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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I would still never use a DST in null. Some Sabre could just follow you and bubble you again if he really wanted since you generally take eons to align. (Probably unpopular opinion): Next change we need to see is a weapons timer for interdictors after they drop a bubble.
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Mederlock posted:(Probably unpopular opinion): Next change we need to see is a weapons timer for interdictors after they drop a bubble. They did this once for awhile and it was Very Bad
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Rust Martialis posted:I've eaten hàkarl, it's for sale at the airport. Just chew with your mouth shut. Apart from a mild tang, it's pretty inoffensive. If you breathe through your mouth, though, hobo pee smell. I too smell hobo pee smell and decide that whatever is emanating said smell should be eaten by me.
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Dik Hz posted:I won't claim CCP is good at their jobs or anything. But this feels like a halfway step towards something else. Sweet summer child. They don't even know what the next step is after the announce a change.
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May 12, 2021 21:01
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Agrikk posted:I too smell hobo pee smell and decide that whatever is emanating said smell should be eaten by me. Eh, hakarl is a food of necessity. It's a way to make a normally ammonia-ridden poison nuisance meat into something that can keep you alive through winter. Foods of necessity have a way of becoming intertwined with the culture that birthed them and surviving past their original utility. Lutefisk is the same way.
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CainFortea posted:Sweet summer child. They don't even know what the next step is after the announce a change. Bless your heart.
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 time.WCS changes: Meh. Only bots and cowards use stabs anyways. (And RonUSMC, but I'm repeating myself.) It might make hunting FRAT Ishtars a bit easier. The ability to only fit one kinda sucks for people who used to run gatecamps in highsec/lowsec using heavily stabbed DSTs; they'll need to switch to blockade runners now. Nullification changes: Nice for data/relic site runners and nullsec haulers. Bubble-immune stealth bombers are going to be absurdly powerful, both for bombing run setups and for doing initial tackle/cyno for blops. Actually buffs T3s. Fucks interceptors hard. Specific thoughts on inties: Travelceptors aren't dead yet, but they're nerfed pretty hard. With the role bonus, they can only push the Immunity button once every 95secs (20sec cycle time + 75sec reactivation delay); if two gates in a row are bubbled and they're close together, your immunity might not actually be up again by the time your gate cloak expires. Immunity is going to be really unattractive for fleet interceptors: * Even with a 50% role bonus, it's still going to be a 25% penalty to lock range. That cuts a Stiletto's lock range to 27km; fitting signal amps or ionic rigs is going to be mandatory. * The 50% lock speed penalty is even rougher on fleet ceptors; that's the same as if you fitted a WCS today. Stiletto drops to 606mm base -- that's 4 seconds to lock non-MWDing frigs, 3 seconds for cruisers. * Activating the module needs ~60% of a Stiletto's capacitor with an MWD fitted, or ~45% of an Ares with MWD. * The module needs a lot of CPU; some Crow and Ares fits may no longer be viable, even if all of the above was fixed. So, while it may still be an option, it's going to be a big-brains module now, not just "everyone undock Dramafleets." I suspect most inty fits will be non-nullified now. Other ships: T3 warp-in boosters get a minor buff out of this, I think. You're no longer required to fit the nullification subsystem -- now, it just gives bonuses to the nullification mod. So, they can probably take Chassis Optimization instead for the faster align time and an extra mid for tank. Frankly, I'm okay with this. Nullification was always a terrible idea for anything other than purely noncombat ships. e: CCP just updated their post to say that Nullification mods will now fit on all T1 and Faction frigates as well. Kinda a "meh" there in that none of them play a concrete role that is made more amazing by unbonused nullification. At most, it might make the Dramiel and Garmur competitive with fleet inties for tackle. e2: Yall, make sure to bubblewrap every drat gate on patch day, because it's gonna be a while before the nullification mods get built in quantity. e3: NVM the FW comment, I'm way out of date there as it turns out ullerrm fucked around with this message at 01:44 on May 13, 2021 |
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I am slightly disappointed that how nullification works is changing, but on the upside - I'm gonna' make so much bank off selling bubbles 
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Roaming is going to suck if this goes through. More reason to bubble gates so just moving your gang around takes longer, and your scout/tackle is now gimped so less likely to catch anything anyway.
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The real winners of this war is FRT now having a year to blast ahead industrially of anyone currently actively engaged in the war.
