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new law: you can only vote when someone you employ vouches for you in person
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May 12, 2021 09:46
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student id isnt acceptable id to vote but this is 
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May 12, 2021 09:51
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waitrose receipts don't even have photos on them although they may block guardian readers from voting just in case
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May 12, 2021 09:54
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if you’re voting and you don’t own property you’re basically committing voter fraud, as you don’t have a stake in the system
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May 12, 2021 10:57
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Even in the replies those in opposition to this believe providing free ID to everyone is an acceptable solution
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May 12, 2021 11:04
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The overton window shifts ever rightwards again
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May 12, 2021 11:21
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Would welcome a snap election just to see kier manage to do the full clegg and find a way to lose his seat
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May 12, 2021 11:26
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Starmer's in a mega-safe London seat, unfortunately. He got 64% of the vote in 2019 and I don't believe even he could gently caress up sufficiently to lose it one election later.
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May 12, 2021 11:34
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Kaveman posted:Even in the replies those in opposition to this believe providing free ID to everyone is an acceptable solution I've seen loads of Twitter takes of "but Northern Ireland requires voter ID and it hasn't affected turnout there". Voter ID was introduced in NI to try to quell rising support for Sinn Fein, who were running a huge grassroots campaign to get nationalists on the register. 10% of the existing registered voters were wiped off the register in the first year. And yeah, you can get a free electoral ID card in NI. Just turn up at the appointed time during office hours only, and bring your photographic driver's license or passport, along with your birth certificate or other proof of age, and proof of residency such as a utility bill or mortgage statement. All originals please, no photocopies allowed. No student IDs. No travel cards, unless you're over 60. No rental agreements. No mobile or internet utility bills allowed, but a landline bill is just fine.
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May 12, 2021 11:38
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https://twitter.com/amphitryoniades/status/1350150808009125890
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May 12, 2021 11:54
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drat that's good
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May 12, 2021 11:56
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Clyde Radcliffe posted:I've seen loads of Twitter takes of "but Northern Ireland requires voter ID and it hasn't affected turnout there". Wait.. So you still need a drivers license or passport to get the electoral ID card? What's the point then
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May 12, 2021 11:59
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https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1392410163190108162?s=19
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May 12, 2021 12:04
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Kaveman posted:Wait.. So you still need a drivers license or passport to get the electoral ID card? What's the point then I think that's in the second paragraph. It's just a voter suppression technique
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May 12, 2021 12:05
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that’ll make him more relatable
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May 12, 2021 12:27
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PawParole posted:that’ll make him more relatable
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May 12, 2021 12:45
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I used to do debt management and you really have to go some to get a ccj. Most companies would prefer to just constantly threaten you with court action on the off chance that you'll pay the amount in full out of fear rather than actually go to court and let a judge see that the debtor will obviously never be able to pay them back and set a legally binding payment plan of a quid a month forever. For 500 pounds as well, cheque must have gone missing in the post obviously
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May 12, 2021 12:57
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Ahh see I live at 10 Bowning Street, never got the letters mate sorry
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May 12, 2021 12:59
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i say swears online posted:new law: you can only vote when someone you employ vouches for you in person It's almost like that now with renting, filling in reference forms require an employers reference, tough luck if you haven't got an employer! Kybosh to all those Heil commentators who say lazy scroungers should get a job and if there are no jobs locally move to get one. No job = no employer's reference = no one's going to rent to you. Can't move = no job = spiral down continues. I nearly fell foul of that except dad had just died and I had more than a year's worth of rent sitting in a savings account (not belonging to me, but to move on elsewhere) and I sent them a bank statement showing that so I was in like Flynn.
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May 12, 2021 13:13
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V. Illych L. posted:no, but then they wouldn't have had anywhere near the purchase they ended up having Yeah sorry, I was being mostly glib. But I'm also one of those people who believes that the future for humanity is a borderless socialist utopia where everyone is everyone's brother or sister and we can take care of everyone equally and billionaires get shovelled into the recycling furnace but everytime that happens we do it without impacting the environment.
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May 12, 2021 13:42
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keithy george posted:Kuenssberg: "With the PM fighting for the soul of britannia around the clock against covid and europe, who is looking out for him? Clearly it is our turn to now help him out." Bung a Bob for big Bojo’s bailiffs
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May 12, 2021 13:42
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Kaveman posted:Wait.. So you still need a drivers license or passport to get the electoral ID card? What's the point then voter suppression, I think
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May 12, 2021 14:04
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An insane mind posted:Yeah sorry, I was being mostly glib. But I'm also one of those people who believes that the future for humanity is a borderless socialist utopia where everyone is everyone's brother or sister and we can take care of everyone equally and billionaires get shovelled into the recycling furnace but everytime that happens we do it without impacting the environment. yeah that for sure describes the EU - just ask Alan Kurdi how borderless it is, ask Yanis Varoufakis how socialist it is and ask any of the 628 billionares within the eu - who have, as it so happens, increased their wealth by about a trillion dollars in the last year - how hostile it is to their existance.
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May 12, 2021 14:19
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alternately you could ask any of the approximately 700 children who have drowned since Alan Kurdi how it represents progress and moving in the right direction.
