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I've just found out that an old cartoon I liked is actually on Amazon Prime:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Transylvania-Pet-Shop-Season-1/dp/B00ET0WK5A Did not expect that. Might buy the first season later on, been meaning to check out that one, see how it aged.
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Let's not forget another show from the 90s that drifted into more serialized storytelling: Beast Wars. It's honestly amazing how many things that would normally be setbacks ended up making that show work: "Oh we don't have the budget to have more than a dozen character models? We'll just have a small cast and focus on characterization!" "Oh all the characters on our show are alien robots? Sweet, that means we can have them shoot each other and suffer horrific injuries and the censors won't get on our rear end!" "Oh we need to market a new wave of toys but still don't have the budget to have more than a dozen character models? gently caress it, we'll kill off a bunch of characters to make room for the new ones and move the story forward!" Also: One of the other major setbacks of Danny Phantom was that it focused on high schoolers, which meant Butch Hartman was legally obligated to cram it full of all his issues about being picked on in high school, delivered with the subtlety of a brick to the face...
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# ? May 11, 2021 22:38 |
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for the 90s, at the top of my head we had: - X-men TAS - Spiderman: TAS - Silver Surfer - Gargoyles - Pirates of Dark Water - Superman: TAS - Conan: The Adventurer - The "red sky" season of TMNT - Mighty Max (sort of. a lot of episodes were standalone but there was a larger overarching storyline) - Reboot - Beast Wars Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 00:54 on May 12, 2021 |
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My favorite things about the 90s Spiderman cartoon were the overly complex, bombastic nested titles—Sins of the Father: The Eternity Syndrome, Part II.
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# ? May 12, 2021 00:29 |
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Mr Interweb posted:for the 90s, at the top of my head we had: You're forgetting Batman: TAS and Transformers: Beast Wars aka the best Transformers.
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# ? May 12, 2021 00:41 |
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Geo Fixer posted:You're forgetting Batman: TAS and Transformers: Beast Wars aka the best Transformers. poo poo good point. same with reboot. however, did Batman have that? i thought about it but didn't include cause i couldn't think of any long story arcs.
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Mr Interweb posted:speaking of W.I.T.C.H., what's the verdict on it? i caught a couple episodes back in the day and it seemed decent. It's pretty good.
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KingKalamari posted:Let's not forget another show from the 90s that drifted into more serialized storytelling: Beast Wars. It's honestly amazing how many things that would normally be setbacks ended up making that show work: "Oh we don't have the budget to have more than a dozen character models? We'll just have a small cast and focus on characterization!" "Oh all the characters on our show are alien robots? Sweet, that means we can have them shoot each other and suffer horrific injuries and the censors won't get on our rear end!" "Oh we need to market a new wave of toys but still don't have the budget to have more than a dozen character models? gently caress it, we'll kill off a bunch of characters to make room for the new ones and move the story forward!" While there was definitely a fair share of 80's/90's cartoons that had some serialization I'd say it didn't become prominent until the mid to late 2000's.
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# ? May 12, 2021 01:44 |
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Batman had a couple two-parter episodes, but otherwise it was pretty solidly episodic. I guess the first season had Harvey popping up a couple times before turning into Two-Face, but other than that, I think the only episodes that definitely referenced previous episodes was how Harley Quinn got established as a long-term character despite being developed as a one-off henchman. Just because B:TAS was real good doesn't mean it had everything. S:TAS, Beyond, and even The Batman had more in the way of overarching narratives. X-Men, its contemporary, got pretty drowned in the melodrama of its continuing narratives, and that's a big part of why it's not remembered as fondly as the timeless, more contained B:TAS. And looking at VHS release dates, the first official release of B:TAS was in '97, despite the series coming out in '92, so it wouldn't really have been able to benefit from being serial in the same way that X-Men did when X-Men got released on VHS at about the same time it aired in numbered boxes so you can follow the story linearly (assuming you know how numbers work, which I uh...might've not at the time I started watching) and feasibly fill in the gaps of what you haven't seen. You really need official home media releases to get a relatively short but overarching story to be understood by the audience, because it's such a stark difference between my experience just happening to see part of the Red Planet miniseries and having to wonder what the hell that was all about for years, and my experience missing a bunch of season 2 of Avatar and just being able to find and watch it on Youtube (and of course, these days a lot of companies are much better about providing ways to more legally find and watch their content if you didn't stick to the scheduling).