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Loky11 posted:The real winners of this war is FRT now having a year to blast ahead industrially of anyone currently actively engaged in the war. As if they've not been doing this already.
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Really not liking the prospect of nullified bombers, the hulls already punch way above their cost already.Loky11 posted:The real winners of this war is FRT now having a year to blast ahead industrially of anyone currently actively engaged in the war. Don't they still kowtow to panfam for some reason? Legit don't get why when panfam will stomp them for content as soon as they're bored with us. School Nickname fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 13, 2021 |
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WCS have been useful on my Epithals for runs to the customs offices. Fit two and most solo bombers can't keep you pinned down. Cloaky dictors still get you, of course. Being able to move through null-sec with a nullified BR might be interesting. Someone was posting earlier about making certain types of NPC missions easier this way. Edit: And yeah: it's going to be bombers. Bombers everywhere.
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Eh, it's worth pointing out that it costs a low mod slot and takes half the bomber's capacitor to fire. It'll lower the bar to entry to bombers, but doesn't necessarily make them more effective. PAPI's bombing group is up in arms on r/eve because apparently they fit WCS to all their bombers to improve the chances of bombers warping out before they die to Muninns / fast tackle, and that's not going to be as viable anymore. I mostly find this weird, but whatever, folks do things differently, and the meta evolves.
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the t1 faction frigates being able to be nullfied is pretty great. my favorite ship the astero is now essentially uncatchable
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ullerrm posted:in FW where plexing Tristans Where? A plexing Tristan?
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rocketrobot posted:Where? A plexing Tristan? Okay, never mind that. It's been some years since I did FW, and apparently since I've been gone they changed FW plexes so that you can't enter them if your ship has WCS equipped.
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ullerrm posted:Okay, never mind that. It's been some years since I did FW, and apparently since I've been gone they changed FW plexes so that you can't enter them if your ship has WCS equipped. They did yeah, so the farmers would take Ventures instead. By the time both had been banned, FW was dead, and it's never really recovered.
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I guess i have a not terrible character so I applied to get back in to GF. Is there like a discord or something to register on? (he asked, spyishly)
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Well, that was weird. Some PH guy got tackled in this by Delta Sqad thrashers, and ejected from it.
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ullerrm posted:Well, that was weird. Some PH guy got tackled in this by Delta Sqad thrashers, and ejected from it. cant gently caress up killboard if you give away your poo poo instead
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I don't know how much the thread has posted about this, but this does nothing to make travel interceptors catchable- it just makes it more annoying and difficult to travel in travel 'ceppies it took me 5 minutes to understand this from skimming the patch notes, and about 3 hours trying to convince the [morons] at talking in stations that the only additional travel interceptors that are going to get caught are 1) new players 2) dumb players 3) players so exhausted with lovely boring game mechanics that they cba to pay attention to the game
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:I don't know how much the thread has posted about this, but this does nothing to make travel interceptors catchable- it just makes it more annoying and difficult to travel in travel 'ceppies im 2/3 there so
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ullerrm posted:Well, that was weird. Some PH guy got tackled in this by Delta Sqad thrashers, and ejected from it. Gotta keep that killboard green.
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OzyMandrill posted:As with most times when CCP changes core mechanics for no obvious reason... this pretty much kills lowsec burst jamming as well, CCP really likes to gently caress with poo poo i do i guess
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real BDE when devs monitor your every move to find new ways to counter your play style
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i think the whole point of the nullifer changes is so its easier to chase gangs into a bubble gate camp, so a nerf to t3c bank robbers which makes sense since the main reserve is going to be available 'soon'
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I would still never use a DST in null. Some Sabre could just follow you and bubble you again if he really wanted since you generally take eons to align. DST has a 6.5 second align with afterburner, so it's either that or a 10second align with the mwd/cloak trick
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no one knows what CCP's intent is for any change, and they like it like this because it gives fanboys the wiggle room to argue on their behalf from a billion viewpoints. many times people state that CCP's goal is to "add the human to the game", basically requiring human input in more activities without knowing why that could be a benefit for example, requiring human attention for monotonous activities and making things just take longer to do for no reason other than 'adding the human element' you're just exhausting your playerbase, not every activity needs to have active brain input to do, but generally those should be more favorable.
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:'ceppies The gently caress is this happy horse poo poo?
