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Herstory Begins Now posted:"you will not be a friend or ally to the palestinians" has traditionally been an unstated (possibly stated even?) part of the decades of aid packages the US funnels into Egypt by the billion. Most of the US aid into the region carries that stipulation. Perhaps. But in practice, Egypt's attitude toward Hamas and the border was hardly absolutist under previous administrations. Mubarak would temporarily open the border and pause the blockade if Israel ramped up the violence against Gaza too much, and the Morsi government considerably loosened border restrictions while ramping up political and diplomatic pressure against Israel. The Sisi government has been taking a much more hostile approach toward Gaza.
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DarkCrawler posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/mob-violence-a-bigger-threat-to-israel-than-gaza-says-netanyahu But he also thrives off it, so its just talk.
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May 13, 2021 18:43
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Lose votes to who? The other Zionist in the race? Yes. If they're both Zionist then they compete on other items and if one of them is Zionist and the other isn't, then yeah the single issue "will this one be Good For Israel" people will go to the other candidate.
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CommieGIR posted:But he also thrives off it, so its just talk. Yup https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/violence-and-mayhem-offer-benjamin-netanyahu-refuge-israel-palestinians
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https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1392900010421809152 https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1392905799949864960 lol he bribed the joint list, PawParole fucked around with this message at 20:10 on May 13, 2021 |
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Well this all worked as intended for Bibi, as usual
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PawParole posted:https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1392900010421809152 lmao Netanyahu really is an excellent loving tempter. Every time he looks like he's on the brink of defeat, he's able to convince someone that coming to his rescue will bring incredible rewards. No matter how many times he betrays and screws over whoever saved him, they never learn. Incidentally, the "direct election" bit is a smokescreen. The really important part is this one: https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1392906205970972675?s=20 The current election deadlock status quo is bad for Bibi, because as long as a new government isn't formed, Gantz continues to hold onto the Alternate PM seat - with the clock continuing to tick toward the automatic switchover in a few months. Getting that deadline overturned would be a tremendous mistake.
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Benjamin Net-Win Yahoo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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So civil war this time next year? I can't imagine Bibi sweeping this shitstorm under the rug and not having said rug start smouldering.
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By popular demand posted:So civil war this time next year? I can't imagine Bibi sweeping this shitstorm under the rug and not having said rug start smouldering. Between who?
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It will be defined as Jews vs. Muslims by the media but like every civil war ever it will get far too messy to be easily defined.
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By popular demand posted:It will be defined as Jews vs. Muslims by the media but like every civil war ever it will get far too messy to be easily defined. no haredi factions?
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IDF is going in https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1392953390443991040
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Main Paineframe posted:lmao Cui bono
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Main Paineframe posted:lmao Hey you could oust me out of government But you could also bomb and cleanse palestinians Doesnt have to tempt anyone when theyll run to genocide like starving hounds As for the PA, I dont know why they even try. maybe their arms are being twisted.
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I think Israel might have hit the power grid in Gaza. I'm watching the Reuters live stream and you can hear fighter jets and bombs going off in the distance and now almost all the lights are off. It could just be the normal power outages they have in Gaza though.
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Charliegrs posted:I think Israel might have hit the power grid in Gaza. I'm watching the Reuters live stream and you can hear fighter jets and bombs going off in the distance and now almost all the lights are off. Standard operation for them if so. Back during Operation Protective Edge they blew up the main power plant in Gaza and blamed it on Hamas.
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Reporter: Mr President, do you think Israel's response to the Hamas rockets has been an overreaction? Biden: Nah quote:U.S. President Joe Biden on Thursday said that he has not seen a "significant overreaction" from Israel in response to rocket fire from Gaza amid the latest regional flare-up.
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Breakfast All Day posted:In general, It’s this. Check out this loving minsters service from last night, talking about how great and kind Israel is being. And launching Knock bombs first to warn the folks to leave the buildings before they bomb them. Which is good actually or something https://youtu.be/LHdwzvMWvq0 Or don’t. But this is the marching orders being given out.
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Grouchio posted:Reporter: Mr President, do you think Israel's response to the Hamas rockets has been an overreaction? Biden really is a psychopath jesus
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May 14, 2021 00:48
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Gotta say, among the relatively good domestic news and the withdrawal from Afghanistan I was sort of hoping that American foreign policy would be a bit less blood-gargly for the next few years, but yeesh the response to this has been absolutely heinous from just about everyone you could think to name. It sure would be nice if Israel would stop making people crowd together in bomb shelters until after this global pandemic has been meaningfully addressed, but good loving luck getting literally anyone in English-speaking media to say that!
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I don't know what it would even take for us to stop letting Israel murder whoever they want whenever they want.
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There still doesn't seem to be a clear excuse for why Israel stormed a mosque filled with hundreds of people during ramadan.
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punishedkissinger posted:There still doesn't seem to be a clear excuse for why Israel stormed a mosque filled with hundreds of people during ramadan. second half of the sentence? Oh you said 'clear excuse for why'
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BougieBitch posted:Gotta say, among the relatively good domestic news and the withdrawal from Afghanistan I was sort of hoping that American foreign policy would be a bit less blood-gargly for the next few years, but yeesh the response to this has been absolutely heinous from just about everyone you could think to name. It sure would be nice if Israel would stop making people crowd together in bomb shelters until after this global pandemic has been meaningfully addressed, but good loving luck getting literally anyone in English-speaking media to say that! Not to go too hard on you, but I'm not sure why anyone would have assumed Biden would bring better foreign policy. He brought on Anthony Blinken. A recurring beat during the election revolved around Trump's ineptitude WRT regime change, and the return of competent hawks who dont order ice cream during CIA meetings.
