Melthir posted:Shootings that involve multiple armed people who shoot at other groups aren't really a good metric to try and throw in if your trying to figureout what makes this poo poo happen. It also allows conservatives to try to target minorities due to it often happening in impoverished areas and gang territory. see the narrative that constantly pops up on social media about gangs causing the problems while everyone else is a law abiding citizen. Republicans don’t need a narrative to blame black peoples for anything. They’ll do it anyway. A mass shooting is a mass shooting is a masa shooting.
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That ACE stuff would explain I believe every single veteran in my family.
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I'm dealing with the very issue at the moment. Also, this jives with my service. Every dude I saw who had acquitted themselves well in contact were all kids with hosed up childhoods. E- no one has a link or article to that report, do they? bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 21:36 on May 14, 2021 |
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boop the snoot posted:Republicans don’t need a narrative to blame black peoples for anything. They’ll do it anyway. A mass shooting is a mass shooting is a masa shooting. For sure, the GOP will always point to black people, or minorities of any kind, for any evil they see. But "mass shooting is a mass shooting is a mass shooting"? They're really not. Unless your end goal is "ban all guns." There's a huge difference between a guy coming into a black church and murdering people, or a a guy going into his former workplace and opening fire, and a gang turf scuffle where 3 innocent people get shot in the crossfire. There's a big difference in attempting ways to reduce, say, gang violence in general and drive-bys where innocents are caught in the crossfire, than how to reduce actual active shooter mass shootings. Ending the drug war, instituting M4A including mental healthcare, revitalizing our cities, investing in universal pre-K and educating our kids, ending the militarization of police and reforming all police to have national standards and accountability, ending private prisons, and giving people a UBI would be way more effective at reducing gang and street level violence. It'd also actually be effective, unlike "assault weapon bans" and other idiotic gun control laws. For sure the above would also work a great deal at reducing workplace shootings, deranged assholes, domestics, and typical mass shooters, but it would by no means eliminate them. And we'll still have right wing terror shootings. Unfortunately I don't think those will ever stop, even with heavy DOJ and FBI scrutiny on those fuckers. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 21:46 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 21:43
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Platystemon posted:That’s a number that’s like "wait is that even mathematically possible given the nature of the growth function”? Dumb lurker here - what does that mean? Is it that the rate at which it goes through people, assuming individuals can't be reinfected, is too slow to hit 25% of people infected on the way to 100% of people having been infected? e: Not looking to litigate Covid or epidimology, literally don't know what a growth function is.
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Bored As gently caress posted:
I’m sure the victims feel the same way. I’m being serious. They’re dead. They all feel the same way as each other. Fill this in for me to help me understand your point between dead people here and dead people there: it only counts as a mass shooting when ______________. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 21:56 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 21:54
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boop the snoot posted:it only counts as a mass shooting when ______________. Thoughts and prayers are enough for the American public, anything more egregious is probably some sort of invasion.
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May 14, 2021 22:01
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it's only a mass shooting when there's absolutely no opening for the tragedy-cleansing daylight of just world fallacy to wash over the victims
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May 14, 2021 22:04
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boop the snoot posted:I’m sure the victims feel the same way. I understand what you're saying, and I get it. I probably seem like a pedantic rear end in a top hat. But to treat a disease, you have to diagnose it, right? Go treat a wound, you have to correctly assess / evaluate it, right? All I'm saying is that there are multiple types of violence that can occur that qualify as a mass shooting (usually defined as 4 or more people shot dead from a single event, according to the FBI) - domestics, gang violence, terrorism, racism/terrorism, workplace, or random/deranged. And some legislation won't affect one or more of those categories, while other legislation would hopefully effect more of those categories. Just saying "universal background checks" won't solve the issue, nor will an "assault weapons ban." The ways I posted in my post above would do more to reduce violence, including mass shootings, than any gun control law would ever hope to do.
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May 14, 2021 22:07
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boop the snoot posted:I’m sure the victims feel the same way. I think you're talking past each other. The point is that different circumstances require different policies to effectively address, unless what you're advocating for is abolishing private gun ownership in the US as the solution to all violent crime. In and of itself, that's not a dishonest position to take, but if that's what you're advocating for, then by all means advance it here. edit: ^^^ yeah that
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Bored As gently caress posted:The ways I posted in my post above would do more to reduce violence, including mass shootings, than any gun control law would ever hope to do. How can you be so sure about this? Has it ever been seriously tried in the US so that you can make this definitive statement? Australia did nothing all that different before and after 1996 other than comprehensive gun control, and saw an immediately significant and sustained decrease in gun deaths as a result. "Gun control doesn't work" is just an American truism that ignores actual comparative data. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 22:13
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The 2A precludes any meaningful gun control from ever being implemented and we're closer to the GOP getting to call a Constitutional Convention than the 2A going away.
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Bored As gently caress posted:I understand what you're saying, and I get it. I probably seem like a pedantic rear end in a top hat. I’ll admit I’m speaking completely out of frustration so we are probably talking past each other.
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May 14, 2021 22:20
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boop the snoot posted:I’ll admit I’m speaking completely out of frustration so we are probably talking past each other. I think we might be. I'm not working on a whole lot of sleep so I'm being less articulate than usual and even more stupid than I normally am, so that's my bad. My apologies if I came off abrasive or like a dick head.
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May 14, 2021 22:24
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I love that people here can go from nuclear to calm in the span of three posts. Most other places its the other way around and one hell of a one way street. Thanks for being who are guys, it means a lot to have a place like this when I try to make sense of the world and its lovely lovely news.
