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Judgy Fucker
Mar 24, 2006

Rah! posted:

"nasheed" is the word ur looking for i think

Atrocious Joe posted:

I'm pretty sure it's a nasheed. I can't break down the genre more than that.

Thank you, yes this is what I was looking for!

Zedhe Khoja posted:

This isn't a nasheed.
e: the one your responding to, not the one you posted.

And confused know I guess, but at least I got the term.


This song loving slaps.

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mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

mcmagic posted:

Any one state solution needs to include everyone in the west bank and gaza.

isnt that what everyone pushing for a one state solution is saying? israel turns into a post civil war america, where the Palestinians are analogous to native americans and black people. so maybe some are on reservations with their own legal control that doesn't mean much , the rest live in israeli cities with israeli citizenship in a jim crow style setup

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

mcmagic posted:

Apartheid South Africa was overthrown. It's not an inevitability.

pretty big difference when the people you’re trying to get rid of are 75%+ of the population (SA) vs around 20% (Israel).

nobody is overthrowing Israel while they’re still fully supported by the US and Israel is totally willing to just assassinate any potential leader that could pose a threat

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Good Citizen posted:

pretty big difference when the people you’re trying to get rid of are 75%+ of the population (SA) vs around 20% (Israel).

nobody is overthrowing Israel while they’re still fully supported by the US and Israel is totally willing to just assassinate any potential leader that could pose a threat

If you include the west bank and gaza you're talking like 52% palestinians. SA was brought down by outside pressure.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Good Citizen posted:

pretty big difference when the people you’re trying to get rid of are 75%+ of the population (SA) vs around 20% (Israel).

nobody is overthrowing Israel while they’re still fully supported by the US and Israel is totally willing to just assassinate any potential leader that could pose a threat

even their own lol

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/AdamMilstein/status/1393282441289240576?s=20

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




censoring lol

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



twitter is finally deplatforming fascists

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The violence always gets worse, and Israelis only ever move towards the right. If Netanyahu leaves office it's not going to be some peacenik who replaces him.

There also hasn't been any Palestinian uprisings in Israel since the 2nd intifada, and that's a span of 20 years. So long as Israel doesn't do something absolutely outrageous like attacking Al-Aqsa worshippers on Ramadan, Arab citizens of Israel have more incentive not to rebel. Especially if rising up means they're gonna get kristallnacht'd. Israel is going to be a lot more resilient than any of us would like. Even if it comes to the absolutely worst case scenario, Arabs are only 20% of the population in Israel proper and they could always try a second Nakba before they give up on the Jewish ethnostate.

It's honestly crazy that Bibi is the moderate voice of the right in Israel

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin
There has to be a breaking point or a status shift at some point. Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth and you can't just disappear a million people. Syria has been destabilizing the whole region for a decade and this would be a disaster magnitudes worse. I doubt a positive outcome is possible but I don't think any senario ends with the death of all Palestinians

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Mayor Dave posted:

It's honestly crazy that Bibi is the moderate voice of the right in Israel

Bibi is exactly as moderate or extreme as he needs to be to continue his graft and remain unpunished for it. I doubt he gives much of a poo poo about ideology

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Terminal autist posted:

There has to be a breaking point or a status shift at some point. Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth and you can't just disappear a million people. Syria has been destabilizing the whole region for a decade and this would be a disaster magnitudes worse. I doubt a positive outcome is possible but I don't think any senario ends with the death of all Palestinians

Gaza is already an open air concentration camp and the people there are no serious issue to the Israelis. More important issue is pushing the remaining arabs in israel into those existing camps or just generally elsewhere.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Gaza is literally warehousing for the palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from Israel and the west bank. Before the nakba, it was not the third most densely populated polity on the planet like it is now.

And like any concentration camp, it is deliberately left in a condition that will slowly kill the inhabitants
The major bombing campaigns are just a way to make sure it never develops enough infrastructure to support a life of dignity free of malnutrition, poison water, deep psychological trauma and PTSD for the captive population.

You know, like a nazi ghetto but on a gigantic scale

Israel would kill every inhabitant of gaza all at once if they thought they could get away with it, and it's seeming more and more like they think that is the case

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1393237332439011329?s=20

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1391476363572416518

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Adrian Zenz is deeply suspicious of any claims of crimes against of humanity that have more than one source.