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# ? May 12, 2021 01:53 |
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Batman TAS and Superman TAS were indeed highly episodic but they did have soft continuity that becomes much more apparent when you take a look at them now on HBO Max. Batman had Harvey Dent episodes before he becomes two-face (as you mention), but also episodes before and after Robin, before and after Batgirl, and even eventually the new Robin and Nightwing (with the production change). Superman meanwhile had a slow burn escalation with Darkseid where it's mostly just Bruno Manheim doing boom calls to Apokolips, then Kalabak, then Orion shows up and there's a full bore invasion, and then nothing for a while before they bring it back for the series finale. But overall you are correct: we would not really call them serialized stories. If you want to talk about forgotten highly serialized cartoons there's always the Saban-created XYBER 9 NEW DAWN that no one saw and no one cared about but it really really really wanted to be anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srlc7-QxGM4
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# ? May 12, 2021 02:44 |
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Gargoyles is a big one for serialization in the 90s.
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# ? May 12, 2021 03:00 |
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I am one of the 5 people that loved that show
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# ? May 12, 2021 03:01 |
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The one problem with heavily serialized shows is the time I missed an episode of Ghost in the Shell and it was the one episode where they actually explained the plot.
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# ? May 12, 2021 03:02 |
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The cool thing about all the Marvel animated series from the 90s is that they all were kind of terrible yet have become lodged in peoples' brains as the "definitive" version of those characters and stories (Gambit and Jubilee owe their careers to X-Men TAS and the Spider-man TAS version of the Black Suit/Venom saga has completely supplanted the original comics version to a ridiculous degree.)Geo Fixer posted:Transformers: Beast Wars aka the best Transformers. Beast Wars is a weird way to spell Animated.
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Funky Valentine posted:The cool thing about all the Marvel animated series from the 90s is that they all were kind of terrible yet have become lodged in peoples' brains as the "definitive" version of those characters and stories (Gambit and Jubilee owe their careers to X-Men TAS and the Spider-man TAS version of the Black Suit/Venom saga has completely supplanted the original comics version to a ridiculous degree.) The 90s Spider-Man cartoon did a lot of very efficient direct adaptations of specific comics issues and arcs. Its version of the Venom arc, unbound from Secret Wars Marvel Cosmic Crossover Stuff, was the first streamlined version of the story in a really effective way. quote:Beast Wars is a weird way to spell Animated. animated is good but it didn't get a real ending. DoctorWhat fucked around with this message at 03:09 on May 12, 2021 |
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TwoPair posted:Wait what. Maybe it's that I am trans and swim in trans circles, but I see that take fairly often when Danny Phantom is brought up. DoctorWhat posted:animated is good but it didn't get a real ending. There is that fan comic from Botcon though.
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# ? May 12, 2021 04:10 |
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Mr Interweb posted:for the 90s, at the top of my head we had: Oh poo poo Conan! I watched the poo poo out of that back in the day and then totally forgot it existed.
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# ? May 12, 2021 05:47 |
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Funky Valentine posted:The cool thing about all the Marvel animated series from the 90s is that they all were kind of terrible yet have become lodged in peoples' brains as the "definitive" version of those characters and stories (Gambit and Jubilee owe their careers to X-Men TAS and the Spider-man TAS version of the Black Suit/Venom saga has completely supplanted the original comics version to a ridiculous degree.) Because I spelled it correctly. Animated is only second best.
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The United States posted:Batman TAS and Superman TAS were indeed highly episodic but they did have soft continuity that becomes much more apparent when you take a look at them now on HBO Max. I want to say that Justice League Unlimited was probably the one with the best continuity?