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:I don't know how much the thread has posted about this, but this does nothing to make travel interceptors catchable- it just makes it more annoying and difficult to travel in travel 'ceppies Yes, it's still possible to travel mostly-safely in travel interceptors after this change goes in. But in order to do so, you need to spend a minimum of 80 seconds per jump, waiting for your module to refresh each time. That waiting time is going to counteract any advantages in warp speed that an interceptor has over a shuttle -- meaning that the only reason to use a travelceptor over a shuttle is the slim chance of surviving a pipebomb.
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ullerrm posted:Yes, it's still possible to travel mostly-safely in travel interceptors after this change goes in. But in order to do so, you need to spend a minimum of 80 seconds per jump, waiting for your module to refresh each time. yeah it's just what was the point of this change then? people can do whatever they wanted before it just makes it more annoying for everyone involved really weird change that no one can explain
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Scikar posted:They did yeah, so the farmers would take Ventures instead. By the time both had been banned, FW was dead, and it's never really recovered. In the amarr/minmil war zone our Intel suggests minmil are trained to avoid fights outside of small gang with the known fcs and there are a lot of farmers who will dplex with an insured empty Hull so even if they die they haven't lost anything It's stupid
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Eh, hakarl is a food of necessity. It's a way to make a normally ammonia-ridden poison nuisance meat into something that can keep you alive through winter. Foods of necessity have a way of becoming intertwined with the culture that birthed them and surviving past their original utility. Lutefisk is the same way. And haggis And blood sausage And holodets But I still won’t eat that starvation culture-food. Nuh-uh. No way,
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Agrikk posted:holodets 
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If both sides of a gate are camped wouldn't that 100% catch a intercepter? Turn the module on to get through the first bubble and the gate turns it off. You then have an 80 second timer on the other sider of the gate stuck in a bubble right? Or am I missing sonething?
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thats pretty much the idea but that requires both sides of the gate camped to be a problem. otherwise, you just make sure the module is off cooldown before jumping
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:for example, requiring human attention for monotonous activities and making things just take longer to do for no reason other than 'adding the human element' you're just exhausting your playerbase, not every activity needs to have active brain input to do, but generally those should be more favorable. It is all they can do when it comes to designing gameplay for PVE. Repetitive mind numbing activities that involve waiting for half the time (waiting for your mining barge to be full, waiting for your ship to kill the next rat). And you need to repeat that again and again and again to get any decent income. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csWA5JBJ9jQ Just watch this, and you'll get the CCP vibes immediately- Art team nails it, yet the gameplay devs can't create an interesting PVE experience that isn't just "shoot idiot NPC's over and over". High risk, or high input activities should with a high reward should be brought in to move people away from AFK (and bot friendly) gameplay. At least they're getting somewhere with abyssal PVE.
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angry armadillo posted:In the amarr/minmil war zone our Intel suggests minmil are trained to avoid fights outside of small gang with the known fcs and there are a lot of farmers who will dplex with an insured empty Hull so even if they die they haven't lost anything To be fair, the experience of most newbros going into novice plexes is "die horribly over and over to vets with blingy pods in pirate/faction frigs" - the smarter ones will learn how to dscan and what they can/can't fight, but a whole chunk are going to burn out long before they figure out what even is a Daredevil anyway? If I had to give advice to those folks in one sentence it would probably be "don't, unless you a) know your engagement profile properly, or b) are happy to get farmed a bunch". It's the same sorry story as everywhere else though, the area is supposed to encourage a particular activity (fighting for the plexes and being rewarded for winning), but the mechanics don't work out that way, so you make more money by working around them and you're left starving if you just want a reasonably fair fight. OMFG FURRY posted:i think the whole point of the nullifer changes is so its easier to chase gangs into a bubble gate camp, so a nerf to t3c bank robbers which makes sense since the main reserve is going to be available 'soon' What do you expect to change here? If I were in a cloaky nullified 100MN T3C, purely to raid ESS and run away, I'd do it with Pochven filaments in my back pocket and I'd just leave if I saw a bubble or a dictor on a gate. If I were looking for a fight then I'd use faction/pirate cruisers and BCs which aren't nullified anyway. I don't think you're likely to catch any more T3Cs after this change than you already did before.
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Scikar posted:you're left starving if you just want a reasonably fair fight.
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