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May 12, 2021 14:24
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CoolCab posted:yeah that for sure describes the EU - just ask Alan Kurdi how borderless it is, ask Yanis Varoufakis how socialist it is and ask any of the 628 billionares within the eu - who have, as it so happens, increased their wealth by about a trillion dollars in the last year - how hostile it is to their existance. Did I say that it was the EU that is this socialist utopia I'm envisioning? I'm pretty sure I said that I believe that it's the future for humanity. I just don't think becoming an insulated state is any better than being in the EU. The EU sucks and needs changing (preferably burning down and starting anew) Like, I'm not angry at you for wanting to leave the flawed EU I'm not angry at all. I'm just sad because the utopia I envision will not come about, no judgement towards you or any non-racist leave voters. I was just saying with that earlier post that it's easy for leave to go "Oh no it's democratic that we won the referendum and how dare you not just shut up and quietly accept it." It would have been smarter if they did, but leave would have absolutely thrown the same poo poo fits if they lost with as small a margin. Like, I honestly hope you don't think I was attacking you because that was absolutely not my intention. I just want people to take care of each other and the planet.
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May 12, 2021 14:46
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An insane mind posted:Did I say that it was the EU that is this socialist utopia I'm envisioning? I'm pretty sure I said that I believe that it's the future for humanity. Any socialist world can only be built on international federation and cooperation, but you don't construct that kind of system by building on the foundations of a bourgeois institution. You can't just reform your way out of the EU being an undemocratic super government that exists only to regulate a common market while letting all of its member states retain sovereignty. To change that in some kind of socialist direction would take no less than multiple socialist revolutions across Europe, and at that point the EU is rendered completely redundant. The institutions constructed by the EU won't even tolerate the development of socialism in a single state, because as is the case with Greece they will bring down the full force of the market to extract their price. Now I'm not saying here that it'd be easy for an independent state to construct socialism outside of the EU, but the UK would have a better chance of realizing socialism through Juche than staying in the common market. You just can't get the issue confused. A framework for cooperation between international bourgeois is not a framework for cooperation between nations and people. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 15:03 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 14:57
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Well it'd be nice for someone to reach socialism through Juche
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May 12, 2021 15:02
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An insane mind posted:Did I say that it was the EU that is this socialist utopia I'm envisioning? quote:I'm pretty sure I said that I believe that it's the future for humanity. quote:I just don't think becoming an insulated state is any better than being in the EU. The EU sucks and needs changing (preferably burning down and starting anew) Like, I'm not angry at you for wanting to leave the flawed EU I'm not angry at all. I'm just sad because the utopia I envision will not come about, no judgement towards you or any non-racist leave voters. I was just saying with that earlier post that it's easy for leave to go "Oh no it's democratic that we won the referendum and how dare you not just shut up and quietly accept it." It would have been smarter if they did, but leave would have absolutely thrown the same poo poo fits if they lost with as small a margin. i in fact voted for remain (as i have elucidated) i just did so on merit and not on my emotional connection to a fictitious post scarcity society with vulcans in it. i'm attacking you because you don't actually engage with the substantial merit nor material realities of reality and instead would rather subscribe to fairytales and build your world view on that basis, which tickles me very deeply.
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May 12, 2021 15:04
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Pistol_Pete posted:Starmer's in a mega-safe London seat, unfortunately. He got 64% of the vote in 2019 and I don't believe even he could gently caress up sufficiently to lose it one election later. The Greens took Bristol West. They might be in with a chance there.
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May 12, 2021 15:08
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Just as general advice: anybody lamenting the fact that they'll never realize their utopia is setting themselves up for terminal depression & apathy. You can never allow yourself to suppose that utopia is possible, because the conditions of its construction cannot be prefigured. The fact you even say it's the utopia "I" envision means you're putting too much value on your own ideological thinking, and that's not going to survive contact with any actually existing society. It doesn't matter what system or conditions we live under, because if you live in a society your personal vision for the world just isn't going to happen. If you were the god-emperor of Albion it probably wouldn't happen. The personal interests of individuals are inevitably at odds with each other. That's why socialism is a collective project which can only be envisioned and constructed through popular participation. People have to agree together on the ideal plan of action.