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The_Doctor posted:I want to say that Justice League Unlimited was probably the one with the best continuity? That's when they go all in on story arcs, yeah, and even start bringing back stuff from STAS that had been seemingly forgotten. (Lex being possessed by Brainiac) And there's a few intersecting storylines in JLU, with the Cadmus arc and the League's reputation, the rise of the totally-not-Legion of Doom, and individual arcs with Green Arrow, and John and Shayera.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's when they go all in on story arcs, yeah, and even start bringing back stuff from STAS that had been seemingly forgotten. (Lex being possessed by Brainiac) And there's a few intersecting storylines in JLU, with the Cadmus arc and the League's reputation, the rise of the totally-not-Legion of Doom, and individual arcs with Green Arrow, and John and Shayera. One of the best continuity callbacks was the Starro invasion in Batman Beyond hailing from that Lobo episode of Superman TAS, that was really cool to see play out.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:the rise of the totally-not-Legion of Doom,
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The_Doctor posted:I want to say that Justice League Unlimited was probably the one with the best continuity? it definitely did, but it was also a mid 00s show.
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Covok posted:Maybe it's that I am trans and swim in trans circles, but I see that take fairly often when Danny Phantom is brought up. Fair enough, I mainly just remember DP as a show with a fairly unique premise (to this day I can't really think of any superheroes with "ghost powers" aside from like, literal ghosts like Deadman from DC) that I really liked, I never really followed any fandom of it; there's probably a lot of unique readings/fan stuff that I've never heard of. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 16:34 on May 12, 2021 |
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An aspect I liked in the season that everyone hated was how Danny's powers were evolving - I liked the idea that the ghost-breath was part of a natural coldness in ghosts that Danny could tap into for ice powers.
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i liked danny developing more powers, but the one thing that grinded my gears was that the ghostly wail became his most powerful ability. i mean, it's a cool attack on its own, but also seems kind of... basic?
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Here’s our first look at the upcoming Netflix He-Man sequel: https://comicbook.com/anime/news/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-first-look-netflix-kevin-smith/
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Looks a bit like the 2000s one from my memory.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Looks a bit like the 2000s one from my memory. Yeah, I’m getting that vibe too (looks decent at the very least though but I’ll have to see it in motion before passing final judgment). I am curious how they’re going to make a direct sequel to a 30+ year old cartoon accessible to new viewers though.
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Larryb posted:Here’s our first look at the upcoming Netflix He-Man sequel: I wonder if it will bring back sexy handsome skeletor? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vy4NTFcQbE
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Also, Mark Hamill as Skeletor is an inspired casting choice (I wonder how much of the Joker will wind up finding its way into his performance) I guess this means the 1990 series isn’t canon anymore then Larryb fucked around with this message at 01:24 on May 14, 2021 |
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Anime Eyes Orko is very disturbing.
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# ? May 14, 2021 01:40 |
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oh good, glad i'm not the only one that thought it looked super similar to the 2002 series.
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# ? May 14, 2021 01:47 |
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As someone else mentioned, I like that Adam and He-Man actually look like they could be different people this time around (as opposed to the original where they pretty much looked exactly the same except the former wore more clothes)
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# ? May 14, 2021 01:58 |
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i've mentioned it before, but it's such a shame that the 2002 series turned out to be kind of lame. especially since it had (on paper) all the ingredients for what could have been a top tier series. the animation in particular was probably the best for that period for an american show. hopefully this new one is better
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Mr Interweb posted:i've mentioned it before, but it's such a shame that the 2002 series turned out to be kind of lame. especially since it had (on paper) all the ingredients for what could have been a top tier series. the animation in particular was probably the best for that period for an american show. hopefully this new one is better Despite its reputation in the fanbase I actually kind of have a soft spot for SPoP and wouldn’t mind the creators taking another crack at the franchise. Also am I correct in saying there are two He-Man cartoons on the horizon (this and another show that’s more of a straight reboot)? If so, do we know anything about the latter yet?
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...i was going to say that it looks like if they had made a He-Man cartoon in the early 00s. Forgot all about the He-Man cartoon from that exact era.
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I was kinda hoping they'd change things more like She-Ra instead of just making the 80s cartoon style but now digitally animated.
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Xelkelvos posted:I was kinda hoping they'd change things more like She-Ra instead of just making the 80s cartoon style but now digitally animated.
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Xelkelvos posted:I was kinda hoping they'd change things more like She-Ra instead of just making the 80s cartoon style but now digitally animated. Apparently there’s a straight reboot of MOTU coming in addition to Revelations but I think it’s being handled by a different team. But yeah. seeing Dreamworks take a crack at the He-Man side of things could have been interesting.
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