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Of course the SNP want a referendum, as soon as the possibly can get one, and ideally when the wind is blowing their way and the can get a majority. Pretty disengenuous to write it off a decades long poltical movement as a LARP.
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The Nats are never going to risk a new referendum until the polls are showing a steady 60% in favour and they're nowhere near that right now. They can't risk losing 2 referendums within a few years of each other: that really would kill off independence for a generation. There'll be no new referendum unless and until the Nats can be sure of winning it (which I agree is the sensible thing to do).
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Communist Thoughts posted:Why is this? Because when people like Angus Robertson, Nicola Sturgeon & most of the rest of the MSPs joined the SNP it wasn't a cushy job guaranteeing government for life. There's an awful lot of true believers. That probably changes the long they are in forever-government, but it's not like it's been that long since being in the SNP as a politician gave you little chance of being more than a councillor as there was no Holyrood & they'd only get 5-10 MPs.
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May 14, 2021 12:47
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Is that the island that Alex Salmond is being exiled to so he can't keep trying to sex touch people?
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For whoever was asking about the "loving magnets, how to they work" vaccine thing - there's been a bunch of antivax vids circulating showing magnets "sticking" to vaccination sites. That the magnets are almost always light, metallic and disc-shaped, they only seem to try the vaccination site and not, say, the other arm and, nobody involved has noticeably dry skin are all factors that are just planted there by the illuminati.
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May 14, 2021 12:49
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They're fundamentally incapable of actually learning anything from this but still, it's going to be funny rubbing their noses in it. https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1393115890770751489
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May 14, 2021 12:50
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Communist Thoughts posted:Why is this? I know that right now British politics is fully dominated by people who relentlessly triangulate for political power and their own personal enrichment, but it wasn't that long ago that Labour had a leader who genuinely believed in something. The reason the SNP wants to have a referendum in the next parliament is that they really are Scottish Nationalists.
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forkboy84 posted:Because when people like Angus Robertson, Nicola Sturgeon & most of the rest of the MSPs joined the SNP it wasn't a cushy job guaranteeing government for life. There's an awful lot of true believers. That probably changes the long they are in forever-government, but it's not like it's been that long since being in the SNP as a politician gave you little chance of being more than a councillor as there was no Holyrood & they'd only get 5-10 MPs. Hopefully that's true still. Cause yeah the reality of being an SNP MSP will have changed very drastically and as you say changes more with every passing month they are guaranteed permanent government and the banal corruption you get with any long term incumbent begins to stack. I don't think it can have escaped their attention that the (pretty wishful imo) narrative is that once independence happens the SNP lose power and some of them lose their jobs/telly appearances
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Guavanaut posted:Is that the island that Alex Salmond is being exiled to so he can't keep trying to sex touch people? ah nivur tuched them weemin
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Reveilled posted:I know that right now British politics is fully dominated by people who relentlessly triangulate for political power and their own personal enrichment, but it wasn't that long ago that Labour had a leader who genuinely believed in something. The reason the SNP wants to have a referendum in the next parliament is that they really are Scottish Nationalists. I absolutely don't believe this virtuous idealist politician narrative. But I am willing to be proven wrong! I don't know poo poo Just when I analyse politics it's a) whether there's a route for it to happen and b) whether the people who can do it are incentivised to do so If the incentive here for an incumbent government with no rivals is just idealism it seems like it would be outweighed Especially trying to do something really hard that the UK is probably willing to kill to stop
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jiggerypokery posted:The SNP are in a tricky position because their electoral result isn't a referendum mandate because Sturgeon is genuinely popular. There was a video clip of someone asking her "if I want you to run the covid response but don't want a referendum, how do I vote for that" She replied, "Vote SNP." i thought i remembered it differently so I tracked down the quote (46:40 here) and the question is, "They said, actually I would like Nicola Sturgeon to keep being the First Minister... what they also said is, they don't want another independence referendum during the recovery, so what are they meant to do? If they want you, but don't want independence?" Which is a bit of a fine distinction and nicola probably should have been careful on how quick of a soundbite she gave, but that's still a different thing - the SNP was always saying they wouldn't have the next referendum during the ambiguously defined concept of "the recovery", and if you don't want independence then you can just vote No. I don't think it contradicts anything they were already saying. More broadly, if a person voted SNP then they must/should have known that they were in favour of an independence referendum. If they took that as a cost they were willing to take for the covid response, then sure, but I don't feel like they can really complain if an independence referendum then happens.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:For whoever was asking about the "loving magnets, how to they work" vaccine thing - there's been a bunch of antivax vids circulating showing magnets "sticking" to vaccination sites. Some old/Eastern European/navy/prison tattoos are ferromagnetic, and it just means you have to notify in advance if you're getting an MRI and that's about it. Or is it one of those things that's supposed to prove that it's a 5G tracking microchip? In which case why didn't Bill Gates use a non-magnetic chip like 99% of them are? It's fractal layers of dumb.
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crispix posted:ah nivur tuched them weemin Untrue, he admitted touched them women but they wanted it so it's fine in his opinion.
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Communist Thoughts posted:I absolutely don't believe this virtuous idealist politician narrative. But I am willing to be proven wrong! I don't know poo poo I would say they are ideologs not idealists. And there will still be plenty of cushy jobs for folk in an indy Scotland. Even more in fact.
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Guavanaut posted:I still don't get it though, even if it was magnetic, then what? And even moreso, it's not like bill gates can't just track someone he wants in a million better ways, including but not limited to just getting someone to hire some private detectives to do it.