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May 12, 2021 15:15
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CoolCab posted:no, but you implied it, or at least as is quite often done, believed that given it is a supranational organization it must be closer than what exists - as quite often happens when you interrogate people on this issue you quite quickly find out that they in fact are not thinking about any brick and mortar institution in the world but in fact are thinking about the federation from star trek. There's no need to be this much of a dick, mate. Everyone gets to have dreams, and yer man there was being conciliatory towards you EDIT even if Pener Kropoopkin posted:Just as general advice: anybody lamenting the fact that they'll never realize their utopia is setting themselves up for terminal depression & apathy. You can never allow yourself to suppose that utopia is possible, because the conditions of its construction cannot be prefigured. The fact you even say it's the utopia "I" envision means you're putting too much value on your own ideological thinking, and that's not going to survive contact with any actually existing society. It doesn't matter what system or conditions we live under, because if you live in a society your personal vision for the world just isn't going to happen. If you were the god-emperor of Albion it probably wouldn't happen. The personal interests of individuals are inevitably at odds with each other. That's why socialism is a collective project which can only be envisioned and constructed through popular participation. People have to agree together on the ideal plan of action. this is also true, however
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May 12, 2021 15:15
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CoolCab posted:no, but you implied it, or at least as is quite often done, believed that given it is a supranational organization it must be closer than what exists - as quite often happens when you interrogate people on this issue you quite quickly find out that they in fact are not thinking about any brick and mortar institution in the world but in fact are thinking about the federation from star trek. Well I don't want to be that guy but I don't actually like Star Trek, as in at all. So I don't know where you got that. And I am trying to get educated. It's just I know a bit about being targeted from personal experience which made me very granola we need to care for eachother, you know? I've been pretty deep through that particular poo poo, both poverty and physical and mental abuse and I just don't wish that for anyone. Maybe you're right, and I am trying to face the reality of where we are and what we're doing but it's hard not to hope sometimes because otherwise the small things I can do aren't enough to keep me going. And I know how selfish that sounds but it is what it is.
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May 12, 2021 15:18
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https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1392484451045752834?s=20
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May 12, 2021 15:21
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feel like poo poo just want him back
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May 12, 2021 15:25
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:feel like poo poo
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May 12, 2021 15:31
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They will never forgive him for inspiring the proles to hope for anything above their station
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May 12, 2021 15:35
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:feel like poo poo welcome back m8
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May 12, 2021 15:38
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Barry Foster posted:There's no need to be this much of a dick, mate. Everyone gets to have dreams, and yer man there was being conciliatory towards you we can attack ideas, even the structure and foundational generation for ideas, without attacking each other. i am laying out a very precise critique and sometimes those aren't inherently conciliatory - even actively resistant. sometimes we believe conflicting things and we need to get a little rowdy with our discourse. An insane mind posted:Well I don't want to be that guy but I don't actually like Star Trek, as in at all. So I don't know where you got that. And I am trying to get educated. It's just I know a bit about being targeted from personal experience which made me very granola we need to care for eachother, you know? I've been pretty deep through that particular poo poo, both poverty and physical and mental abuse and I just don't wish that for anyone. Maybe you're right, and I am trying to face the reality of where we are and what we're doing but it's hard not to hope sometimes because otherwise the small things I can do aren't enough to keep me going. And I know how selfish that sounds but it is what it is. okay, well, in this specific instance you have - apparently inadvertently - adopted a very common position, that the EU is inherently good and is a concrete step towards whichever utopic vision of the future you prefer. also, it is somehow responsible for the post war peace in europe which, lmao. this is the consequence of the EU painting itself that way - as emblemized by their adoption of Ode to Joy, for example. this is how the EU describes itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg3sEE18WsE the EU is a peace project that tamed the warring nations, the EU is a celebration of supranational union and European pride and representative of a bold new step towards a bright tomorrow. listen to that music - you do not assign yourself one of the most bombastic and over the top pieces ever written without being a little up yourself. you need to understand exactly what they wish themselves to be if we are kind and of what they would cloak themselves as if we are not, because that understanding is critical in understanding what the EU actually is. a financial cartel dedicated to crystallizing the status quo and keeping ECB as the dominant power in the region, as the example of greece demonstrates. a white supremacist border patrol that drowns desperate brown bodies in the thousands in order to keep intranational squabbling and homegrown fascist racism down to manageable levels. a capitalist paradise far more dedicated and concerned with the affairs of the ultra wealthy than the poor even within it's armed borders, let alone the poor bastards of the global south. the eu is awful and has more or less always been awful. just because they made it so punitive to leave it became a terrible idea doesn't make it any less awful. if you want to really envision the EU i want you to go find that famous picture of Alan Kurdi and then relisten to Ode to Joy while staring at it because that is the EU.
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May 12, 2021 15:44
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Is Starmer facing leadership challenges yet? Or is he just planning to fold Labour into the Tories now?
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May 12, 2021 15:45
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Any socialist world can only be built on international federation and cooperation, but you don't construct that kind of system by building on the foundations of a bourgeois institution. You can't just reform your way out of the EU being an undemocratic super government that exists only to regulate a common market while letting all of its member states retain sovereignty. To change that in some kind of socialist direction would take no less than multiple socialist revolutions across Europe, and at that point the EU is rendered completely redundant. The institutions constructed by the EU won't even tolerate the development of socialism in a single state, because as is the case with Greece they will bring down the full force of the market to extract their price. I mean, I don't even disagree in principle that leaving the EU would have been worth it with a plan, but Corbyn's Labour couldn't have done it. And for the simple reason that Corbyn and the people around him could take nearly unlimited amounts of punishment themselves, but leaving the EU without still running your economy along EU rules, meaning for the benefit of your local and not so local oligarchs, means inflicting quite a lot of intermediate pain on your constituents. And I don't think they'd have been ready to do that. Like despite half a decade of drama I'm not sure that Brexit UK now has meaningfully more leeway for industrial policy than before and I fear it wouldn't have arrived at vastly better terms even under Corbyn. Jose posted:welcome back m8
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