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Yeah I never expected Biden to be better on FP stuff. Not that that excuses him, supporting Israel's pogroms is horrifying.
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BougieBitch posted:Gotta say, among the relatively good domestic news and the withdrawal from Afghanistan I was sort of hoping that American foreign policy would be a bit less blood-gargly for the next few years I don't know why you would expect that from Joe "if Israel didn't exist America would have to invent one" Biden
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Grouchio posted:Reporter: Mr President, do you think Israel's response to the Hamas rockets has been an overreaction? He is an eternal demon.
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It's depressing that the Arab countries barely even pretend to give a poo poo anymore. You used to hear a lot of concern in American media about the "Arab Street," and how fear of unrest in those countries could contribute to the US reining Israel in, but now at a time when Israel is as secure as it's ever been (the Second Intifada is a distant memory), but still refuses to engage in negotiations because they're confident in their absolute victory (and Netanyahu is both inherently a nationalist and utterly beholden to people even more extreme than he is to maintain power), the countries that used to stand up for Palestine couldn't care less. I know some of them have obviously had their own problems closer to home and the rest might just have atrocity fatigue after all the poo poo that's gone down in the region over the last few decades, but that attitude makes it really easy for the West to ignore what's going on.
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Sinteres posted:It's depressing that the Arab countries barely even pretend to give a poo poo anymore. You used to hear a lot of concern in American media about the "Arab Street," and how fear of unrest in those countries could contribute to the US reining Israel in, but now at a time when Israel is as secure as it's ever been (the Second Intifada is a distant memory), but still refuses to engage in negotiations because they're confident in their absolute victory (and Netanyahu is both inherently a nationalist and utterly beholden to people even more extreme than he is to maintain power), the countries that used to stand up for Palestine couldn't care less. I know some of them have obviously had their own problems closer to home and the rest might just have atrocity fatigue after all the poo poo that's gone down in the region over the last few decades, but that attitude makes it really easy for the West to ignore what's going on. What I find interesting is how the Arab countries that have recently established diplomatic ties with Israel seem to be completely silent about this latest flare up of violence. Like isn't one of the reasons why countries have diplomatic relations so that formal complaints can be made when one side is doing something horrendous?
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Terrorism is never acceptable, even for oppressed people. You have to work inside the system to affect change like civilized people. Now if you will excuse me I need to listen to Come Out Ye Black And Tans for the tenth time today, what a glorious and justified conflict
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Charliegrs posted:What I find interesting is how the Arab countries that have recently established diplomatic ties with Israel seem to be completely silent about this latest flare up of violence. Like isn't one of the reasons why countries have diplomatic relations so that formal complaints can be made when one side is doing something horrendous? The Gulf states as part of the dumb Abraham Accords? As if the monsters who run those emirates give a flying gently caress about Palestinians.
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Charliegrs posted:What I find interesting is how the Arab countries that have recently established diplomatic ties with Israel seem to be completely silent about this latest flare up of violence. Like isn't one of the reasons why countries have diplomatic relations so that formal complaints can be made when one side is doing something horrendous? They already sold the Palestinians out when they were building ties with Israel. They knew who Netanyahu was when they were dealing with him, and some of the leaders like MBS and MBZ are involved in atrocities of their own, so it's not like they have a deep moral objection. The only thing that will make Arab leaders care about Palestine again is if ignoring the problem starts causing them issues at home, because they see the Palestinians as a lost cause and would rather leverage ties with Israel to gain leverage on other issues.
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Neurolimal posted:Not to go too hard on you, but I'm not sure why anyone would have assumed Biden would bring better foreign policy. He brought on Anthony Blinken. A recurring beat during the election revolved around Trump's ineptitude WRT regime change, and the return of competent hawks who dont order ice cream during CIA meetings. Yeah, I dunno, I didn't really have positive expectations going into the campaign or at the start of the year, but making the pull-out from Afghanistan unconditional seemed like a meaningful step at least, and I thought there was someone below Blinken who had at least made the proper noises about recognizing Palestinian sovereignty some time back in Feb or March - I don't remember who it was now, and it's irrelevant since it clearly doesn't extend to actually DOING anything, but I guess the joke's on me for having any hope about the situation for people living in the Middle East getting even marginally less terrible Edit: Yeah, definitely agree to the above, Israel went out of their way to normalize relations with anyone who had ever said anything previously at the same time that they denied medical care and vaccine access to the people in Gaza, not that their condemnation would have really DONE anything since none of their neighbors is in any position to actually act to help Palestinians Edit 2: Here's some of the previous hopeful spin that people were peddling as recently as a couple months ago: https://www.voanews.com/usa/un-biden-administration-backs-separate-state-palestinians https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/biden-administration-quietly-ramping-aid-palestinians-76790948 https://www.jns.org/memo-biden-administration-aims-to-reset-relations-with-palestinians/ https://www.arabnews.com/node/1839141/middle-east I think the specific person I might have been thinking of is the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Israeli and Palestinian Affairs, Hady Amr, who seems to be generally regarded as not especially pro-Israel, but it might have been someone one step higher on the ladder I think there was also some thing early on where the embassy in Jerusalem was labeled as the US embassy for Israel and Palestine on Twitter or something, but it was a while back and it doesn't say it anymore so that could have been a fever dream BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 02:20 on May 14, 2021 |
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Charliegrs posted:What I find interesting is how the Arab countries that have recently established diplomatic ties with Israel seem to be completely silent about this latest flare up of violence. Like isn't one of the reasons why countries have diplomatic relations so that formal complaints can be made when one side is doing something horrendous? A lot of countries that don’t love Israel also don’t really love hamas. They want Palestine but don’t specifically see hamas as the legitimate government so don’t really like bad treatment of West Bank but would like Gaza retaken back by the Palestinian authority.
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