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May 14, 2021 22:43
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I love this dude's comics because I can't tell if he's a genuine old-school gnostic, mentally ill, terminally poisoned by online, or some purified essence of all of them.
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May 14, 2021 23:02
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In hindsight, he does seems cocainey. https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1393337121063190532 https://twitter.com/SollenbergerRC/status/1393336853827366913
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May 14, 2021 23:50
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I don’t give a poo poo about people paying escorts for sex. Stop demonizing sex work. I give a poo poo that he’s a pedophile.
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May 14, 2021 23:55
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boop the snoot posted:I don’t give a poo poo about people paying escorts for sex. Stop demonizing sex work. It's been covered earlier that a lot of these people Greenberg/Gaetz paid for sex were more or less coerced into it, or at the very least pressured. It's really icky and not just a sex work thing, even if the women were barely over 18. But the article has a bunch of other fun stuff, like Greenberg using county resources to mine bitcoin, Greenberg basically turning the whole thing into a no-show government contract job, and Gaetz expensing the hotel trips to his campaign account. It's bonkers nutso and worth reading even if Gaetz skatez.
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May 15, 2021 00:03
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boop the snoot posted:I don’t give a poo poo about people paying escorts for sex. Stop demonizing sex work. When prostitution or other types of sex work is illegal theres a high potential for abuse so in this context you probably should. Its one thing to go to Nevada or another state where there are nominal protections.
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Fallom posted:Not gonna lie, when I saw "something very bad happening" I thought it would be more than their blog and payment processor going down, followed by DarkSide offering refunds for its customers. I'm super happy with this outcome! DarkSide is essentially a business; this is what non-escalatory punitive response looks like. They will lose a lot of customers over this and probably have to recycle their operation under another name. Now let's do it to all the others, as soon as they pop up, and we might get somewhere.
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boop the snoot posted:I don’t give a poo poo about people paying escorts for sex. Stop demonizing sex work. there is a lot that is objectionable about spending embezzled tax money on prostitutes.
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facialimpediment posted:It's been covered earlier that a lot of these people Greenberg/Gaetz paid for sex were more or less coerced into it, or at the very least pressured. It's really icky and not just a sex work thing, even if the women were barely over 18. He's going to skate into the presidency lol
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Blind Rasputin posted:The military is for all intents and purposes, hiring people with high ACE scores 
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Time Crisis Actor posted:If it makes people feel any better, I read a few Chud forums and even they're getting sick of the constant "BOOM!!" tweets from Chud prognosticators. And not even just Q people - the regular dummies are losing faith in the Arizona recount and various election lawsuits because the booms are always guaranteed duds. https://twitter.com/AndyGrewal/status/1348072426899460102
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What an unbelievable rear end in a top hat. https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1393208622054842368?s=19
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Itchy posted:What an unbelievable rear end in a top hat. She's one of their best fundraisers and: https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1393228869000474629?s=19 A good point made earlier - if she wasn't in Congress, she probably would've been storming the Capitol and would be awaiting charges in jail.
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May 15, 2021 03:49
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Who said elected officials don't represent effectively their constituents
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May 15, 2021 03:52
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Why couldn’t she buy a convertible sportscar like everyone else with a midlife crisis?
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Itchy posted:What an unbelievable rear end in a top hat. Sadly, she is an entirely believable rear end in a top hat.
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Platystemon posted:Why couldn’t she buy a convertible sportscar like everyone else with a midlife crisis? She found worse. Crossfit.
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facialimpediment posted:She's one of their best fundraisers and: wasnt she live tweeting aocs location during that? or was that a different congress person
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ded posted:wasnt she live tweeting aocs location during that? or was that a different congress person I think that was Boebert. Another idiot I'd love to see wrapped up in the 1/6 investigation.
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So was the entire plan for dealing with the seditious members of Congress to let their constituents realize they're totally uncool and vote them out?
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maffew buildings posted:So was the entire plan for dealing with the seditious members of Congress to let their constituents realize they're totally uncool and vote them out? The plan was for them to succeed
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Milo and POTUS posted:The plan was for them to
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That’s an interesting perspective on the ACE thing and SEALs. There’s definitely something to that. I went through a pretty good chunk of BUD/S and while the mast majority of the people are from relatively privileged backgrounds it seems like they were running from something, and after talking to a few fiends that both “made it” and didn’t make it I think all of us have insane anxiety issues. You have to be running from something to want to stay on the mental razors edge you have to be. I didn’t realize just how hosed my mental state was until I quit and decompressed for a couple days. I only did it for a year I can’t imagine doing it for 2 and a half and then going to war over and over. It’s basically designed to find anxiety ridden type A people and turn them into death squads to be set loose in the third world. Also PED use is basically a given, half my class was on something and all but a few of the officers were juiced. See: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/4/16/18251646/modern-monetary-theory-new-moment-explained [/quote] Thanks!
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Spec ops selection is mainly about psychological resilience so I could see childhood trauma helping to prepare for it. Spec ops itself is pretty close to an abusive family. You have to hang out in confined spaces with people who hate each other and the low ranking guys get hosed with all day while not being legally able to say no to anything their superiors say while the superiors just gently caress with them for fun. "It happened to us so it's gonna happen to you" was something that I heard multiple times. Combat is actually a welcome break from it all since the jagged alliance of assholes finally all get pointed at a common enemy.
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This is all combat arms. In spite of getting shot at, blown up, RPGs shot at us, IEDs, and one attempt at overthrowing our COP, we still said the 1SGT and CO were our biggest enemies on deployment. And we were only kind of kidding.
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