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1393234576659697672?s=20

my babby's first politics book a long time ago was Failed States by Chomsky and even though I hate him now, he made a good point about the only end point here being Israel formally becoming a totalitarian regime. I think with the overall consolidation of capital between finance and the mic they can finally achieve their dream

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


IDF confirmed
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1393278025341542411?s=20

again, like the Lebanese launches from yesterday, probably independent militants launching symbolic strikes

but it'd be funny if Syria took another shot at Dimona

https://twitter.com/evacool_/status/1385662686181142529?s=20

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
chomsky is the only exception to the voting for biden = drop dead rule

chomsky has always been good and he remains good

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcGTjAFGjk

This clip cuts out the start of the question Mandela got, but it was something like "Those of us who share your values and fight against the apartheid regime have been disappointed with the people you support and ally with (Cuba, Libya, Palestine), would you want any of their leaders to become president of South Africa?". And Mandela just goes off.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
saw this somewhere, can anyone verify?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Grimson posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcGTjAFGjk

This clip cuts out the start of the question Mandela got, but it was something like "Those of us who share your values and fight against the apartheid regime have been disappointed with the people you support and ally with (Cuba, Libya, Palestine), would you want any of their leaders to become president of South Africa?". And Mandela just goes off.


Thanks I thought that clip was part of this thread but apparently it was not. The other banger in that thread is Kwame Ture talking about israel.

https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1390986549836328967

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



paul_soccer12 posted:

theres some other way to post?

you okay dude

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



Calico Heart posted:

Just beat a game of Civ VI as (a modded) Palestine. Am doing my part!

naw, protect yourself first.

Rabid Snake has issued a correction as of 22:12 on May 14, 2021

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

paul_soccer12 posted:

chomsky is the only exception to the voting for biden = drop dead rule

chomsky has always been good and he remains good

He'll probably be better when he dies and stops encouraging people to vote for biden imo

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Rabid Snake posted:

you okay dude

thanks. you okay too :)

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
chomskys done more for global leftism than every poster in cspam combined

i hate seeing him tell people to vote for biden but hes still a saint in my book

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/Intel_Sky/status/1393288686993821700?s=20
https://twitter.com/LocalFocus1/status/1393291170676191235?s=20

More on the fatah info

Maybe just a local wing?

Pooky
Aug 29, 2004

I post fox news so u don't have to 💋
https://twitter.com/LocalFocus1/status/1393307313956655105

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

oh poo poo

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

paul_soccer12 posted:

chomskys done more for global leftism than every poster in cspam combined

i hate seeing him tell people to vote for biden but hes still a saint in my book

He can do even more by going away.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
thanks for your input i respectfully disregard it

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
I can't imagine Fatah actually coming out to fight but maybe Palestinians getting run out of town and lynched throughout Israel was actually a bridge too far and they decided to go for it?

Suggests a certain commitment to their ideals that I didn't think they possessed anymore.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

paul_soccer12 posted:

chomskys done more for global leftism than every poster in cspam combined

i hate seeing him tell people to vote for biden but hes still a saint in my book

chomsky's politics suck rear end and he's an infinitely shittier version of michael parenti

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china

paul_soccer12 posted:

chomskys done more for global leftism than every poster in cspam combined

i hate seeing him tell people to vote for biden but hes still a saint in my book

it's tough, bc he caused a big shift in my thinking when I was just starting to get my bearings, but he also contradicts himself when things start to get real, which feels like a betrayal whenever it happens

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
whatever im not getting rid of my bodypillow

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://twitter.com/Intel_Sky/status/1393288686993821700

https://twitter.com/LocalFocus1/status/1393291170676191235

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Zeroisanumber posted:

I can't imagine Fatah actually coming out to fight but maybe Palestinians getting run out of town and lynched throughout Israel was actually a bridge too far and they decided to go for it?

Suggests a certain commitment to their ideals that I didn't think they possessed anymore.

so far all we've seen is men running around holding flags and guns miles away from any actual fighting

we'll have to wait and see if they actually do anything, or if they spend the entire conflict conveniently being wherever the armed settler mobs aren't

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
i kinda like chomskys new look as like the king of rohan possessed by sauruman or whatever

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/ibxahim_/status/1393018817811464202

Hindu fascists are so pathetic

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