipped or idk
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PawParole posted:https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1392209976018489344 Gotta hand it to Galloway his grift never lets up, guy is just fresh from an electoral kicking in Scotland and straight into losing another deposit in Yorkshire.
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PawParole posted:https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1392209976018489344 George galloway is such a political ambulance chaser, he really needs to find a fresh grift.
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Regarde Aduck posted:So can this voter id stuff be pushed back against or is it a definite at this point? Theoretically it can be stopped but in reality it's hard to see enough Tories rebelling to stop it from happening. Puntification posted:George galloway is such a political ambulance chaser, he really needs to find a fresh grift. But he just finished his latest grift, the Alliance for Unity in the Scottish election. They did even worse than Alba.
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Doccykins posted:its the most recent constituency to have their MP assassinated and elected Tracy Brabin off of Corrie who now has to step down because she's just been elected Mayor of West Yorkshire For what it's worth, I'm fairly sure the Paul Williams thing was just a joke by a twitter random making fun of Starmer.
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Regarde Aduck posted:So can this voter id stuff be pushed back against or is it a definite at this point? Probably not. The majority of the tories want it and the Labour right probably don't mind it much either, remember Blair wanted ID cards for everyone. I wrote to my MP (tory) about it and got the standard waffle about 'voter fraud' back. She didn't even acknowledge my concerns about minority voter suppression.
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Mega Comrade posted:I wrote to my MP (tory) about it and got the standard waffle about 'voter fraud' back. She didn't even acknowledge my concerns about minority voter suppression. She's a Tory MP, she probably didn't even realise it was a concern, just you were listing the good reasons for it.
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My dream is for Big Tonty to parachute himself into Batley and Spen (perhaps literally) and lose hilariously so we can all shut up about New Labour and 1997 for ever.
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Regarde Aduck posted:So can this voter id stuff be pushed back against or is it a definite at this point? Never interrupt your enemy when they are making. a mistake. The reason Labour is structurally hosed right now is that the electoral math means that they need a coalition that stretches all the way from liberal capitalist to actual socialist. That would take a once-in-lifetime political genius to hold together, and there don’t seem to be any candidates. Any regular politician is going to be faced with a smoke choice. Say nothing and lose support slowly, or opening their mouth and speeding things up Changing that, by allowing non-home owners to vote in greater numbers, means the political span of a winning coalition is smaller, and so easier to manage and argue for. You probably won’t get that, but it is worth a roll of the dice. I very much doubt Boris’s competence in being able to successfully weight the dice the way he would want.
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radmonger posted:Never interrupt your enemy when they are making. Sorry I'm just gonna stop you there; you've accidentally typed an extra period
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I have no idea of his political leanings, but I would vote for Paul Williams of Rainbow Connection/Daft Punk/Phantom of the Paradise fame so much. Waste of a good name there.
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radmonger posted:If only natural Tories are allowed to vote, then you have to convince fewer people (who are all Tories) to win! I'm a genius!
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Puntification posted:George galloway is such a political ambulance chaser, he really needs to find a fresh grift. He already identified the best grift, being a sex-cat on tv for money 
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Chubby Henparty posted:I have no idea of his political leanings, but I would vote for Paul Williams of Rainbow Connection/Daft Punk/Phantom of the Paradise fame so much. Waste of a good name there. I'd vote for John Williams. I don't know about his policies but more MPs entering the house to the Imperial March can't be a bad thing.
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https://twitter.com/PSCupdates/status/1392199687365664771 Always a right 'un.
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A starting salary of £82k would put those senior doctors in the top 5% in the UK by income1, so I can see why people might feel unsympathetic. But the income curve is so skewed at the top, so asymptotic, that I thought it might be illustrative to remind ourselves of how income is distributed in the UK and put doctors into perspective. The top 10% of earners (income over ~£43k in 2015)2 feel basically like normal folk and I imagine there are quite a few posting ITT. The top 1% (over ~£130k) are obviously raking it from the perspective of most of us, but the majority are also still workers in the sense that their money comes mainly from their employers. The fine folk of the top 1% pay about 30% of HMRC's income tax revenues, around the same portion as the 90-99% bracket  . Even then you're "only" making a quarter of the top 0.1% (~£520k): the relative difference between someone on minimum wage and a senior doc. The richest 0.1% also control 10% of the country's wealth, so you know we're getting into serious capitalist territory here, basically nobody is getting this just as a pay cheque. Once you get onto the lofty heights of the top 0.01% (who are ~5500 people getting over £2.2m) income quadruples again and from their perspective the difference between £12k and £100k is basically nothing. It's hard to go up another order of magnitude to the richest 0.001%, because you're looking at individual people rather than statistics and they really don't like their finances being inspected. In any case it doesn't make much sense to talk about their income in the usual way because whether they gain £10m or lose £50m is basically reliant on random fluctuations of the market and in any case it doesn't much matter to them - to break the top 500 wealthiest (not the same as highest income but I can't find those numbers) UK people you have to have over £250m stashed away3.All that is to say that sure, earning gently caress all and choosing between dinner and heat obviously feels very, very different to being a doc with a nice house in Zone 2 and a cottage in the Lakes. But the very top control so much wealth and take so much of the nation's productivity for themselves just for owning stuff that having a go at some guy who actually works for a living is pointless - to those on the top plane of income we all look like loving ants and they lend us about as much consideration. If some awful, awful catastrophe were to befall the top 0.1% basically no actual useful work would stop getting done - they'd all fit into the stands of a good sized football stadium like Anfield, remember, or onto the pitch in any standard sized grounds in the country. But we could all take a nice pay rise to console ourselves during the period of national mourning. I can't figure out exactly how much, but it seems like something on the order of another 25% of the total national salaries to divvy up as we choose. And since all that poo poo they own would still be around, like houses and factories and whatnot, I reckon we could find good use to put that stuff to as well. Much as it's frustrating reading about the out-of-touch opinions of the moderately well off in the lifestyle pages of the Guardian or among the Twitterati, it should be clear who the folk are to really have a go at. 1 Office of National Statistics: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/percentile-points-from-1-to-99-for-total-income-before-and-after-tax 2 All these numbers are from a 2019 Essex Uni Institute for Economic and Social Research study: https://www.iser.essex.ac.uk/research/publications/working-papers/iser/2019-06.pdf, their numbers are derived from HMRC and ONS. Obviously it's a few years old, but then income inequailty has only increased since. 3 Times rich list, you can look it up yourself. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 11:24 on May 12, 2021 |
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