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forkboy84 posted:Because when people like Angus Robertson, Nicola Sturgeon & most of the rest of the MSPs joined the SNP it wasn't a cushy job guaranteeing government for life. There's an awful lot of true believers. That probably changes the long they are in forever-government, but it's not like it's been that long since being in the SNP as a politician gave you little chance of being more than a councillor as there was no Holyrood & they'd only get 5-10 MPs. Eh it's been a while. The SNP won 35 seats in the 1999 Holyrood election when Sturgeon was elected as a list MSP at the age of 28 and Angus Robertson was only 31 years old when he won his Westminster seat in 2001. I'm not having a go or accusing them of being grifters but it's not like they spent years and years of their adult life not working comfortably full time in politics.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:For whoever was asking about the "loving magnets, how to they work" vaccine thing - there's been a bunch of antivax vids circulating showing magnets "sticking" to vaccination sites. When I starting reading this I thought you meant vaccination site as in "a building" and thought it was even dumber. Kinda sad I kept reading and shattered the illusion tbh
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Kinda sad I kept reading This is a common side-effect of my posts, yes.
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If the Bill Gates tracker is so great, why does Google Maps think I live in Sheffield or even Glasgow instead of South Wales? And this very morning, it thinks I'm in Bristol - I suppose that is only about 12 hrs walk away. (For those unsure, I do know that Google and Bill Gates are unrelated. Or are they? Just putting myself in  mode)
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Aramoro posted:I would say they are ideologs not idealists. And there will still be plenty of cushy jobs for folk in an indy Scotland. Even more in fact. Yeah that candidate got slammed for saying a customs border with England would create jobs, but technically she was right.
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Angepain posted:i thought i remembered it differently so I tracked down the quote (46:40 here) and the question is, "They said, actually I would like Nicola Sturgeon to keep being the First Minister... what they also said is, they don't want another independence referendum during the recovery, so what are they meant to do? If they want you, but don't want independence?" Nice work, I was quoting a friend who told me about it rather than having seen the clip first hand. I can't watch iPlayer here (I am in Spain)
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Do you think adonis whispers prayers to blair before he sleeps at night? I think he has a prayer mat made out of 1997 campaign posters pointed at sheffield. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 13:19 on May 14, 2021 |
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Aramoro posted:I would say they are ideologs not idealists. And there will still be plenty of cushy jobs for folk in an indy Scotland. Even more in fact. more jobs maybe, cushy jobs though? i dunno. independence is gonna be hard work which is not really what MP/MSPs are into traditionally. i doubt they wanna be customs agents and you'd have an economic downturn first presumably coz the UK isnt gonna play nice
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Pledge cards.
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UKMT: Kinda sad I kept reading
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Get you a man who looks at you like andrew adonis looks at tony blair.
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Communist Thoughts posted:more jobs maybe, cushy jobs though? i dunno. independence is gonna be hard work which is not really what MP/MSPs are into traditionally. You think the people in power would suffer any ill effects of an economic downturn?
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West Streeting has been diagnosed with kidney cancer. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/14/labour-mp-wes-streeting-diagnosed-with-kidney-cancer quote:Labour’s shadow child poverty secretary, Wes Streeting, is to step back from frontline politics for a period to have treatment for kidney cancer, he has announced.
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Aramoro posted:You think the people in power would suffer any ill effects of an economic downturn? Potentially if the UK decides to be punitive But where are the cushy jobs coming from? Are there more directorships in an independent Scotland than in the UK?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:West Streeting has been diagnosed with kidney cancer. How is he only 38? Feels like he has been around forever. I suppose his terrible opinions make a bit more sense at least. Hope he gets better mind, people are people.
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Oh my. Special press conference happening this afternoon, and there is speculation that the long-awaited easing of restrictions on Monday might be cancelled :O
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If only we listened to the ‘30-50 Feral Hogs’ guy. Now we are doomed to be forever under the hoof of porcocracy! ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 14:09 on May 14, 2021 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:I absolutely don't believe this virtuous idealist politician narrative. But I am willing to be proven wrong! I don't know poo poo I mean, I don't fault you necessarily for being cynical, but I think it requires jumping through a few too many hoops to assume that people can't have terminal goals other than their own personal advancement. It becomes, in my view, too hard to explain for many people. Like, to take an example from Irish independence, Constance Markiewicz was born into the Anglo-Irish nobility, her father was a baronet, she married a Polish count*, and she could have lived out her life happily as a member of the Anglo-Irish nobility. Instead, she became a revolutionary socialist and was one of the leaders of the Easter Rising (and was upset that her death sentence for it was commuted purely on account of her sex). Later, she became the first woman elected to the House of Commons (though she never took her seat) and later Ireland's Minister for Labour, only the second woman in European history to hold a cabinet position. Now, arguably she had more personal power and influence as a revolutionary than she would have as a high-society lady, so it's conceivable that she was acting in this way purely because she was materially incentivised by the promise of that power. But does that seem more likely than the alternative explanation, that she truly and genuinely believed in the cause of Irish Independence? Not to me, at least. For a more recent example, what better explains the more recent example of Catalonia? Did their politicians hold a referendum because they were materially incentivised to do so? I don't think anyone was truly surprised that Spain forcefully shut down any avenue for independence, nor do I think it was a major shock when they indicted the senior members of the Catalonian cabinet for Sedition. So I think we can certainly say that whatever the intent, the leaders of Junts pel Sí were not enriched by their decision. Maybe they were acting purely in their own interest and it all blew up in their face, but I think it's more likely that their terminal goal was Catalonian independence, and they took actions which they believed would bring them closer to that goal. *Actual title disputed Reveilled fucked around with this message at 14:13 on May 14, 2021 |
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Oh my. This is bad for Piers Corbyn
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In lighter news Rishi looks set to kick off Pass out to help out: https://www.companydebt.com/features/124-pints-to-save-the-pub/ some clickfarming from a financial services company posted:124 Pints per Adult Required to Save the British Pub
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